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It feels like we're closer to WW3 than we've ever been before in human history, so whats your take on the likelihood or the outcome of nuclear war?
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Its not about being a doomer its about being mentally prepared, having a plan, etc etc. Its a matter of survival. Having a pistol or rifle, gasoline, canned food, a tent, etc etc are easy steps you can take. I don't want my family to die. You do the best you can under the given circumstances.Well technically every day we are closer to an event that hasn't happened yet. Today we are also closer to the sun exploding than ever before in human history, but I'm not going to get all doomer about that either.
It wouldn't work where I live, but in a lot of areas of the US just having a gun is enough. You can use that leverage to get all the food, fuel, and pussy you want.Its not about being a doomer its about being mentally prepared, having a plan, etc etc. Its a matter of survival. Having a pistol or rifle, gasoline, canned food, a tent, etc etc are easy steps you can take. I don't want my family to die. You do the best you can under the given circumstances.
Russia has a shit ton of ICBMs laying around that were designed and built in the glory days of the cold war. We do too. Sure you have to insert a 5.25" floppy disk into the computers to make them fire, but our arsenal is about the same. We also have all of these detection systems left over from the cold war. If the Ruskies so much as get a rocket to exit a silo we will ensure that half of the world is nuked to shit even if their rocket only crashes down and fizzles out. It's the thought that counts. Anyways, if any major power even attempts to fire a nuclear anything we are looking at nuclear winter and the death of this planet.Likelihood of a nuclear conflict is slim to none and after Russia's performance in Ukraine I have serious doubts about their claimed nuclear capabilities in a shooting war with NATO. I'd be more concerned about China's capabilities but then I remember that this is the height of Chinese military might.
Edit: By nuclear conflict I mean MAD.
ICBMs require regular maintenance and based on the condition of Russia's armor stockpiles I'm willing to bet those nukes haven't seen a maintenance crew since the '80s.Russia has a shit ton of ICBMs laying around that were designed and built in the glory days of the cold war.
Nuclear winter is a meme that was, according to a KGB defector, started by the KGB to scare the US out of a nuclear exchange.Anyways, if any major power even attempts to fire a nuclear anything we are looking at nuclear winter and the death of this planet.
I get it. The Ukrainian war has shown that Russia is lacking in hardware and logistics as far as ground warfare is concerned. ICBMs are a whole other story. They were built in a time where Russia was starving their citizens to build the utmost nuclear power. Don't forget that Russia set off the biggest nuclear explosion ever. They also decided to scale it back from their original intention. ICBMs use solid fuel and are just fine hanging out in a silo for decades. It's like buying WW2 surplus ammo like we did in the 90's when it was still abundant. 9 out of 10 rounds popped off just fine. They were built with the utmost of technology for their time and if Gleb (yes that's a actual Ruskie name) gets the order to send one off he will push his big tan buttons insert his actual key and turn it on time with Yefim and It will likely at least leave the silo. We know where their super secret silos are just like they know where ours are. If one of our super secret satellites that Elon launched up detects so much as a rat's fart coming from one of those silos it's over.ICBMs require regular maintenance and based on the condition of Russia's armor stockpiles I'm willing to bet those nukes haven't seen a maintenance crew since the '80s.
I'm sure the CIA didn't require that statement in order for him to defect. Even if nuclear winter is only propaganda, between the US and Russia we have enough weapons to destroy this planet a couple of times over. I'd also consult a scientist on that non nuclear winter happening thing and I'd also consult Girls' Last Stand the anime. It's wonderful.Nuclear winter is a meme that was, according to a KGB defector, started by the KGB to scare the US out of a nuclear exchange.
I get it. The Ukrainian war has shown that Russia is lacking in hardware and logistics as far as ground warfare is concerned. ICBMs are a whole other story. They were built in a time where Russia was starving their citizens to build the utmost nuclear power. Don't forget that Russia set off the biggest nuclear explosion ever. They also decided to scale it back from their original intention. ICBMs use solid fuel and are just fine hanging out in a silo for decades. It's like buying WW2 surplus ammo like we did in the 90's when it was still abundant. 9 out of 10 rounds popped off just fine. They were built with the utmost of technology for their time and if Gleb (yes that's a actual Ruskie name) gets the order to send one off he will push his big tan buttons insert his actual key and turn it on time with Yefim and It will likely at least leave the silo. We know where their super secret silos are just like they know where ours are. If one of our super secret satellites that Elon launched up detects so much as a rat's fart coming from one of those silos it's over.
I'm sure the CIA didn't require that statement in order for him to defect. Even if nuclear winter is only propaganda, between the US and Russia we have enough weapons to destroy this planet a couple of times over. I'd also consult a scientist on that non nuclear winter happening thing and I'd also consult Girls' Last Stand the anime. It's wonderful.
I'm not denying that a detected launch would lead to everyone dumping their nukes; I'm doubting the ready state of Russia's nuclear arsenal. A large portion of the Russian nuclear arsenal is liquid fueled and requires active maintenance, however, Russia's MIC seems to have an aversion to regular and quality maintenance.I get it. The Ukrainian war has shown that Russia is lacking in hardware and logistics as far as ground warfare is concerned. ICBMs are a whole other story. They were built in a time where Russia was starving their citizens to build the utmost nuclear power. Don't forget that Russia set off the biggest nuclear explosion ever. They also decided to scale it back from their original intention. ICBMs use solid fuel and are just fine hanging out in a silo for decades. It's like buying WW2 surplus ammo like we did in the 90's when it was still abundant. 9 out of 10 rounds popped off just fine. They were built with the utmost of technology for their time and if Gleb (yes that's a actual Ruskie name) gets the order to send one off he will push his big tan buttons insert his actual key and turn it on time with Yefim and It will likely at least leave the silo. We know where their super secret silos are just like they know where ours are. If one of our super secret satellites that Elon launched up detects so much as a rat's fart coming from one of those silos it's over.
I personally don't see the US government downplaying nuclear winter, even to blame the KGB, in 2000 when Sergei Tretyakov defected but I will concede it's a possible basis for his claim. As for consulting a scientist; I'm sure no scientist has ever lied or cherry-picked results to receive funding or make a political statement. The theories behind nuclear winter hinge on massive quantities of soot ejected into the stratosphere by firestorm events after nuclear detonation in urban areas; these claims have been disputed by the scientific community since their inception. Don't get me wrong all out nuclear war would be devastating for a lot of people but the original models are heavily flawed and subsequent models have continued to lessen the impact of total nuclear war on global temperatures. Claims that the combined nuclear arsenals of the US and Russia would "destroy this planet a couple of times over" are hyperbolic at best and largely stem from the nuclear panic of the cold war.I'm sure the CIA didn't require that statement in order for him to defect. Even if nuclear winter is only propaganda, between the US and Russia we have enough weapons to destroy this planet a couple of times over. I'd also consult a scientist on that non nuclear winter happening thing and I'd also consult Girls' Last Stand the anime. It's wonderful.
Russia stole a shit ton of it's tech through espionage. If America could do it, Russia would do it bigger. They set off the biggest nuclear explosion ever. I don't even know where tritium comes from because any modern weapon uses plutonium. Tritium is what you use in watch dials and gun sights. Russia was actually first to the hydrogen bomb. We likely stole that science from them. Plutonium has a half life of 87 yearsish. A hydrogen bomb in its heyday was 1000 times as stronk as what we dropped on the japs. It hasn't quite been 87 years since the H bomb was invented but if it is only 500 Hiroshima's that is still pretty devastating. Russia literally starved it's citizens in order to develop this technology. You can't convince me that they haven't put in the minimal effort to provide regular service to their number one deterrent.I would worry about what the powerful will force on Ukraine to appease Putin once that becomes more cost effective than supplying Ukraine arms, or instability from Russia balkanizing if Putin dies or is deposed.
I'd keep an eye out on what Azerbaijan, Turkey, and the region at large end up doing in the event Russia folds.
Ukraine is going to suck hard for a long time after this, no matter how it ends. Don't forget that. I wouldn't worry about nuclear war, though.
Maintaining nuclear weapons requires extremely expensive materials that are far too easy to sell off for profit. Tritium doesn't last forever and is pretty easy to transport, fissile materials 'rot' from decay and require expensive work to re-enrich or replace, other materials do not last indefinitely (high explosives, caustic fuels, and so on) and the doors rust. There's also people fleecing this to sell it off thinking it would never be used or not even wanting it to be used.
Russia uses plenty of liquid fuel ICBMs, by the by. The USA does not.
"Utmost technology" is a meme. Russia never really had great tech. This is known now, was known, but laypeople bought the meme of rugged idiot proof potato-powered whatever. If a nuclear launch order was made I seriously doubt we wouldn't beat them to the punch by sinking their boomers and taking out their silos.
The risk is human suffering, grift, exploitation, and neglect and apathy from those who could help, not world ending confrontation. Tom Clancy wrote fiction, not alternate timelines.
Lets set nuclear winter aside. If the US and Russia each dropped all of their bombs the fallout would make everything on the surface radioactive. I know we have this whole disarmament thing, but we only went from making this planet uninhabitable 1000 times over to 100 times over. I'm not some hammer and sickle nut. I prefer bent crosses myself. If Russia was to so much as get one of their hundreds of ICBMs out of the silos or submarines or whatever the US would respond with full force. If you don't believe in Russia's tech be sure to believe in the US. If just one of their rockets manages to leave a silo and crashes and burns to the ground the US will mount a full on counter attack. It's the thought that counts. Anything of importance in Russia and China will be made flat and the rest of us will die in a few years of radiation poisoning if we are lucky. Nuclear war is probably more grim than you can handle. Get back in Bezos' wagie cagie thinking nothing bad can happen to you if daddy Elon looks after you.I'm not denying that a detected launch would lead to everyone dumping their nukes; I'm doubting the ready state of Russia's nuclear arsenal. A large portion of the Russian nuclear arsenal is liquid fueled and requires active maintenance, however, Russia's MIC seems to have an aversion to regular and quality maintenance.
I personally don't see the US government downplaying nuclear winter, even to blame the KGB, in 2000 when Sergei Tretyakov defected but I will concede it's a possible basis for his claim. As for consulting a scientist; I'm sure no scientist has ever lied or cherry-picked results to receive funding or make a political statement. The theories behind nuclear winter hinge on massive quantities of soot ejected into the stratosphere by firestorm events after nuclear detonation in urban areas; these claims have been disputed by the scientific community since their inception. Don't get me wrong all out nuclear war would be devastating for a lot of people but the original models are heavily flawed and subsequent models have continued to lessen the impact of total nuclear war on global temperatures. Claims that the combined nuclear arsenals of the US and Russia would "destroy this planet a couple of times over" are hyperbolic at best and largely stem from the nuclear panic of the cold war.
TL;DR: Scientists lie, people will die and life will go on.
Keep sucking down the Kremlin Kool-AidRussia stole a shit ton of it's tech through espionage. If America could do it, Russia would do it bigger. They set off the biggest nuclear explosion ever. I don't even know where tritium comes from because any modern weapon uses plutonium. Tritium is what you use in watch dials and gun sights. Russia was actually first to the hydrogen bomb. We likely stole that science from them. Plutonium has a half life of 87 yearsish. A hydrogen bomb in its heyday was 1000 times as stronk as what we dropped on the japs. It hasn't quite been 87 years since the H bomb was invented but if it is only 500 Hiroshima's that is still pretty devastating. Russia literally starved it's citizens in order to develop this technology. You can't convince me that they haven't put in the minimal effort to provide regular service to their number one deterrent.
Lets set nuclear winter aside. If the US and Russia each dropped all of their bombs the fallout would make everything on the surface radioactive. I know we have this whole disarmament thing, but we only went from making this planet uninhabitable 1000 times over to 100 times over. I'm not some hammer and sickle nut. I prefer bent crosses myself. If Russia was to so much as get one of their hundreds of ICBMs out of the silos or submarines or whatever the US would respond with full force. If you don't believe in Russia's tech be sure to believe in the US. If just one of their rockets manages to leave a silo and crashes and burns to the ground the US will mount a full on counter attack. It's the thought that counts. Anything of importance in Russia and China will be made flat and the rest of us will die in a few years of radiation poisoning if we are lucky. Nuclear war is probably more grim than you can handle. Get back in Bezos' wagie cagie thinking nothing bad can happen to you if daddy Elon looks after you.