What is your favorite written eastern language? - Sperg about your moonrunes of choice

Do you count Russian, Middle Eastern, and Indian languages as moonrunes?

  • Da, vodka niggers are weebs anyway

    Votes: 4 26.7%
  • Ishalah, my fellow asian groomers

    Votes: 1 6.7%
  • Brown outside, but yellow inside, like rotten bananas

    Votes: 1 6.7%
  • If they aren't inherently racist towards people that look like them, they aren't asian

    Votes: 10 66.7%

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While I don't speak or understand anything other than the language of mutts, I've always been interested in eastern alphabets that didn't originate in a desert, but I'm glad I've never bothered learning any.

Chinese sounds nice, what with every word or concept being only one character, sounds simple and compact. But the problem is you have to take so long to write something that downscales so poorly that it's almost not worth it. Hell, the government made Simplified Chinese to improve literacy rates because quite a few of their characters were just too complicated. Doesn't help there's at least 50,000 surviving characters, though only weird literary nerds know that many.

Japan... whoo boy. I know the joke is that everything looks like a fucking alien wrote it, but holy hell. Did you know that Japan has three forms of writing? There's the Chinese (Kanji) script they kept after mainlanders gave it to them, still containing around 50,000 characters with only a few hundred getting simplified, though they're barely used. Then there's the syllabic languages. Katakana and Hiragana both contain the same sounds and homophones, but Hiragana (lit, women's writing)'s the majority of what you'll see (it mostly looks like retarded squiggles), whereas Katakana (looks more "intentional" and doesn't have a whole lot of circles or wraparound lines) is used for more important words, like verbs and names. Think of it like bolding Joshua Moon in the middle of a sentence. It's not pronounced in any weird way, it's just written differently, and, while not really "appropriate," you could just as easily write it in Hiragana or, more appropriately, Kanji. I know some people consider Romaji a fourth language, but really, it's just using phonetically writing Japanese in English. I could get into gay shit like how there's a retarded amount of prefixes and suffixes or how there's multiple meanings or ways to read kanji (the most common of which has ELEVEN different meanings), but this section is long enough and it's mostly just sperging about how obtuse the Japanese are.

One moonrune language I can't shit on out of the gate, however, is Hangul. You see, back in the 15th century, some Korean king realized long before the Chinese ran headlong into the modern world that the written language they spread everywhere sucked and was just as much of a contributing factor to illiteracy as poor education, so he made his own language and it's both consistent and readable by people who know what means what. Hangul is comprised of characters that represent consonants and vowels, and you combine them in a consistent way to create words. It's a sort of mix between an alphabet and a syllabic system. You take a couple of noises, put them together into one character that represents a syllable, then pair it with another to create a word.
"Hangeul in Korean is written as 한글, not ㅎㅏㄴㄱㅡㄹ"
I can read along with Hira-and-Katakana, but the second I hit kanji, I have to look up a guide to see what kana are used to pronounce it. With Hangul, even though I don't understand what I'm reading, I intrinsically understand how it's pronounced because the parts it's composed of always mean one thing. It's how I would create a written language. My only complaint is it's attached to probably the gayest sounding mainland language, Koreans constantly sound like they're talking about cock and making sexual moans, whereas Chinese people sound soulless and the Japanese sound like whiny bitches.

I haven't had any real experience with other eastern languages, like Thai, Vietnamese, or Malaysian, but I'd be pretty interested in seeing people's thoughts about them.
 
Korean, obviously. It's the only one that isn't a system of cave drawings with a 1:1 symbol to concept ratio. It's the only one that has modernized itself into an actual alphabet because one dead dude had the sense to care about efficiency over tradition.
 
chinese is insane archaic giga-autism and sounds terrible.
japanese is also archaic and autistic in writing, but unlike chinese it souds very nice.
korean is very modern and efficient but i don't like how it sounds. better than chinese but not by a lot.
 
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The only Japanese you need to know: ふざけるな ニッガ (Can you believe they have no way to say "Nigger" in Nip Moon Rune without using katakana?)
 
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Korean, obviously. It's the only one that isn't a system of cave drawings with a 1:1 symbol to concept ratio. It's the only one that has modernized itself into an actual alphabet because one dead dude had the sense to care about efficiency over tradition.
Japanese has the worst of both worlds, where they created 2 alphabets that work totally fine (I actually like Katakana, their extremely simplified one used only for foreign words), but still insist on using the pictograms they stole from the Chinese alongside them out of some autistic commitment to aesthetics.
 
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Speaking of Korean, what if people did like in StarCraft and spoke English, forgetting other languages?

:thinking:

(of course English has problems too)
 
Mongolian.

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Japanese has the worst of both worlds, where they created 2 alphabets that work totally fine (I actually like Katakana, their extremely simplified one used only for foreign words), but still insist on using the pictograms they stole from the Chinese alongside them out of some autistic commitment to aesthetics.
I would compare the use of the logograms to English's fucked-up spelling that nevertheless barely changes. Japanese has a ton of homophones and compound words that would be pretty hard to figure out if they were just written phonetically. It preserves a lot of etymology and commonalities between words that would be invisible otherwise.

Removing the logograms would be like spelling English or French phonetically- you might have a language that's superficially easier to write, but you'd lose a ton of nuance, potential for wordplay, useful distinctions in writing, and the history of the language itself. Vietnamese imo, although it may be more 1-1 when written and spoken, lacks a lot of the semantic depth and productivity that lots of languages with old spelling preserve.
 
I'm currently in the middle of learning Chinese, and it SUCKS. All of the points that previous posters have made about their characters being retardedly hard to write are absolutely true. Here's the Chinese character for family/home:

It's not as if the frequency of a word correlates to character simplicity either. Here's "I" and "is/are" respectively:
我 是

Chinese sounds nice, what with every word or concept being only one character, sounds simple and compact.
You'd think things would be that way, wouldn't you? They aren't. This shit (all three characters) is the Chinese word for "why:"
为什么

Some of them just put all of the others to shame with sheer complexity. This is the Chinese word for "thank you."
谢谢

Also, speaking it is a bitch. Mandarin Chinese is tonal, meaning that the inflection your voice carries when you pronounce something can completely alter its meaning. There are four different tones, and they all sound almost exactly the same to the Western ear. The only saving grace the language has is its Pinyin alphabet, which was created in the 1950s out of something other than linguistic duct tape.
 
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Vietnamese, because it uses a Latin-derived alphabet, like all civilized languages.
If I were to learn an east Asian language., it would be Vietnamese. Primarily because of this.

That, and I love pho and betta fish.
 
I'm currently in the middle of learning Chinese, and it SUCKS. All of the points that previous posters have made about their characters being retardedly hard to write are absolutely true. Here's the Chinese character for family/home:

It's not as if the frequency of a word correlates to character simplicity either. Here's "I" and "is/are" respectively:
我 是


You'd think things would be that way, wouldn't you? They aren't. This shit (all three characters) is the Chinese word for "why:"
为什么

Some of them just put all of the others to shame with sheer complexity. This is the Chinese word for "thank you."
谢谢

Also, speaking it is a bitch. Mandarin Chinese is tonal, meaning that the inflection your voice carries when you pronounce something can completely alter its meaning. There are four different tones, and they all sound almost exactly the same to the Western ear. The only saving grace the language has is its Pinyin alphabet, which was created in the 1950s out of something other than linguistic duct tape.
Wait until you learn about how Mandarin handles tenses and ordering of events if you haven't already.
 
Nüshu is a syllabic script created and used exclusively by women in Jiangyong Prefecture, Hunan Province, China. The women were forbidden formal education for many centuries and developed the Nüshu script in order to communicate with one another.
 

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Vietnamese, because it uses a Latin-derived alphabet, like all civilized languages.
"Latin-derived," sure, I guess, but at what point are you no longer just accenting existing letters and instead just creating new ones? What native speaker of any other language which uses Latin letters will know how to pronounce "ở lại?" I think Vietnamese would be better served by having its own alphabet which can more properly represent the sounds in that language (a la Korean) rather than beating up on Latin letters until they conform to a type of language they were never intended to represent. But I guess it's too late for that.
 
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