What role do you think social engineering has in our population decline.

[Giles Corey]

This is something I have been thinking about since I mentioned it in the "why are you still single" . It's our natural instinct as human beings to want to form bonds with each other. For centuries humsn beings naturally settled around communities and families.


Today, that's not the case. More people than ever are reporting feelings of loneliness. Many have dubbed this epidemic "the social recession". People are getting into relationships and having kids much later or not at all.


All this has lead to a population decline. Despite this being an obvious and extremely negative thing not alot is being done to combat it. In my opinion its easy to see why. The generation of men reporting record numbers of datelessness are also the same boys who would have been on the Internet during the adolescence.

Leaning a bit on personal experience here but, many will say that the Internet only allows for more isolated people to express their discontent. They are argue that there was always this level of isolation. I disagree completely. The Internet has completely eroded the social dynamics. Back in the 70s-90s if people wanted to hang out with they would call to your house. People went out and talked to each other. There wasn't a case where if you didn't have certain apps you'd be completely and utterly left behind.

Back then you could actually face your loneliness head on and nip it in the bud. As a result, there were much lower levels of social anxiety. Now, social anxiety is synonymous with Gen Z. We avoid the problems and the awkward situations but the lack of human interaction never leaves us truly satisfied. Many teens that spend their time terminally online are stuck in a cycle where they run to the Internet to fulfil their social needs which only strengthens their aversion to real human interaction. Time goes on, no one cares and before the young man knows it they've kissed all their chances of having a normal social or romantic life goodbye.

People who are terminally online unbeknownstly will encourage others to go down that path. A big example is relationship advice subreddits. They've become infamous for encouraging people to end relationships over minor things. Reddit in general seems to love encouraging people to burn all the bridges. They do it because that's THEIR solution to all their problems. Avoid real world contact in favour of online echo chambers, words on a screen that say things you like. That will never take the place of real world love tbh.

You see this a lot with the promotion of troonism. Many trannies love the idea of convincing people that they are trannies in a process known as cracking eggs. What is often left out is how this often further isolates the terminally online man. This leaves them being brainwashed into ending their bloodline and spending even more time online.

Social media companies store our data, collect information on us and put us into boxes so it's easier to sell things to us. Simps in particular have proven how highly profitable it is for companies to keep people lonely.

What do you all think. I've seen the idea of social engineering being floated around here before.

Would love to get specific examples on how this I being accomplished

 

[Geddy Lee's Fee and See]

Fundamentally, people have made the mistake of using technology without the slightest degree of forethought and thought that you can have meaningful social interactions completely online on a phone. Most people in the past understood the Internet was not capable of that although you could interact with people you knew on it: it was a side dish to the main course of normal interactions so to say. Only weird MMO players and the most dysfunctional of nerds thought using the Internet day in and day out all the time could do something like that and they were rightfully shunned for it. Now that's the bullshit myth sold to us and people are more depressed than ever, more dysfunctional and narciasistic than ever and just able to properly communicate. Social media needs to be bamned or heavily regulated to play as little a role in our lives as possible, but thay's extremely unlikely to happen when normalfaggots enable their shitty practices.

I'd write a more substantial post but I'm about to get cleaned up and my power just came back on from a small storm paaaing through.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Social engineering always reeked to me of people thinking the elites are way smarter than they actually are.

 

[Unarmed Gunman]

Read Bowling Alone by Robert Putnam. He called that shit 25 years ago, and now it's all coming to fruition.

 

[Lord of the Large Pants]

I would unironically ban dating apps. They have been an overwhelming net negative both individually and collectively.

 

[Lone MacReady II]

Look up what killing off Smith-Mundt allows the semite-state to do openly now. Not under cover, or having to at least cook up a shitty lie - but Openly do to the populace.

 

[Troonos]

Literally 100% of it. Between China, the WEF, and the Jews, every aspect of the West's decline has been carefully engineered to weaken us.

 

[Giles Corey]

Social engineering always reeked to me of people thinking the elites are way smarter than they actually are.

They are smarter than you think they are. Very few people in power are fools and it's a great mistake to think otherwise.

Fundamentally, people have made the mistake of using technology without the slightest degree of forethought and thought that you can have meaningful social interactions completely online on a phone. Most people in the past understood the Internet was not capable of that although you could interact with people you knew on it: it was a side dish to the main course of normal interactions so to say. Only weird MMO players and the most dysfunctional of nerds thought using the Internet day in and day out all the time could do something like that and they were rightfully shunned for it. Now that's the bullshit myth sold to us and people are more depressed than ever, more dysfunctional and narciasistic than ever and just able to properly communicate. Social media needs to be bamned or heavily regulated to play as little a role in our lives as possible, but thay's extremely unlikely to happen when normalfaggots enable their shitty practices.

I'd write a more substantial post but I'm about to get cleaned up and my power just came back on from a small storm paaaing through.

Agreed. I don't think social media should be completely banned because society being able to quickly spread information between ourselves is important. Social Media also streamlines communications. It just needs to be a healthy medium which society doesn't encourage. We've let kids who haven't developed any form of discipline unlimited access and the results aren't good.

Its an individual case by case basis of who has a healthy relationship with social media and who doesn't.

If I had a teenage son right now who was having difficulty socialising I would 100% take their phone away from them and force them to build relationships in the real world. Nip this shit in the bud because otherwise they are just going to fall further and further behind. Social media is unhealthy for people like that and only further enables them to isolate themselves.

 

[Neodanthril]

I think Jews wanting to erase the white race is a part of it, but birthrates are down globally. Something about international Jewish butt sex capital is discouraging childbirth on a fundamental level. Is it pollution in the water supply? Drugs?

 

[pentangle]

They've become infamous for encouraging people to end relationships over minor things

tbh I think therapy/therapists/therapy culture contributes to the loneliness epidemic too for similar reasons. the whole "your partner isn't your therapist" thing always struck me as dystopian - the idea that you shouldn't expect emotional support from or feel obligated to give it to someone who you ostensibly love but should from a stranger because you're paying them and they have a 1 year master's degree is insane. I get that we need to consult "experts" for our physical health and for schooling and whatever else but do we really need other people to be experts on our own relationships and emotions too? it's twisted. also I wonder how often therapists have gently coaxed people into ending their relationships - a lot of my friends certainly have had their therapists do it literally for reasons as trivial as their partner and them don't talk as much as before or their partner wants some arbitrary lifestyle change out of them.

Would love to get specific examples on how this I being accomplished

I saw some video in which some woman said the top comments she saw on a relationship-related video were all to the effect of 'your boyfriend should do X for you, it's insane that he doesn't;' meanwhile, her boyfriend looked at the exact same video at the same time and his top comments were 'your girlfriend shouldn't expect X from you, that's demanding/controlling'. The idea that the algorithm affects which opinions we see even in comment sections is pretty disturbing to me.

 

[Ultrapenguin]

I think it has a very very small part in it. The situation is almost entirely about communal fragmentation as a consequence of modern technology enabling (and therefore essentially requiring) people to live and work among a constantly revolving set of total strangers with very little attachment to the area they're occupying.

Yes birth rates are down globally, because globalism is global. You either assimilate or get outcompeted.

Idk, I feel like people who think this is all some jewish mindtrap don't actually know people who are trying to raise young kids in current day. It becomes stark how hostile the structure of the modern landscape is to children and family. People still do it, but children are harder to assimilate into the average lifestyle now more than ever before, and relationships that develop organically through day to day life are becoming extinct.

I get that we need to consult "experts" for our physical health and for schooling and whatever else but do we really need other people to be experts on our own relationships and emotions too? it's twisted. also I wonder how often therapists have gently coaxed people into ending their relationships - a lot of my friends certainly have had their therapists do it literally for reasons as trivial as their partner and them don't talk as much as before or their partner wants some arbitrary lifestyle change out of them.

It seems like therapists have sort of stepped into roles religious leaders used to occupy. If you had marital problems in a more traditional setting you might go to your pastor about it, nowadays you got to your therapist instead. People trusted those figures had a deeper existential understanding due to their profession, and people believe the same thing about therapists.

And yes, the modern attitude is that living in a pod and getting all of your fulfillment through work and consumption is the ideal. Relationships are silly, unproductive, and you're better off without them unless your partner either aligns with you 100% of the time on everything or serves as a vector of social/economic mobility.

 

[Giles Corey]

And yes, the modern attitude is that living in a pod and getting all of your fulfillment through work and consumption is the ideal. Relationships are silly, unproductive, and you're better off without them unless your partner either aligns with you 100% of the time on everything or serves as a vector of social/economic mobility

I wasn't going to reply to this thread but this comment really articulated something that I have been struggling to put my finger on myself.

I'm reminded about two things when I read what you said. One was my friends experience during a speed dating event. Most were women in the 30s doing remote work. He said that after talking to them he would never do remote work at home because they basically spend most of their time at home only leaving to go to the shop or something. It sounds really depressing.

Another is a comment I read on reddit (yeah, Allah forgive me, I know). This was on dating and how it's declining and one woman said "men aren't competing with other men, they are competing with her couch" not exactly quote but something along those lines. And it's like, I don't get that. As someone that basically spent their teen years and early twenties terminally online and socially isolated I don't get how someone in their thirties can look at their life spent in doors and think "this is fine".

It's like, I lived that life. Eventually, you run out of new things to watch and online communities start becoming unfulfilling. I don't know. People are so fucking boring now, i suppose. I'm on the autism spectrum and I've always struggled to maintain relationships but in a way I'm kinda grateful for that struggle because I realise it thought me how truly important they are.

The pod people shit is truly a warning.

 

[pentangle]

"men aren't competing with other men, they are competing with her couch"

I think comments like this are a consequence of a culture that constantly gives women advice to the tune of 'you should be happy with yourself before you find a partner' or 'you can't rely on a partner for emotional fulfilment - only yourself' every time they complain about being single. There's this idea that you have to pretend that being single is 100% as good as being in a partnership to feel even entitled to a healthy partnership in the first place (which of course is absurd because, if you genuinely thought that, you wouldn't actively seek out a partnership in the first place). It's just cope in response to a culture of individualism.

 

[Anasûrimbor Kellhus]

Would love to get specific examples on how this I being accomplished

franklly the fucking cameras everywhere ready to upload every minute interaction to millions is a huge stressor in all this. No one can have a bad interaction or awkward moment anymore without it potentially being published to their humiliation or even loss of a job. Its a panopticon of our own making