EU We should never have let Cyprus join the EU - The bloc should have put accession on ice and made it clear to both sides that only a united island would be allowed to join.


Jack Straw was foreign secretary of the United Kingdom from 2001 to 2006.

It was recently reported that two houses in an exclusive enclave near Moscow had been purchased for Russian President Vladimir Putin’s daughters by a Cypriot company named Ermira, which was officially owned by a Russian lawyer, but in reality it belonged to Putin.

The close association between Russia and the Greek-Cypriot Republic of Cyprus is long standing, all pervasive and, many believe, rather unhealthy. But what is the solution to this problem?

The republic has a population of about 800,000 — or just 0.002 percent of the European Union’s total population. Yet, well into the last decade, tiny Cyprus was the third largest foreign direct investor in Russia. The money was mostly Russian capital, which had been hidden offshore in Cyprus to avoid tax and scrutiny, and was then reinvested back in Russia.
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From 2012 to 2013, an extremely serious banking crisis in Cyprus had come close to destabilizing the whole Euro area. Cypriot banks were over-leveraged, and an emergency loan of €2.5 billion from — yes — Russia failed to stabilize the situation. The EU itself had to intervene.

Then, just last year, an extraordinary scandal engulfed the country’s political classes, when diligent investigative journalists uncovered an extensive conspiracy to secure Cypriot (and therefore EU) passports for foreign citizens through the Cyprus Investment Program. Under the scheme, eligible foreign nationals could purchase citizenship for €2.15 million. Among those charged was a former president of the Cyprus Parliament.

These applicants had criminal records and were therefore ineligible under the program. But during the period it operated, from 2007 to 2020, nearly 6,800 wealthy foreigners bought EU citizenship from Cyprus — and yes, the vast majority were Russian.

The island of Cyprus has been divided since 1974, with the Greek Cypriot Republic in the south and the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC), where the Turkish Cypriot minority (of around 250,000) overwhelmingly now live. A United Nations peacekeeping force, patrolling the effective border between north and south, is permanently stationed there. The Greek Cypriot Republic is internationally recognized. Only Turkey recognizes the TRNC in the north.

The narratives about why Turkey invaded to secure the north differ greatly. But, at the time, neofascist colonels were running Greece and pursuing a policy of “enosis” — unity of Cyprus with the mainland. The bicommunal, bicameral constitution that was agreed in 1960 on independence from the United Kingdom had broken down; there was terrible communal violence; and many Turkish Cypriots were in fear of their lives.

Cyprus had also signed an association agreement with the EU in late 1972, formally applying for membership in 1990. The U.N. had been trying, unsuccessfully, for years to broker a peace deal and a new constitution between the Turkish and Greek Cypriot communities. And as the prospect of EU membership became clearer, U.N. negotiators, with international support, calculated that linking agreement on a peace settlement to EU membership offered the best hope for solving the island’s divisions.

Thus, in early 2004, as the clock was ticking toward Cyprus’ formal accession, scheduled for May, detailed proposals were put to each side by the U.N. Turkish Cypriots voted overwhelmingly in favor; Greek Cypriots voted against by an even greater margin.

Many of us who had witnessed this process believed there had been serious duplicity on the part of Greek Cypriot negotiators. In retrospect, we could, and should, have put Cyprus’ accession on ice at this stage, and made it clear to both sides that only a united island would be allowed to join the EU.

The bloc’s failure (to which I was a party) means the EU itself has presided over a frozen conflict. And in doing so, it has lost all serious leverage over Greek Cypriots.
President of Cyprus Nikos Christodoulides | John Thys/AFP via Getty Images

They believe, correctly, that they have carte blanche — not least in relation to Russia; and that any peace deal with the north, however accommodating to Greek Cypriot interests, will be less satisfactory than the status quo. The history of U.N. negotiations since 2004 makes my point.

There is, in my view, only one way through this impasse. And that is for the international community to commit itself to a two-state solution if negotiations for a new constitution for a united island fail yet again.

There are plenty of examples where splitting states was the least worst option available. Czechoslovakia peacefully dissolved into two states in 1993. In the Balkans, the dissolution of Yugoslavia was anything but peaceful, yet most of the new republics have a better future ahead of them now than they ever did when they were in a single nation.

The U.K. is one of Cyprus’ three “guarantor nations,” along with Turkey and Greece. It also has key defense assets in the Greek Cypriot Republic, with two “Sovereign Base Areas” (that were formally part of the U.K.). Of course, Britain cannot affect a two-state solution to Cyprus on its own. But what it could, and should, do is break the spell over Cyprus, put the two-state solution on the table and seek to persuade other partners that this is the best way to unfreeze this conflict.
 
I thought he'd died. Cyprus is in the EU and it's doing okay. Imagine Greece wouldn't have been best pleased not accepting Cyprus and while always in a great financial state, it's location is strategic and Cyprus even more so.

Good visual and music vid from MajorSamm using the Turkish song Gurbet.


I downloaded the video, but it won't embed. Ah well.
 
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The republic has a population of about 800,000 — or just 0.002 percent of the European Union’s total population.
If 800,000 people was 0.002% of the European Union population, that would mean 2% of the EU population would be 800 million out of a total EU population of 40 billion. Methinks someone didn't convert a fraction to percent properly.

The correct percentage would probably be 0.2%, assuming the EU sans the UK has a population of 400 million, which sounds about right to me.
 
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They should drop the price of the passports but make up for it in volume.
Instead of someone from north africa paying people smugglers 10.000$ for a dangerous journey across the sea they should sell a european citizenship+passport+economy-ticket to Frankfurt for 5.000$

Solving the people smuggling issue once and for all.
 
Well, it's obvious as to why Cyprus would sell passports as a means of getting money into the economy. Maybe they wouldn't have to if they didn't have to deal with the Turks wanting resources.
I have sympathy for the younger generation in Cyprus. They have to clean up the mess the older generations have left them all the while they can barely afford money for rent, food, bills etc. whilst their corrupt governments sell them out for wealthy foreign tycoons who bribe politicians as they purchase passports and land on the island for large sums of money. It is sad to see how decades of no contact and one sided/airbrushed propaganda have turned many older GC's and TC's against each other and those who make the effort to reconcile are dismissed as "traitors". Ironically, they're more alike than they think and have more in common than either Greeks or Turks. In fact, many TCs are descended from GC converts (Limovaki) and lots of GCs have Turkish and or Venetian ancestry from the Ottoman and Venetian periods.
 
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It is sad to see how decades of no contact and one sided/airbrushed propagandsahave turned many older GC's and TC's against each other and those who make the effort to reconcile are dismissed as "traitors".
but they are traitors. the urks invaded the island and wanted to kill them all like they killed so many greeks before...

In fact, many TCs are descended from GC converts (Limovaki) and lots of GCs have Turkish and or Venetian ancestry from the Ottoman and Venetian periods.
So why not converte back and join the other greeks? ohh yeah because they have no connection to the island at all, they are just turkish islamists that should be driven into the sea.
 
So why not converte back and join the other greeks? ohh yeah because they have no connection to the island at all, they are just turkish islamists that should be driven into the sea.
"Just abandon your religion and culture and become Greek! After all, your family's 500+ years on this land mean NOTHING!!!"

I can think of fewer ideas worse than that. I'd sooner be a Roach, NGL. At least as a Roach I'd be in a real country, even if it is a shithole, and not a colony of the abomination in Brussels.
 
"Just abandon your religion and culture and become Greek! After all, your family's 500+ years on this land mean NOTHING!!!"
Well they are turks, so even claiming you are albanian would be an upgrade,
also their religion is stupid...

I can think of fewer ideas worse than that. I'd sooner be a Roach, NGL. At least as a Roach I'd be in a real country, even if it is a shithole, and not a colony of the abomination in Brussels.
Yeah but even the lowest of the low in the EU are richer than turks, and you can buy stuff for Euros, you dont have to pay premium to buy gold to exchange for goods.
 
Hard to take it seriously that Russian money being kept in Cyprus is a problem when Ireland is considered one of the best tax havens and they're also in the EU.
 
but they are traitors. the Turks invaded the island and wanted to kill them all like they killed so many greeks before...
The Turkish Cypriots are quite culturally different to the Turkish settlers who came between 1974 to 2005 to Cyprus like how Greek Cypriots are distinct to Greeks. A lot of them are very secular Muslims who drink alcohol and don't wear religious clothing.
 
I spend some time in Northern Cyprus in the 2000's. At the time there were a lot of British Expats there because property and the cost of living was so cheap and it still is to a degree. However Brits wanted to travel to and from the south and depending on the Greeks mood that could often be a hassle. Also the Greek government started to fund cases in the UK courts against Brits that had bought property there. (The British courts have no opinion on all the Turkish property in the south that was seized in 1974)

The North had great roads, the few towns were accessible and easy to get around, government seemed to be pretty functional.

I think most Cypriot Turks would agree to reunification tomorrow, however the Greeks will never agree. If for no other reason than they'd have to grant citizenship to the Turkish minority.

As for Russian money, that's a bit of misdirection because greek cyrpiot banks are dodgey as fuck. There are a lot of Russians in the North, but they're mainly there because it's cheap and there are loads of casinos.
 
It's not just Russians that use south Cyprus for illegal immigration loopholes, there's a fuckton of non-Europeans too and the EU can't do shit against them, not that they bother to go after more blatant violations too. It's kind of weird how few anti-immigration people I've seen point this out.

As for reunification, I'd have more sympathy to the thought if the Turkish side wasn't the only party that actually put forward concrete propositions for achieving this while the Greek side just rejected all of them under the vague guise of "it's unfair" without really elaborating because they're too pussy to admit that they still just want to kick all Turkish Cypriots off the island just like back in the 60s. They even lobby overseas to prevent north Cyprus from being able to establish their own proper economic ties to force them into unconditional submission to south Cyprus which ironically enough ended up backfiring and forcing Turkish Cypriots to rely even more on Turkey to survive.
 
It's not just Russians that use south Cyprus for illegal immigration loopholes, there's a fuckton of non-Europeans too and the EU can't do shit against them, not that they bother to go after more blatant violations too. It's kind of weird how few anti-immigration people I've seen point this out.

As for reunification, I'd have more sympathy to the thought if the Turkish side wasn't the only party that actually put forward concrete propositions for achieving this while the Greek side just rejected all of them under the vague guise of "it's unfair" without really elaborating because they're too pussy to admit that they still just want to kick all Turkish Cypriots off the island just like back in the 60s. They even lobby overseas to prevent north Cyprus from being able to establish their own proper economic ties to force them into unconditional submission to south Cyprus which ironically enough ended up backfiring and forcing Turkish Cypriots to rely even more on Turkey to survive.
IIRC, the recent polls about 48% in the southern side voted for a federal union but then again the older generation are too pigheaded and they voted in Christoulides (bad candidate) as the president.

The TC and GC diaspora abroad are often far more nationalistic than the people who actually live on the island. Many of them have never even lived there either. The lobbying groups and activists often have no clue of what's actually happening in Cyprus. The UK Greek Cypriots glorify EOKA and romanticise them whilst ignoring the atrocities and general chaos they caused to TCs and leftist GCs. British Turkish Cypriots turn a blind eye to Turkey's interference in the North and "conveniently" forget that the president Ersin Tatar and his cabinet are Erdogan's yes men who silence any dissent. All the while, they sit comfortably in their nice London flats whereas in Cyprus the average person can barely afford to pay the month's mortgage on minimum wage salaries.
 
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You know, this actually opens up a ton of issues. If we're using Cyprus as a precedent Serbia should've been in the EU ages ago too, but no, the Americunts support Shqiptar scum instead of honest to God Christians. To say nothing of Crimea which never was Ukrainian until 1954 (and Khrushchev, who was of course a hohol); 2014 was just the rectification of what should never have been done.
 
Maybe the EU should tell the Turks to get the fuck off the island... I guess that would require the EU actually doing something and we can't have that now can we.
 
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