What do you think of "economically leftist with socially rightist characteristics"?

[Pajeet123]

Basically this /pol/ thread. I think someone even made a thread about being fiscally leftism here while back. So yeah why isn't that a more popular ideology in the west? From an outsider's perspective, in the U.S there are seems to be only two options
1. Will give you universal healthcare and social safety nets, but will call you racist at every opportunity for not wanting the culture you grew up with to die out, will expose your child to faggotry 24/7 and will arrest you if you don't let him troon out.
2. Will at least stall faggotry and degeneracy, but will make you pay a billion dollars for healthcare while giving tax cuts to the ultra rich

Third option is libertarians, and fourth option is the green party which is what the democratic party is supposed to be but isn't. No (at least not mainstream) socially right, fiscally left political movement.

 

[PhoBingas]

Either a slide thread or some nigga who's never dealt with socialized medicine. I know a lot of Americans think it's some free healthcare paradise in leafland, but our medical system has been an utter shit show since before even covid. The wait times for anything are super long, you pay like over half your income in tax to keep the bloated public health programs funded and you're still worse off than Americans who have to pay for everything.
Off topic powerlevel, but if Socialized healthcare was so great, I wouldn't still be waiting for a new family doctor after losing mine in like 2006, coming up on a 20 year wait, still nothing.

 

[Muttley]

This is stupid.
Anything you want from the left economically the right wing has done better.
The left attempt protectionism, what are the results? Geopolitical isolation, and starvation. You get Venezuela.

The right attempts protectionism, what are the results? NAFTA ended and the US withdrawn from TPP, second day in office, saving millions of American jobs.

 

[Muttley]

Either a slide thread or some nigga who's never dealt with socialized medicine. I know a lot of Americans think it's some free healthcare paradise in leafland, but our medical system has been an utter shit show since before even covid. The wait times for anything are super long, you pay like over half your income in tax to keep the bloated public health programs funded and you're still worse off than Americans who have to pay for everything.
Off topic powerlevel, but if Socialized healthcare was so great, I wouldn't still be waiting for a new family doctor after losing mine in like 2006, coming up on a 20 year wait, still nothing.

I know a lot of nerds are envious but I don't think that shit. The US accounts for more medical research and clinical trials than Europe and China combined, and the vast majority of that research is done through privately funded means, public funding makes up only a small fraction of the capital that drives medicine forward as a science, and all that capital, is generated here in the US, in our private healthcare industry.

What I actually think of healthcareland is that it's dependent on our system and it would never exist if it wasn't for the US basically being the only ones who do anything to advance humanity.

 

[naaaaiiiiillllll!!!]

We do kind of see this in America in the form of “Christian Socialists” often of the “I believe in Catholic social teaching” Catholic variety. Ultimately, they just become DNC/establishment leftists with a semi-private traditional religious life they may or may not bring up. It doesn’t help religions are increasingly leftist, so “being religious in private” often doesn’t mean “socially conservative” anymore.

As for answering OP on what I think? I think the few people I know who admit to being devout Christian Socialists are rather brave in current year+8 for picking an ideology that pisses off all sides in unique ways.

 

[JohnnyG]

This describes the "old left", or the Third-World countries we haven't droned into RainbowKiddyism...all those central american illegals will happily take your tax dollars but don't want you AIDSing their kids.

But that combination has been sidelined by the Western empire, because BioLeninism / Spiteful Mutants / Coalition of the Fringes is a more powerful ideology: the West created too much wealth and comfort to have a socialist revolution, but give power to tards who know they'd never earn it in any healthy society, and they will be 100% loyal to helping you tear down the "oppression" (hierarchy) of functional civilization.

To paraphrase that twitter post, you can still be part of the Left while holding non-Lefty economic views, but you cannot dissent event slightly on tranny/race issues, therefore that's all Leftism is at this point: ghetto rainbow worship.

 

[Waifu Days]

Most people pick their label more on people they hate than policy. If a lefty told me they really liked Austrian economics, I'd assume the hate the religious right otherwise they'd call themselves a conservative.

Both US parties are built up of fragmented groups and sometimes you vote for the idiot you less disagree with. Some on the left still are about economics and are uncomfortable with the LGBT community but they don't based their vote on that concern.

 

[Saddam Hussain Obama]

this is the worldview of someone whos never worked and only uses /pol/ and discord

 

[PointOfNoReturnPoint]

this is the worldview of someone whos never worked and only uses /pol/ and discord

To be fair thats a majority of the voting force coming up. They have no idea how fucked and brainwashed they are.

 

[Saddam Hussain Obama]

To be fair thats a majority of the voting force coming up. They have no idea how fucked and brainwashed they are.

if i remember correctly onetime i saw a study not sure how accurate but the majority of people polled in the rust belt were socially conservative economically socialist/populist i think alot of that base became the bernie to trump voters

 

[Divine right to rule]

So... the Soviet Union? We drifted so insanely wide to the left socially that Stalin's and Che Guevara's opinions on social issues would be seen as right-wing extremism. Actually further right than extreme, guys like Fuentes or Vox Day are way tamer than they were.
It is nothing short of astonishing, probably the largest social change over short time ever, except maybe primitive civilizations after getting colonized.

 

[PointOfNoReturnPoint]

if i remember correctly onetime i saw a study not sure how accurate but the majority of people polled in the rust belt were socially conservative economically socialist/populist i think alot of that base became the bernie to trump voters

I would believe it. That sounds like the Midwest. I have run into that mindset more often than not.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

So a National Socialist? Last time it was tried it didn't work well.

The issue with this worldview is that it's basically "I want my specific group to get free shit and everybody else to pay for it" which can quickly exclude you once the management switches, or include others you didn't mean to. Equality is a black hole of mediocrity, at least with right wing the faggots need to pay out of their own pocket for their degeneracy.

 

[PointOfNoReturnPoint]

So a National Socialist? Last time it was tried it didn't work well.

The issue with this worldview is that it's basically "I want my specific group to get free shit and everybody else to pay for it" which can quickly exclude you once the management switches, or include others you didn't mean to. Equality is a black hole of mediocrity, at least with right wing the faggots need to pay out of their own pocket for their degeneracy.

This right here sums it up pretty nicely. This is what they all want. They want everyone brought down to their level and not able to elevate themself. If they could they would be doing already.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

From an outsider's perspective, in the U.S there are seems to be only two options
1. Will give you universal healthcare and social safety nets, but will call you racist at every opportunity for not wanting the culture you grew up with to die out, will expose your child to faggotry 24/7 and will arrest you if you don't let him troon out.
2. Will at least stall faggotry and degeneracy, but will make you pay a billion dollars for healthcare while giving tax cuts to the ultra rich

If that's what constitutes fiscally-liberal/socially-conservative then it's ideal, but the left seems to want want to extend stuff like social safety nets and universal healthcare to everyone who crosses our open border.

So what would you call someone who isn't as far left fiscally, only wanting those benefits for Americans?

 

[Kromir]

They are economic illiterates to put it simply. They would drag everyone down to the lowest common denominator and then through magical thinking, convince themselves that the state who now has control over everything will give a crap about their backwards right wing views

 

[HyperboreanRightsActivist]

Corporatism forever

 

[Barry Williams]

Basically this /pol/ thread. I think someone even made a thread about being fiscally leftism here while back. So yeah why isn't that a more popular ideology in the west? From an outsider's perspective, in the U.S there are seems to be only two options

Uh, this is essentially my political alignment. I just vote conservative though because my hatred of trannies, fag groomers, and infinite niggers outweighs my desire for socialized healthcare.

 

[ArnoldPalmer]

I love all music as long as it's not rap or country, OP.

 

[Whatevermancer]

I know a lot of Americans think it's some free healthcare paradise in leafland, but our medical system has been an utter shit show since before even covid.

Sounds like a Canada problem, cause it works pretty well in Europe.