The Windows OS Thread - Formerly THE OS for gamers and normies, now sadly ruined by Pajeets

[The Ugly One]

Its not even a bad PC but its also nowhere near worth $1k

That's just what PCs cost now.

I upgraded from a 6650xt to a 6750xt and its not bad at all but also kind of deliberately gimped at the advertised 1080p resolution so I had to use a 1440p card for 1080p native

You can't get a new-in-box 6750xt at retail for less than $800 now.

You can get a used 6750xt on ebay

You can't compare old parts with years of use to new parts with valid warranties.

 

[SchizoDaemon]

You can't compare old parts with years of use to new parts with valid warranties.

Yes you can. People often do this while making purchasing decisions.

 

[United Abominations]

Yes you can. People often do this while making purchasing decisions.

Often you may need to replace thermal paste on the GPU if its dried or replace worn out fans and that is the only thing you should watch out for, otherwise the chip itself is usually fine

 

[The Ugly One]

Yes you can. People often do this while making purchasing decisions.

If you're going to say you can get a better PC than a PS5 for a cheaper price, and then you start showing me used prices on ebay, you need to compare to the price of a used PS5 from ebay, not a new one from retail. You can pick up a used PS5 of ebay for about $300. The cheapest used gaming PC with a 6650 XT in it I could find was $550 (Cyberpower is terrible, too).




$550 is a bigger number than $300.

 

[SchizoDaemon]

If you're going to say you can get a better PC than a PS5, and then you start showing me used prices, you need to compare to the price of a used PS5, not a new one.

I didn't make any of those comparisons. Even if I did, showing that you can build a good PC buy using good second parts where it makes sense is totally valid.

$550 is a bigger number than $300.

You can buy like 3-4 new PS5 games and the price disparity is gone. Steam and other store fronts on PC have massive discounts like pretty once a quarter.
The comparison you are making is asinine even if I accept your restriction of only comparing used equipment to used equipment.

EDIT: I just realised the listing of the console you posted is potentially broken or has a broken controller. A replacement controller is $50-80.

This of course ignores that:

• I can do a lot more on a PC than just play games.
• You also have access to a far larger gaming library than a PS5.
• You can run emulators and play almost all your old console games on PC.
• You can buy like new equipment for like 75% of the PC and then you can say have a video card, the PSU, the case is reused/second hand. (I literally did this on my last build).

Pretending that you can't factor these in when making a purchasing decision is asinine.

 

[The Ugly One]

Even if I did, showing that you can build a good PC buy using good second parts where it makes sense is totally valid.

Read the discussion before replying, then. This discussion started with somebody claiming you can build a more powerful PC than a PS5 for less money. I have shown this is not true. Which is better for downloading anime and playing a cracked copy of Quake II is not what the discussion was about.

You can buy like new equipment for like 75% of the PC and then you can say have a video card, the PSU, the case is reused/second hand. (I literally did this on my last build).

You can buy a used PS5 and a new controller.

 

[SchizoDaemon]

Read the discussion before replying, then. This discussion started with somebody claiming you can build a more powerful PC than a PS5 for less money.

I did. I still wasn't the one making the claim. The point being made to you by me is that a PC is generally better value over its lifetime compared to a console.

The PS5 is generally a dogshit console (I've owned one BTW and sold it), I don't think the latest incarnation of the Xbox is any better either.
I think a PS5 is a bad buy, even if it is significantly cheaper. I've owned every PlayStation, and it is the worst one by far.

I have shown this is not true. Which is better for downloading anime and playing a cracked copy of Quake II is not what the discussion was about.

The only thing you've shown that you don't understand what a the value proposition of buying a PC vs a Console.

Even if I did take your Ebay listing examples, once you factor in a few games (you can't really use it without those) and some peripherals. They are actually roughly the same price. So even in your cherry-picked example, it actually proves the opposite.

Gaming is much more than playing the latest slop shitting out by the mega-corpos. A PC is much more than just being able to play games. You can literally do whatever you want on it.

You can buy a used PS5 and a new controller.

This isn't remotely the same thing. I think you know that though. You are obviously being argumentative for the sake of it.

 

[United Abominations]

I did. I still wasn't the one making the claim. The point being made to you is that a PC is generally better value over its lifetime compared to a console.

The PS5 is generally a dogshit console (I've owned one BTW and sold it), I don't think the latest incarnation of the Xbox is any better.
I think a PS5 is a bad buy, even if it is significantly cheaper. I've owned every PlayStation, and it is the worst one by far.

The only thing you've shown that you don't understand what a the value proposition of buying a PC vs a Console.

Even if I did take your Ebay listing examples, once you factor in a few games (you can't really use it without those) and some peripherals. They are actually roughly the same price. So even in your cherry-picked example, it actually proves the opposite.

Gaming is much more than playing the latest slop shitting out by the mega-corpos. A PC is much more than just being able to play games. You can literally do whatever you want on it.

This isn't remotely the same thing. I think you know that though. You are obviously being argumentative for the sake of it.

Another point I love about PC is the ability to drop the resolution and play at reduced settings below those of the console versions even on a high end rig for better performance

Since 2016 low or medium settings have basically looked the same as Ultra settings so you can get an old flagship like a 1080 ti or a 2080 ti for cheap and get stupidly good FPS if you just turn down the sliders

Monitors also have integer scaling for lower resolutions than native so playing at below native on a monitor will look better than most corpos and consoomers let on, like 1080p is a scalar of 4K so 1080p on a 4K screen will actually look very clean and clear

I noticed this in Sekiro that low looks about the same as max sans maybe the shadows and Sekiro ran great on my old RX 480 at high settings, so low with shadows turned up was my go to back then

2kliksphilip had the "Ultra settings suck" video about this and my one friend has a GTX 1660 and just won't upgrade because a mix of low and medium at 60fps is enough for him


The IEEE has even stated that the percieved quality from 1080p to 4k is minimal and the law of diminishing returns applies

 

[SchizoDaemon]

It is 100% diminishing returns. I was running some games from 2013-2015 and they still looked pretty good.
I can run a game like Burnout 3/4 on a emulator and basically scale up all the graphics and it looks not far off from more modern title.
The biggest improvements over the the last ten years is often facial animations and often we see that game studios never get that quite right. The best I've seen was Cyberpunk, the main characters had really good animations compared to a lot of other games. Cyberpunk is what 6 years old now?

 

[United Abominations]

It is 100% diminishing returns. I was running some games from 2013-2015 and they still looked pretty good.
I can run a game like Burnout 3/4 on a emulator and basically scale up all the graphics and it looks not far off from more modern title.
The biggest improvements over the the last ten years is often facial animations and often we see that game studios never get that quite right. Cyberpunk the main characters had really good animations compared to a lot of other games. Cyberpunk is what 6 years old now?

With a lot of UE5 games and gaytracing the graphics and physics are actually worse so people are building stronger PCs for a quantitatively worse experience

The power consumption of a modernish midrange card like a 6750 XT is literally the same as an old flagship 2080 ti which implies that games are proportionally more demanding than they used to be for the same class of hardware and people will just consoom more and justify it , the power draw from modern high end cards is fucking insane like a 500w+ RTX 5090 for diminishing returns. The RTX 20 series flagship is still usable today and is a legitimately better card than a 3070 ti from the Vram and bit bus not being gimped to artificially limit its performance.

There are real uses for a 500w GPU, but gaming is not one of them. Nvidia and AMD moved the goalposts on what is entry level, mid range, and high end and idiots will spend $700 on a "mid range" card now when the 1080 ti dropped for that price as a flagship and also had a 250w power draw. An electricity bill is an electricity bill and I will not ever go above a 250w tdp on the principle that old flagships maxed out at 250w

Screen space reflections and rasterized Baked lighting genuinely look better because game devs have to place it and make it look right but raytracing is made for soydevs who want to rush out a product and never see it as a labor of love, like I noticed the reflections are better than raytracing in the Hirata estate playing Sekiro and Hidetaka Miyazaki games are a labor of love

 

[Curry Teafag]

Monitors also have integer scaling for lower resolutions than native so playing at below native on a monitor will look better than most corpos and consoomers let on, like 1080p is a scalar of 4K so 1080p on a 4K screen will actually look very clean and clear

Very few models have that, I think one or two, both made by a shady company from Chy-nah that has repeatedly failed to deliver the goods people had paid for and has changed names a few times instead. Any others have some sort of interpolation going on, like my own LG OLED that has a 1080p mode which interpolates pixels horizontally.

 

[Kiwifarmsname]

With the recent talk of digital I.D and how that’ll lead to a dumbed down, censored internet for the masses, this thread acts as a stark reminder of just what that’ll mean.

A Google search for ‘tenmuses’ just brings up some faggy F1nn-related videos from the time he was donating, and links to some Reddit threads where comments are deleted and those questioning who ‘tenmuses’ is/was are basically told: ‘shut up and don’t ask questions or you’re gone’ by the tranny jannies.

It’s only here, on this glorious antipodean fruit harvesting forum, where the truth of the matter - brilliantly proofed - can be found.

Shit like this is fucking important. There were plenty of kids watching F1nn, in his discords, vulnerable to the fucking disgusting boomer groomer weirdos that seemed to orbit him.

If the powers that be have their way, this sort of thing will get memory holed, the truth rewritten as though this didn’t and doesn’t occur, never able to act as a warning to future parents and future vulnerable teens.

Long live KiwiFarms. No to digital I.D.

I've been thinking of this the last few days because of the PlayStation fiasco. What's the best way to go against digital id that's not Linux? I tried linux and it's shitty. Just going back to Windows 10?

 

[Betonhaus]

I've been thinking of this the last few days because of the PlayStation fiasco. What's the best way to go against digital id that's not Linux? I tried linux and it's shitty. Just going back to Windows 10?

macOS?

 

[Kiwifarmsname]

macOS?

That's even worse.

 

[The Ugly One]

a PC is generally better value over its lifetime compared to a console.

A sheep and a pig are standing next to a scale. Two men are having an argument about which animal heavier. The first man weighs the sheep and the pig and determines the pig is heavier. The town drunk up suddenly staggers up and says, "But you don't understand, the sheep has wool."

The only thing you've shown that you don't understand what a the value proposition of buying a PC vs a Console.

"But our argument wasn't about wool," says the man. "This man claimed the sheep was heavier than the pig, and it clearly is not. I have demonstrated the pig is heavier." The drunk stamps his feet in outrage. "No! You have shown nothing! The argument I want to have is about which animal has better wool!" "This makes no sense," says the man. "I never claimed the pig has wool. Nobody claimed the pig has wool. Nobody is even arguing this point."

This isn't remotely the same thing. I think you know that though. You are obviously being argumentative for the sake of it.

The drunk hiccuped and vomited next to the sheep. "You know I'm right! You just like arguing for the sake of it!" He staggered into a ditch, collapsed, and began urinating on himself. The first two men backed away slowly, glad that the drunk didn't get violent, and proceeded on their way.

 

[Baraka Obama]

I've been thinking of this the last few days because of the PlayStation fiasco. What's the best way to go against digital id that's not Linux? I tried linux and it's shitty. Just going back to Windows 10?

Do you mean the age verification efforts that will inevitably become digital ID?

I'd assume older OSes would be the ticket, and failing that the Windows IoT releases intended for ATMs and point-of-sale devices seem viable indefinitely.

 

[The Ugly One]

The power consumption of a modernish midrange card like a 6750 XT is literally the same as an old flagship 2080 ti

The 2080 Ti is a 12nm chip from 2018. The 6750 XT is a 7nm chip from 2022. That's why the 6750 XT is more power efficient.

The RTX 20 series flagship is still usable today and is a legitimately better card than a 3070 ti from the Vram and bit bus not being gimped to artificially limit its performance

2080 Ti: 11 GB @ 616 GB/s
3070 Ti: 8 GB @ 608.3 GB/s

Really doubt that 7.7 GB/s is making a measurable difference. 3GB extra VRAM probably buys you a bit in some games. Benchmarks suggest the 3070 Ti's better.

 

[Kiwifarmsname]

Do you mean the age verification efforts that will inevitably become digital ID?

I'd assume older OSes would be the ticket, and failing that the Windows IoT releases intended for ATMs and point-of-sale devices seem viable indefinitely.

Yeah I want to browse freely.

 

[SchizoDaemon]

I've been thinking of this the last few days because of the PlayStation fiasco. What's the best way to go against digital id that's not Linux? I tried linux and it's shitty. Just going back to Windows 10?

It is basically Linux, Graphene OS on a Pixel Phone or run a unsupported operating system (with the risks that this entails). Unfortunately many of the more user friendly distros are going down the "Age Declaration" route which opens things up for "Age Verification" later down the line.

 

[Hentai-Semitism]

It is basically Linux, Graphene OS on a Pixel Phone or run a unsupported operating system. Unfortunately many of the more user friendly distros are going down the "Age Declaration" route which opens things up for "Age Verification" later down the line.

Goddam, I want off this ride. 20+ years ago I was worried about governments slowly edging towards tracking absolutely everything and introducing social credit score and 100% cashless systems (those two are the ultimate goal, I think). I'm blackpilled about all this because I see that they're not giving up and there's barely any pushback.