The Parthenogenesis of Madam Mary - Spelling corrected by LatinasAreTheFuture, Thanks

[LucyZhang]

Have you ever wondered if the Virgin Mary was an exceptionally rare case of parthenogenesis?

Some might even say the chances of mammalian pathogenesis happening without artificial intervention would be a "miracle." In modern times, to imply rationality and ensure the exclusion of divinity for any inexplicably rare occurrence, we would call it a "medical miracle."

I don't know what it would be, I'm probably not Jesus Christ. I've come to accept that.

What do you think?

 

[El Gato Grande]

No matter what happened in the desert 2,000 years ago the moral and ethical teachings of Christianity are still correct and worth following.

 

[LucyZhang]

No matter what happened in the desert 2,000 years ago the moral and ethical teachings of Christianity are still correct and worth following.

Except bacon right? That's from the old book 3,400 years ago. 3,400 - 2,000 = Bacon? Bacon is mans best artery clogger. Imagine how many carbon footprints have been affected thanks to bacon. It tastes great on a BLT, hamburger, and with fried eggs, but lubes the body and soul with grease to be fucked by Satan himself in the afterlife.

 

[Thomas Talus]

No, because parthenogenesis does not produce male offspring.

 

[LatinasAreTheFuture]

It’s ParthENogenesis. Holy fuck.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

It's ridiculous trying to argue for a near impossible occurrence as an alternative for divinity. You could just argue it being god doing his actions through natural means.
But this raises the question where the Y chromosome came from

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

It's a bunch of cope made up by early Christians that the Virgin Mary wasn't so virginal after all since Jesus's real father was a Roman soldier named Tiberius Julius Abdes Pantera and Mary's parents hastily married her off to some old dude they knew named Joseph. But everyone knew who Jesus's real father was (that's why we know who Tiberius Pantera was) and that made little Jesus sad and turned him into some dude who thought he was the Messiah.

 

[LucyZhang]

It’s ParthENogenesis. Holy fuck.

I corrected spelling and gave you proper credit in the subtitle. Not sure if that's proper, but I tried.

But this raises the question where the Y chromosome came from

Do you want the short answer or the long answer?

Short answer, some fucked up shit happened. Long answer?

Maybe they had Ovotesticular Disorder of Sex Development or something where they had both ovaries and testies? I've read about people (and knew just one) who was born with a twin inside them or a part of one and lived with them like that their whole life.

Some really strange stuff has happened out there. Again, I'm no expert on ovotestitular disorder or fetus in fetu syndrome. This is just a thought experiment to bring a one-to-infinity chance of something happening to rationality. Finding "logical" albeit rare explanations to supernatural events.

Growing up I always heard "zebras and horses can't mate" among a few other statements that had a supposed consensus and were later proven wrong. I think this idea of Virgin Mary parthenogenesis has an exceptionally low chance of being correct... So low in fact I think an atheist may be more willing to believe Divine Intervention was more likely than parthenogenesis. Now we have 3 options, 1 Divine Intervention, 2 Medical Miracle, or 3 it didn't happen. I personally partake in divine intervention at the moment. Any other options?


It's interesting... Like the topic - Did humans ever hibernate? The general consensus is no, but I think most mammals ancestors hibernated. There's even one wild dog left that still hibernates, however supposedly it quickly "loses the ability to hibernate" after a short while of domestication. That's a different topic altogether, but some people think humans can still hibernate, even if sometimes it get s a little crazy. The limits of human ability are often hinged on scientific supposition.

Thanks for participating in this thought experiment kind ladies and gentlemen.

 

[Sailor Kim Jong Moon]

If (BIG IF) it occurs in a human, I can only assume the resulting embryo would either not be viable or would be a genetic abomination that would die quickly. Interesting, autistic thought though.

 

[LucyZhang]

No, because parthenogenesis does not produce male offspring.

I thought that too for years. Most articles talking about it only mention species where only females are produced, however; there are multiple variations of parthenogenesis including, but likely not limited to thelytoky, deuterotoky and arrhenotoky.

Further detail:
"Several types of parthenogenesis occur sporadically throughout the animal kingdom. Some of them are characteristic of whole groups while others are found isolated, in single species. On the basis of the life cycle me may distinguish three main types: thelytoky, where no males occur at all (or only as rare, non-functional anomalies); haplo-diploidy, where females arise from fertilized eggs, males from unfertilized ones; and heterogony, where there is some kind of alternation of sexual and parthenogenetic generations."

"Approximately 1500 thelytokous species of animals have been recorded. Since there are now approximately 1,500,000 described species of animals, that represents about 1 species per 1000. " (Chromosomal Mechanisms in Animal Reproduction, 1984)

Offspring of either sex can be produced although it's normally in insects, reptiles, fish, etc (e.g. not mammals).


I might as well go back to Giorgio Tsoukalos or David Icke at this point. I'm not suggesting Jesus was a Reptilian yet lol, but there's probably a theory for that. Just exploring outer-limits of known and rare reality a bit. As mentioned, I'm a believer in divinity, a coper, etc. I'm not trying to denigrate, merely explore, fluttering between the reality of the known and unknown.

Thank you for participating good sir or madam.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

No
It’s much more plausible that the jews just took the very old and tired cliche of virgin births for their newest super special messiah.

 

[Brahma]

Virg

It's a bunch of cope made up by early Christians that the Virgin Mary wasn't so virginal after all since Jesus's real father was a Roman soldier named Tiberius Julius Abdes Pantera and Mary's parents hastily married her off to some old dude they knew named Joseph. But everyone knew who Jesus's real father was (that's why we know who Tiberius Pantera was) and that made little Jesus sad and turned him into some dude who thought he was the Messiah

Virgin birth was a popular trope back then. Mithras was born of a Virgin mother too

 

[Thomas Talus]

I thought that too for years. Most articles talking about it only mention species where only females are produced, however; there are multiple variations of parthenogenesis including, but likely not limited to thelytoky, deuterotoky and arrhenotoky.

Further detail:
"Several types of parthenogenesis occur sporadically throughout the animal kingdom. Some of them are characteristic of whole groups while others are found isolated, in single species. On the basis of the life cycle me may distinguish three main types: thelytoky, where no males occur at all (or only as rare, non-functional anomalies); haplo-diploidy, where females arise from fertilized eggs, males from unfertilized ones; and heterogony, where there is some kind of alternation of sexual and parthenogenetic generations."

"Approximately 1500 thelytokous species of animals have been recorded. Since there are now approximately 1,500,000 described species of animals, that represents about 1 species per 1000. " (Chromosomal Mechanisms in Animal Reproduction, 1984)

Offspring of either sex can be produced although it's normally in insects, reptiles, fish, etc (e.g. not mammals).

Species that use X & Y chromosomes will not produce male offspring, even when you mechanically induce parthenogenesis in the lab (which typically leads to severe genetic abnormalities that result in a teratoma). Examples like Kaguya the mouse (female, obv) don't really count for this argument because a) not male and b) still used genetic material from 2 donors rather than just one.

 

[DyingStarsForever]

The limitations of the material cosmos does not apply to Pleroma, from which the Messenger of Light, Yeshua, originated. The Demiurge very much intentionally designed flesh with all its trappings and limitations exactly to keep us from seeing beyond it to our divine nature.

You will not achieve gnosis by attempting to reconcile natural science with Abrahamist christianity this way, it's a fool's errand.

 

[LucyZhang]

The limitations of the material cosmos does not apply to Pleroma, from which the Messenger of Light, Yeshua, originated. The Demiurge very much intentionally designed flesh with all its trappings and limitations exactly to keep us from seeing beyond it to our divine nature.

You will not achieve gnosis by attempting to reconcile natural science with Abrahamist christianity this way, it's a fool's errand.

It's just interesting to explore. Regarding Yeshua from the Pleroma, the demiurge could've just as well formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man become a living soul. (I read that somewhere before).

Somehow divine impregnation is equally interesting as the replies going from one extreme to the other. This is where the juice is at and it is bitter sweet indeed!