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[Least Concern]

Small time vtuber Neko Neneka is currently begging for donations on reddit. Source (archive)
The story is, she quit her job about a month ago due to stress from overworking and was subsequently disowned by her parents. She is currently earning 38.,500 Yen with living expenses at 150,000. She's also specifically asking for monthly donations of 500 and up. Seems like she's trying to go full time, not just asking for extra cash because she's in a jam. Thing is, she currently has 1.9k subscribers. Trying to quadruple her earnings while dealing with all that stress seems irrational at best. I might be overthinking this but she seems like a potential trainwreck.

Apparently she explains some of the situation in this video but it's untranslated so I have no idea.

Spoiler: Video

https://youtube.com/watch?v=l8oidtUfEh0

Other fun facts:
She suffers from insomnia, anxiety and depression
Shut in, possible hikki
Did a 65hr stream to celebrate 600 subs
Her avatar has no animation, just a few static expressions

Those facts sure are fun, all right.

It begs the question, though, if someone doesn't have an animated model, are they a "vtuber?" I guess I could see the argument if they're still roleplaying as a character and all that, but as someone who got into all this stuff from the tech angle, my instincts say no, she's just someone talking over a drawing.

Also, as someone who has been in the position of having to choose between a job that I hate but makes money and a job that I'd love to do but would bankrupt me and chose the former, I don't feel very sympathetic. Quitting her job before she could make a livable wage from the streaming thing was not a wise choice. At the least I hope she's searching for another IRL job rather than putting all her eggs in the streaming basket. If she really only needs, let's see, $1451 a month to live, she could probably make that being a fast food wagey or something equally unglamorous and still have a day or two off a week for all-day streams. If the rumors about Mori having a day job as an English teacher are true, then she's making it work.

 

[Takodachi]

Sara's 3D debut

 

[Potatohead]

hardworking tako
going above and beyond the line of duty

also, her Sorairo days sounds great, not sure why she claims to be the worst HoloEN singer when Amelia exists.

It’s an Asian thing, confidence issues are rampant due to conditioning (intentional or otherwise) to live up to your parent’s expectations. So if her singing isn’t 100% perfect, she’s a bad singer. It’s just like how she downplays her nipspeak, Kiara mentioned that she’s around Calli’s level and was surprised that her senpais didn’t know about Ina’s japanese.

I want nothing more in my life right now than a fanart of the roof Koreans replaced with Ina and Ame.

Lurk jp and provide a source image, if a Tako feels generous he’ll do it. There’s a decent number of sketchers in the thread when Ina does a drawing stream.

CN branches or heads of branches in CN going rogue seems to be a bit of a trend. You're all familiar with the CN branch of COVER going a bit rouge which was part of the mess they had.

I STILL don’t know for certain what the fuck the CNs were expecting. Last I heard Artia was still getting harrassed by Nijiniggers in her new life, but I can’t be fucked to keep up with her.

They have created a new server (check comments on the latest video for a link), no direct access to doxx provided, but discussion still allowed.
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Man, you’d think after one takedown they’d be more careful, huh? But no, they add a link to their youtube (Which may have gotten report-bombed, going by jp’s reaction to getting links dropped) and do the exact same thing.

Which is making the faggots at /jp/ touhou boards lose their shit.

Nah, they’re mad because Hololive threads make up 90% of their containment board. Has nothing to do with Waffie, bless her soul.

Apparently A-chan actually keeps in contact with HoloEN. I knew A-chan was fluent in english but it's unclear exactly what her responsibilities were within Hololive.

We know that she and Sora entered Cover together, the likeliest answer is that she’s Sora’s direct manager, maybe even acts as the head manager of overseas branches.

I wonder when, or if, indie vtubers will realize that being a dramatic and political attention whore is actually working against them? Especially if they have hopes of joining Hololive or something.

Are you kidding? They’re Vtubing for the money and attention instead of doing it because they love streaming. They see the gold at the end of the rainbow and think they can skip the rocky road to getting to it.

Bandwagonners are in it for the result, not the process. Actual Vtubers either start off enjoying the process or it gets to that point, they’re never about the money or fame.



Unrelated to the above Calli for whatever reason decided to drop concrete evidence that she’s a jp native in the full gen collab. It was a really fun time watching them faff around in minecraft.

 

[rikochi88]

Hololive EN congratulating their senpais for Beyond the Stage and they're so awkward lmao

https://twitter.com/hololivetv/status/1340265625109757952

 

[TiredCatto]

I wonder when, or if, indie vtubers will realize that being a dramatic and political attention whore is actually working against them? Especially if they have hopes of joining Hololive or something.

A recruiter for an actual agency will take a look at their constant identity politics and shit and likely pass on them, most vtuber fans won't watch them because we just want to watch girls (and some guys) with anime avatars do odd shit. I don't really care what Mori or Amelia think about gays and trans or Republicans and Democrats or some "pedophilia is bad and not very good, ass pats please" grandstanding. This is why I don't really watch indies.

let em be, let their teenager ego kicks in, so it become a filter for us as well enjoying new chuuba that join a company like cover or so. most of those dramatical indie prolly coming from twitter, which already cancerous by default.


also these indie keep thinking saturated that being chuuba = anime avatar, just because the famous one are anime grill or boy, or hecc even clone from the one that already success.

meanwhile some japanese indie decided become hamburger man and a velocaptor. tho thats probably a default avatar from facerig, but at least its easy to remember.

yeah i noticed that. thanks.

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Apparently A-chan actually keeps in contact with HoloEN. I knew A-chan was fluent in english but it's unclear exactly what her responsibilities were within Hololive.

wait. did Kiara accidentally show this, lol. if its following japanese corporate system, maybe A-chan is the boss for ENMA, or probably both helping each other + letting the girls know about game permission or something, esp from japanese game studio which enma may not able ask permission straight away due distance or language i guess

still funny seing enma with that padoru padoru status or something lol

 

[The Burning Giraffe]

This aspiring trans vtuber caught my attention while I was archiving.
Liked someone being a douchebag to sakimichan when she apologized for liking those tweets criticizing BLM.
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someone archived a month ago

https://archive.md/CN5J0

Yeah this is pay dirt right here.

A quick skim shows they're a veteran of the Weeb Wars, ultrasmall anituber, and pre-debut Vtuber that wrote a 5000 word article on how to be a Vtuber.

Spoiler: Social Medias

https://reikan.carrd.co/

https://www.patreon.com/reikan

https://twitter.com/CriticalReikan

https://www.youtube.com/c/criticalreikan

https://www.facebook.com/criticalreikan/

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They basically seem like a Great Value brand Digibro, less pedo, but more troon.

Spoiler: Has shaved since, not much better.

I want to get ahold of that light novel draft, but their following is so small that it would be hard to slip in quietly.

 

[Takodachi]

Yeah this is pay dirt right here.
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A quick skim shows they're a veteran of the Weeb Wars, ultrasmall anituber, and pre-debut Vtuber that wrote a 5000 word article on how to be a Vtuber.

Spoiler: Social Medias

https://reikan.carrd.co/

https://www.patreon.com/reikan

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They basically seem like a Great Value brand Digibro, less pedo, but more troon.

Spoiler: Has shaved since, not much better.

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I want to get ahold of that light novel draft, but their following is so small that it would be hard to slip in quietly.

I read through the entire thing and I feel dumber. This faggot acts like hes some kind of social media maestro which is hilarous because most of his tips is shit anyone who has ever ran a forum/page/shitpost account has known for years.
Fuck, he didn't even go into details about how to abuse SEO, keywords that are most likely to trigger engagement and so on.

 

[Amesame]

Sara's 3D debut

https://youtube.com/watch?v=9lPuJIcGdUM

I don't get this Djing bit at the end, I've never watched a Nijisanji 3D is this normal? I Imagine most would just prefer her to sing shit instead right?

 

[TiredCatto]

Sara's 3D debut

https://youtube.com/watch?v=9lPuJIcGdUM

so idk much about her, but try to take a peek her 3D Stream, and just come at this moment

Spoiler: Sara

is it supposed to be her? is it like a meme she embrace herself? and why there YAGOO in the background as well when she from Niji, i really confused

 

[callacall]

 

[Potatohead]

Yeah this is pay dirt right here.
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A quick skim shows they're a veteran of the Weeb Wars, ultrasmall anituber, and pre-debut Vtuber that wrote a 5000 word article on how to be a Vtuber.

Spoiler: Social Medias

https://reikan.carrd.co/

https://www.patreon.com/reikan

https://twitter.com/CriticalReikan

https://www.youtube.com/c/criticalreikan

https://www.facebook.com/criticalreikan/

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They basically seem like a Great Value brand Digibro, less pedo, but more troon.

Spoiler: Has shaved since, not much better.

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I want to get ahold of that light novel draft, but their following is so small that it would be hard to slip in quietly.

This shit? This sort of person is what people were afraid of when Cover announced auditions for HoloEN. I am so, so glad that it’s not what we got. There’s Calli’s endearing cringe, and there’s physical reaction cringe, then there’s whatever the fuck that thing is.

 

[The One And Only SALTE]

Hololivers probably working at hololive as stepping stone for bigger career / making something our for yourself without having to degrade yourself online/offline.
Those fuckfaces in ENvtuber scene are simply "joining in on the fad" as you can probably see with a lot of TBA debut horseshit and think that it's their god's giver right to grandstand onto others.

The one thing I kind of hate about the indie scene is the fact that it's swarming with identity politics. Don't get me wrong, there are some cool people in the scene and some of the ones I follow actually do stream and are trans but don't make a big deal out of it (which is why I actually respect them enough to not call them troons) but so many of these kids are just in it for the attention and have a "debut TBD" tag on their Twitter page. It honestly is just another avenue for attention whores to jump on some sort of hype train and I find it kind of ridiculous, especially since none of them really "get" how hololive's success even works. One big reason they're so successful is because their stage personas are apolitical. BTS, you can find shit like Kson supporting gay marriage and Karen encouraging more discussion on gender identity issues, but Coco and Calli have none of that. They just perform and know their audience isn't there to hear them get up on a soapbox, unless it's for a universally good cause like Polka talking about a bad dream she had and relating it to a typhoon about to hit the mainland. Being genuinely scared for the safety of your fans in the wake of a natural disaster is about as political as any of these agency vtubers is gonna get. One of my hard and fast rules in the indie community is that I will never soapbox. I try to at least maintain a bit of professionalism and kayfabe when it comes to shit like that.

Never, because that would require a modicum of self-awareness about them. Self-awareness is anathema to the attention whore.


I sincerely believe that every single person who has decided to "become a vtuber" since Hololive EN debuted is just joining in on a fad, regardless of their stated intentions. A lot of them may not even realize they've let themselves get swept up by the phenomenon either, or maybe they're just that deep into denial since they might believe their intent to be "different" and, when it comes right down to it, "better" than the rest of the clout chasers when they're pretty much just as guilty of chasing clout and relevance as they are.

It's less that and moreso the people who decided they were going to get in on it once they saw the success of Hololive EN and had no inclination to do anything like that at all; since I am somewhat tapped into the network of indie vtubers, they are by and large the new face of the typical Tumblr "artist" in that they don't produce any work, constantly talk about producing work, but just end up trying to create hugboxes. It's kind of why I emphasize doing something involving online content creation before saying "I'm a vtuber/vstreamer" or whatever, even if it's just you streaming drawing a commission for something. I can only speak for myself here, but I've been wanting to start streaming for years and never had equipment, and was full on going camless until facetracking and modelmaking software became easily accessible. The vtuber tech boom was more or less a natural progression for me to have something on screen without showing my full on ugly mug, so I took advantage to create a character I could reasonably portray and actually stick to it. Gonna get a bit rainbow in here but I find it to be the most important thing I've ever done because it's giving me a sense of purpose. Granted, I will admit that a bit of trend chasing is involved but I try not to sell myself out too much.

t begs the question, though, if someone doesn't have an animated model, are they a "vtuber?" I guess I could see the argument if they're still roleplaying as a character and all that, but as someone who got into all this stuff from the tech angle, my instincts say no, she's just someone talking over a drawing.

It honestly depends. You would have to consider some of the earlier drama Youtubers to be vtubers at that point since they use editing tricks to switch their drawings on the fly to suit their emotions. Nux Taku still does this and has several poses for his editor, so you could argue that he's a proto-vtuber in that regard if he actually incorporated those avatars into his streams (which he doesn't, he's camless). If someone is able to switch pngs on the fly like a live2D or vroid vtuber does with their facial expressions, then they could qualify even if it's a still image; at least they have a character lined up and they could just be waiting on a rigging, and as I said above, they're actually producing content as opposed to sitting their ass on Twitter all day begging for likes on their character sheet to hype up a debut that people will forget about within an hour.

meanwhile some japanese indie decided become hamburger man and a velocaptor. tho thats probably a default avatar from facerig, but at least its easy to remember.

I haven't seen much of the burger outside of those compilations but his avatar has evolved; he used to be a normal hamburger but now he's a red bun spicy burger and ketchup tshirt for his "body." I wish I could actually find his channel anywhere, he's a bit hard to track down.

Meanwhile, the raptor is putting in work and streams almost every day. I don't have time to catch most of what he does but he's a pretty cool dude. He goes by Gyarados.

 

[Girlboy69]

let em be, let their teenager ego kicks in, so it become a filter for us as well enjoying new chuuba that join a company like cover or so. most of those dramatical indie prolly coming from twitter, which already cancerous by default.


also these indie keep thinking saturated that being chuuba = anime avatar, just because the famous one are anime grill or boy, or hecc even clone from the one that already success.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=dy5X63qPhCsmeanwhile some japanese indie decided become hamburger man and a velocaptor. tho thats probably a default avatar from facerig, but at least its easy to remember.


wait. did Kiara accidentally show this, lol. if its following japanese corporate system, maybe A-chan is the boss for ENMA, or probably both helping each other + letting the girls know about game permission or something, esp from japanese game studio which enma may not able ask permission straight away due distance or language i guess

still funny seing enma with that padoru padoru status or something lol

Wtf does ENMA's name say? It's in a nearly unreadable shade of purple.

Also, why the fuck would anyone take advice on being a vtuber from someone who hasn't debuted yet? (read: someone who isn't actually a vtuber yet)

 

[Cubanodun]

Watching that Haato stream, by the emperor i did not knew fear until i saw she getting out the spider of the bag

 

[rikochi88]

this is it

The video that's gonna get me interested in Nijisanji

 

[The One And Only SALTE]

Watching that Haato stream, by the emperor i did not knew fear until i saw she getting out the spider of the bag

https://youtube.com/watch?v=k6qFJ09KY-A

Kiara actually ended her stream after being told about the tarantula and started tweeting out how disgusted she was that Haachama would even entertain the idea of eating it.

Cambodians' taste in snacks is...unique, to say the least.

 

[Fcret]

It’s an Asian thing, confidence issues are rampant due to conditioning (intentional or otherwise) to live up to your parent’s expectations. So if her singing isn’t 100% perfect, she’s a bad singer. It’s just like how she downplays her nipspeak, Kiara mentioned that she’s around Calli’s level and was surprised that her senpais didn’t know about Ina’s japanese.

Shit, I didn't know I was Asian.

This shit? This sort of person is what people were afraid of when Cover announced auditions for HoloEN. I am so, so glad that it’s not what we got. There’s Calli’s endearing cringe, and there’s physical reaction cringe, then there’s whatever the fuck that thing is.

I only had to see a 'carrd.co' link to understand the true horror of this person. Their profile makes them look like they're chasing every weeb unicorn under the sun.

Also, "Author (LN Publishing Date TBA)" is just the weeb version of that guy at your local coffee shop who has been working on a screenplay for the last 15 years.

 

[Potatohead]

One big reason they're so successful is because their stage personas are apolitical.

Assuming a perfect 50-50 split between Left and Right-leaning watchers, any slightly-divisive topic a chuuba brings up is going to kill half their audience. It’s just not a good idea, and that the losers trying to go indie don’t understand this is indicative of their success as a Vtuber.

HoloEN is an opportunity for a community of people from across the globe to come together and watch girls behind an anime avatar. Just in jp we have an ex-convict, a bishop-level member of the clergy, several /k/ types, a trucker that’s never missed a Kiara stream live and is patterning his vehicle after her colors, and a scientist working on a cure to Covid complaining about his isolated workplace that doesn’t get internet and won’t let him watch Polka.

Chuubas are meant to unite, not divide.

Also, why the fuck would anyone take advice on being a vtuber from someone who hasn't debuted yet? (read: someone who isn't actually a vtuber yet)

Nobody with any sort of sense. Naturally, this means that whatever 50 pronoun bio Twitter hack looking to make it big is going to use it as an instruction manual.

Shit, I didn't know I was Asian.

What, your parents never threatened to cut off your candy rations if you didn’t score straight A’s as a kid?

 

[Cryosinimicus]

I wonder when, or if, indie vtubers will realize that being a dramatic and political attention whore is actually working against them? Especially if they have hopes of joining Hololive or something.

A recruiter for an actual agency will take a look at their constant identity politics and shit and likely pass on them, most vtuber fans won't watch them because we just want to watch girls (and some guys) with anime avatars do odd shit. I don't really care what Mori or Amelia think about gays and trans or Republicans and Democrats or some "pedophilia is bad and not very good, ass pats please" grandstanding. This is why I don't really watch indies.

I've noticed a few people whine about how their niji application hasn't been viewed yet in the indie english world, I think it's because of this. These are the same people that quote retweet and post twitlongers about canceling other vtubers (usually smaller ones). The ouroboros of identity politics is always going to eat itself.

 

[The One And Only SALTE]

Also, "Author (LN Publishing Date TBA)" is just the weeb version of that guy at your local coffee shop who has been working on a screenplay for the last 15 years.

You're an author when you get published. Until then you're just a writer.

There are some pretty good writers in the vtuber community but none of them would be able to actually pen a fucking book if their life depended on it.