What do left-leaning people even think the right is?

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I don't understand what it is the left really believe the right is, I thought I understood it when they kept calling people Fascists and Nazis, but recently Ethan Klein referred to the Jewish settlers of Israel as "ultra right." Weren't those people Holocaust survivors? I thought the left believed the Nazis to be right leaning, so why would their victims also be categorized as right leaning? Do they even have a consensus of what a right-leaning person is like? They seem to believe in a conspiracy theory that the right is a monolith of evil people who are evil for no reason but not much else, and anybody they don't like is just that now.
 
Nobody building a settlement survived the Holocaust bud. They are radicalized 20 somethings.
Also pretty right wing myself but what?
I don't pay attention to Israel or their politics, so when Ethan calls them settlers, I'm assuming he's referring to the founding of Israel and not anything happening right now.
 
>left-leaning people
>left

Your first mistake was thinking that there was a “left” to begin with.

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The fact that I have to use a Ben Garrison cartoon to explain modern day politics is both laughable and insane if we’re being honest.
 
>left-leaning people
>left

Your first mistake was thinking that there was a “left” to begin with.

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The fact that I have to use a Ben Garrison cartoon to explain modern day politics is both laughable and insane if we’re being honest.
So what's your point, that the global elite just believe in nothing?
 
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So what's your point, that the global elite just believe in nothing?
If anything, the global elite is still trying to make eating bugs, changing your gender by getting your male/female body parts cut out and pitting minority groups together through corporations having to sell them expensive products through an inflation crisis.

All of this despite the fact that white people are already soon to be a minority, drugs like fentanyl and government mandated vaccines are causing confusion and chaos with the “scientific” community that’s already at risk of being bought and paid for, and politicians selling their souls and integrity for other nations that have more dirt on them through money and blackmail.

If anything, the global elite look at us as just literal plebs who will only believe what the WEF tells them to think with money and power.
 
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If anything, the global elite is still trying to make eating bugs, changing your gender by getting your male/female body parts out and pitting minority groups together through corporations having to sell them expensive through an inflation crisis.

This is a bit more sinister than I would frame it. I'm a huge fan of Milton Friedman and he always said to never doubt the intentions of your opponent but judge the results. Doubting motives/interpretations leads to a long, muddy philosophical debate. The suicide rates of trannies and the failure of the current welfare state are numbers.
 
The "left" sees the "right" as strict parents or stuffy school officials trying to curb their youthful exuberance. It's something to push against.

Funny, I don't remember hearing it called left/right until the ...'late 80s?-90s I think.
The word "liberal" was getting tossed around, as opposed to "conservative." It wasn't such a divisive hateful thing even then. I think it was explained as Left wing and Right wing of the same bird, different but equally important.

Things are so overly dramatic now. I wish people would chill the fuck out.
 
Funny, I don't remember hearing it called left/right until the ...'late 80s?-90s I think.
The word "liberal" was getting tossed around, as opposed to "conservative." It wasn't such a divisive hateful thing even then.
While I'm not a fan of politics being divided into "left-wing" and "right-wing" positions, these terms are probably still better than "liberal" and "conservative". The latter of which being commonly misused by Americans to mean the former
 
Everything under the flag of the left wing has been co-opted by authoritarian socialists that use by-the-books tactics to divide, conquer, ostracize, and demoralize anyone who opposes them. That's why everyone, including traditional lefties like classic liberals now gets lumped in on the right. That's why they lose their minds and cannot cope when someone even slightly questions anything they've deemed correct, like the vaccine or certain politicians. The book Rules for Radicals outlines their tactics.
 
Classical liberals have been lumped into what is known as the right quite unfairly. I myself have just sort of accepted the label for the sake of convenience. There is more nuance though.
 

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Everything under the flag of the left wing has been co-opted by authoritarian socialists that use by-the-books tactics to divide, conquer, ostracize, and demoralize anyone who opposes them. That's why everyone, including traditional lefties like classic liberals now gets lumped in on the right. That's why they lose their minds and cannot cope when someone even slightly questions anything they've deemed correct, like the vaccine or certain politicians. The book Rules for Radicals outlines their tactics.
Calling shitlibs socialists is insanely dumb. They aren't nationalizing any industry and not even trying to lie to workers that they will get to control the means of production.
Liberals and social progressives, and alliance forged in Satan's asshole.
Socialism literally has stopped existing. Capitalism is everywhere and everything and has scored a decisive victory ages ago.
Being a faggot or minority is not socialism. Undergoing SRS and injecting DIY hormones is not socialism either. Imposing a technocratic terror regime that pursues people that shitpost online and criticize trannies is not socialism. Trying to use a pandemic to control societies and forge them into obedient, scared drones that happily work at megacorp for pennies is not socialism.
 
Calling shitlibs socialists is insanely dumb.
wrong

They aren't nationalizing any industry and not even trying to lie to workers that they will get to control the means of production.
wrong

Liberals and social progressives, and alliance forged in Satan's asshole.
cum

Socialism literally has stopped existing.
worng

Capitalism is everywhere and everything and has scored a decisive victory ages ago.
not quite

Being a faggot or minority is not socialism.
wot

Undergoing SRS and injecting DIY hormones is not socialism either.
everyone I dont like is a socialist

Imposing a technocratic terror regime that pursues people that shitpost online and criticize trannies is not socialism.
Technocratic Terror Regime is my favorite hardstyle group

Trying to use a pandemic to control societies and forge them into obedient, scared drones that happily work at megacorp for pennies is not socialism.
i mean it kinda is
 
I think what we're seeing with Ethan is something common to ideologues of any stripe, particularly midwits, people who are new to an ideology, and people who only latch onto trends. Living in a country with a two-party system also reinforces the idea that there are only two diametrically opposing ways of seeing things. A slightly above average person may be able to see beyond this when, for example, they see their anarcho-socialism is slightly different from their friend's anarcho-syndicalism, and their other friend's orthodox Marxism, but anything else is the capitalists and fascists, which are the same thing, no matter how different those two actually are.

No matter what your ideology is and how smart you are, you've probably done this at least once too. If you and most of your friends believe in some ideology generally agreed to be on the right and pay attention to politics more than the average person, you can probably tell the difference between a libertarian minarchist and an anarcho-capitalist, and how both are vastly different from Nazis and Christian conservatives. You also can't be bothered with the nuances of social democrats vs. democratic socialists and probably have even used either "liberal" or "socialist" to describe everything from a moderate welfare-state liberal to an actual communist.

Sometimes it's deliberate. If you have a very particular vision, you lump together the ideologies most likely to oppose it. If your vision is globalist communism, and your enemies will be Nazis, libertarians, and religious conservatives, all for very different reasons, but you label them all as one group and exaggerate the importance of the least attractive of these ideologies (naturally, the Nazis)..

I've never paid much attention to Ethan until relatively recently, so I can't say what was going on in his head, but if I were to guess, he's probably doing what I mentioned above and while trying to recapture some of his former edginess, and ended up doing it in the worst way possible.
 
I think the fundamental difference between what (for the sake of convenience) we'll call the 'Left' and the 'Right' is that 'Leftists' have adopted an ideology, and they then attempt to make Reality conform to those ideas. Whereas those on the 'Right' try to make their ideas conform to Reality.

So, 'Left' vs. 'Right' (especially in Current Year) isn't so much a position, it's more the direction (or order) in which one thinks.

Put another way, it's ideologues (or, the ideologically captured) - or, to be generous - idealists vs. realists.

Which is why the 'Left' thinks the 'Right' is evil, and the 'Right' thinks the 'Left' is insane.
 
The left thinks they're creating a world where nobody will ever be sad or lonely again, so they think the right is a bunch of people with no empathy who don't care if other people get hurt, so long as we just don't have to be mildly inconvenienced by giving up some outdated customs.
 
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