Thoughts on Bills passing that makes Doxing Illegal?

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I’ve read this news post on CNN and this caught my attention.
Last year, Nevada passed a bill that bans doxxing and allows victims to bring a civil action against the perpetrators. In California, cyber harassment including doxxing with the intent to put others and their immediate family in danger can put violators in county jail for up to one year or impose a fine of up to $1,000, or both.
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It seems like there have been bills that passed that made doxing illegal in some US countries probably even more in some countries. However I’m not a lawyer so I’m not sure if any of this will affect KF. But I want to hear thoughts on this.

Link to the CNN news: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/02/07/world/what-is-doxxing-explainer-as-equals-intl-cmd/index.html
 
Layton Mysteries said:
It would be far better to outlaw companies keeping unnecessary customer information and selling personal information, then for states to stop selling or publicising voter information.
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I do think we should have a bill where companies cannot collect personal data and sell it to advertisers and have governments put very important data on physical papers so if hackers do hack their servers there wouldn’t be too much important information stolen. But that’s just my opinion.
 
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I'm surprised it's not already, since we know that the only people who are actually allowed to harvest your information and use it to harass and influence you are corporations and politicians.
 
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Other than directly leaking other people's sensitive information (bank data, SSNs, revenge porn etc) which is already illegal, doxing is akin to compiling and quoting information people have shared about themselves willingly and publicly. This is such a broad category of speech it would be absurd to make it illegal. From there it's just a single step further to make it illegal for whitey to say "nigga" but not for T&H negroes.

Maybe instead we could just teach people opsec and to not share compromising information on the Internet. That includes your real name, address and more. Remember back in the 2000s before Facebook when people would mostly stay anonymous and had the common sense to avoid oversharing? That needs to be brought back.
 
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Cherry Eyed Hamster said:
How can you make it illegal to share information that’s already easily available on the clearweb?
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you cant really, but states can make whatever laws they want, and those laws can be enforced at the state level, but if someone gets charged and decides to take this to the federal level, and the case is heard at a federal court, that's when good ole mister constitution comes in.

Edit: if someone gets charged with this, i can almost guarantee you that it will get appealed to a higher court and overturned.
 
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WTBOnlineFather said:
Other than directly leaking other people's sensitive information (bank data, SSNs, revenge porn etc) which is already illegal, doxing is akin to compiling and quoting information people have shared about themselves willingly and publicly. This is such a broad category of speech it would be absurd to make it illegal. From there it's just a single step further to make it illegal for whitey to say "nigga" but not for T&H negroes
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A lot of publicly available information like street addresses and political party affiliations are usually made available from corporations selling your data online. If the government was actually serious about protecting the privacy of individuals they would outlaw companies scalping data and selling it, but that’s probably not going to happen.
 
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Trying to criminalize republishing readily available information that in many cases is facilitated by telecom companies and tech giants is a fool's errand. As has been pointed out several times, if they wanted to solve the issue, they'd pass robust data protection laws. Not going to happen and we all know why.

Also archive your shit. I'm not giving CNN a click.
 
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I mean they should cure the problem if you want to stop doxing: ban the sale of data. There is a reason Europe has so few cow threads. Fix that, and you have a fair compromise: no more doxing for the price of not having every American in some database.
 
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Cherry Eyed Hamster said:
A lot of publicly available information like street addresses and political party affiliations are usually made available from corporations selling your data online. If the government was actually serious about protecting the privacy of individuals they would outlaw companies scalping data and selling it, but that’s probably not going to happen.
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The information business is thriving right now. Most people do not realize how much of their information is publicly posted without their explicit consent. Without putting a stop to this million-dollar industry, banning doxxxing is legally impotent.
 
everyone else said it best, really. i think that 99 percent of all doxing is finding public information that is readily available. personally, i have never in my life ever used any illegal or dishonest means to find any information, it was available to the public, literally right in plain sight. obviously, in the case of ss numbers and such, that should be a criminal act, but posting some retards address that is already listed on spokeo is hardly a crime.
 
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Cirrhosis_of_Liver said:
Man, is the phone company in trouble now.
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I bought a registered sim card for my car's tracking and alarm thing because I didn't want to bother adding money to a prepaid card every month, and suddenly the phone company published the sim phone number, my full name and address without even asking me. I had to contact them to take the info off the internet. Those niggas doxed me. It was surprising to me because I only used prepaid sims before.
 
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CaliforniaRaisin said:
I'm surprised it's not already, since we know that the only people who are actually allowed to harvest your information and use it to harass and influence you are corporations and politicians.
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This begs the question of whether an LLC with a good social engineering department is allowed to dox.
 
Banquet Meal said:
everyone else said it best, really. i think that 99 percent of all doxing is finding public information that is readily available. personally, i have never in my life ever used any illegal or dishonest means to find any information, it was available to the public, literally right in plain sight. obviously, in the case of ss numbers and such, that should be a criminal act, but posting some retards address that is already listed on spokeo is hardly a crime.
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Just to add on to this point further, the personal information of Alex Spiro who was Elon Musk's lawyer in a defamation case, Alec Baldwin's lawyer in the rust case, and is currently Jimmy Donaldson's lawyer against a potential Dogpack404 case is readily available on Whitepages and probably other databrokers as well. [A]
 
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Asian tech support said:
Trying to criminalize republishing readily available information that in many cases is facilitated by telecom companies and tech giants is a fool's errand. As has been pointed out several times, if they wanted to solve the issue, they'd pass robust data protection laws. Not going to happen and we all know why.

Also archive your shit. I'm not giving CNN a click.
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I’ll post the article on the “Articles & News” Board. I don’t know what tag to use since I’ve never posted an article before. Do I just copy and paste it on the thread?
 
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I’ll post the article on the “Articles & News” Board. I don’t know what tag to use since I’ve never posted an article before. Do I just copy and paste it on the thread?
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The story itself is more than a year old so it's more of a happening than news. I'll admit I didn't check when specifically the bills were passed or when they become/became law. Maybe tag a mod and see if they'll move this to Happenings.

As for the article itself, I'd just make sure that whatever is pasted is formatted to be readable and any links work.
 
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