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White and far-right extremists kill more cops, but FBI tracks black extremists more closely, many worry

By Kate Irby

January 24, 2018 03:10 PM

Updated January 25, 2018 12:38 PM

White supremacist and other far-right extremist groups have killed 51 police officers since 1990, according to a report published by the Anti-Defamation League last week. Left-wing extremist groups, including black nationalists, killed 11 during the same period.

In 2017 alone, black nationalists and other leftists killed no police, while white supremacists and anti-government extremists fatally attacked a police officer and two corrections officers, the report said.

But while the FBI tracks so-called “black identity extremists” as domestic terror threats — as an FBI counterterrorism report completed in August and leaked in October revealed — it doesn’t have an equivalent designation for white extremists.

Experts worry that the broad labeling of black groups, and not white ones, is an indication that federal law enforcement’s targeting of certain groups is based less on evidence than on politics.

That targeting can significantly affect how law enforcement chooses to police protests or events organized by specific groups. Many worry the report on black identity extremists specifically could be used to home in on members of Black Lives Matter – possibly infringing on their right to speak freely and protest peacefully.

The Congressional Black Caucus asked FBI Director Christopher Wray in a private meeting in November, as well as during public testimony in December, to rescind the report. Wray did not commit to doing so, but in his December testimony noted that “we continue to evaluate the data as it rolls in” and anything from a retraction to a reaffirmance to a clarification of the August report was possible. FBI spokesman Andrew Ames said Tuesday there was “no update” since then.

The FBI report, titled “Black Identity Extremists Likely Motivated to Target Law Enforcement Officers,” defines black identity extremists as people who seek to commit acts of violence motivated by “perceived racism and injustice in American society.” The report said the increase in violence against law enforcement “likely” began after the August 2014 shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo., and subsequent grand jury decision not to indict the police officers involved.

It lists six attacks since 2014, including Micah Johnson, the Dallas shooter who killed five police officers in July 2016, and Gavin Eugene Long, the Baton Rogue shooter who killed three officers 10 days later, as examples of black identity extremists.

“This document essentially says we don’t care about your ideology, we care about your black identity,” said Michael German, a former FBI agent who worked in the counterterrorism division. “It’s an enormous classification that could encompass any violence by a black person.”

Nusrat Choudhury, senior staff attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union Racial Justice Program, referred to the term black identity extremist as a “manufactured threat.”

The FBI’s Ames noted that the bureau’s domestic terrorism program identifies nine extremist movements: white supremacy, black identity, militia, sovereign citizens, anarchists, abortion, animal rights, environmental rights, and Puerto Rican Nationalist.

But critics point out that the “white supremacy” category applies to specific organizations and groups with a specific message, while “black identity extremists” are defined far more broadly; the two are not equivalent, they maintain.

The six attacks named in the ADL report span 2014 to 2016 and resulted in eight deaths to police officers and several injuries. The last time black nationalist groups fatally assaulted police officers before 2016 was in the 1970s, according to German.

Between 2011 and 2017, there were 11 officers killed by right-wing extremist groups compared to those eight officers killed by left-wing groups, according to ADL. That’s a much narrower gap than in the previous two decades: From 2001-2010, right-wing extremists killed 24 officers while those on the left killed two, and from 1991-2000 the figures were 16 and one, respectively.

Joshua Freilich, co-creator of the Department of Homeland Security-funded U.S. Extremist Crime Database, had similar findings on far-right extremists: 45 police officers have been killed by far-right extremists since 1990, with four additional killings still under review. Far-right extremists have killed one officer in 2017, according to his research, while far-left extremists have killed two, with another death still under review. (Freilich’s numbers don’t include the killings of the two corrections officers that were part of the ADL’s tally; while the two Georgia inmates were members of a white supremacist gang, their attacks on the corrections officers came during an escape attempt and were not seen as ideologically motivated, a requirement in Freilich’s calculations.)

Rep. Cedric L. Richmond, D-La., called the FBI report “very alarming” and said it could be used to label members of Black Lives Matter an extremist group. Other members said after the CBC meeting that Wray could not name a single black identity extremist group, though the report makes repeated references to those groups without specifying them.

“This FBI assessment went out to almost 18,000 law enforcement agencies, some of whom have intelligence departments, some of whom don’t. Some will have protests in the future,” Richmond said. “Our fear is...these young people who are out there, exercising their first amendment right to protest and create the type of change they want to see in this country, will be viewed as extremist” by the police, based on the report.

German noted that “the report seems to go through a lot of trouble to avoid” the term Black Lives Matter. Attorney General Jeff Sessions declined to say whether Black Lives Matter could be considered a black identity extremist group in testimony before a House committee in November.

Though Wray repeatedly emphasized to a House committee in November that the FBI does not conduct surveillance on groups simply for their speech, the bar for the FBI to justify surveillance is “very, very low,” according to German — and the FBI’s August report can be used to reinforce that reasoning.

“All they need is speculation that a group might sometime in the future commit violence to target them,” German said. “And that speculation can come from their own agents. It’s such a low threshold.” Choudhury agreed with the characterization.

Black people are 2.5 times more likely to be shot and killed by police than white people.

“This (report) distorts the threat picture, because this is a small sample of violence against police officers,” German said. “We want to look out for the well-being of law enforcement, and this means they’re going to miss out on real threats to them.”

“Without a clear statement from the FBI that this report has been retracted or disavowed, there is no guarantee that law enforcement is not actively surveilling black activist groups who are simply asserting their right to free speech,” Choudhury said. “This is embarassing for the FBI, and terrifying for those groups.”

Clarification: This story has been clarified with additional text explaining what the FBI’s counterrorism program tracks, and to note that the bureau is continuing to evaluate the “black identity extremist” category.

McClatchy reporters Emma Dumain and Bill Douglas contributed to this report.
 
White supremacist and other far-right extremist groups have killed 51 police officers since 1990, according to a report published by the Anti-Defamation League last week. Left-wing extremist groups, including black nationalists, killed 11 during the same period.

In 2017 alone, black nationalists and other leftists killed no police, while white supremacists and anti-government extremists fatally attacked a police officer and two corrections officers, the report said.
:story: so 51 dead cops in about 28 years vs they dindu nuffin in 2017 alone. Quality comparison there.
It lists six attacks since 2014, including Micah Johnson, the Dallas shooter who killed five police officers in July 2016, and Gavin Eugene Long, the Baton Rogue shooter who killed three officers 10 days later, as examples of black identity extremists.
:story: OH wait they totally are killing cops!

EDIT: It's also really hard to pin down whether or not the cop killer in question was affiliated with a group or not since most of these groups have a tendency to disavow anyone that does exactly what the group is inciting them to do.
 
SJWs have unique memories. They can only recall current year and pre-Civil War era.
Not to mention trying to find solid statistics of killings and violence done by groups like the Black Panthers is only met with a lot of "they never did that they were peaceful! Free speech!" bullshit. Some will cite as many as 35+ officers being killed by the Panthers between the 60s and 80s and other sites will go on about how that totally never happened. It feels like these people want to cite the truth when it's convenient and bury it if it will prove that they are no better then those they are calling out.
 
Not to mention trying to find solid statistics of killings and violence done by groups like the Black Panthers is only met with a lot of "they never did that they were peaceful! Free speech!" bullshit. Some will cite as many as 35+ officers being killed by the Panthers between the 60s and 80s and other sites will go on about how that totally never happened. It feels like these people want to cite the truth when it's convenient and bury it if it will prove that they are no better then those they are calling out.
True for most things these days. It’s getting to the point where we can’t even trust statistics because the people collecting them have agendas.
 
True for most things these days. It’s getting to the point where we can’t even trust statistics because the people collecting them have agendas.
Now it may actually stand that fringe right wing/neo nazi/skinhead/whatever groups may have actually killed more police than their left wing counterparts. But to pretend like it doesn't happen at all or to completely ignore the fact that they perpetrate other forms of violence against police is just pure bullshit.
 
Now it may actually stand that fringe right wing/neo nazi/skinhead/whatever groups may have actually killed more police than their left wing counterparts. But to pretend like it doesn't happen at all or to completely ignore the fact that they perpetrate other forms of violence against police is just pure bullshit.
Yep. I fully believe the right-wing nutjobs are better at it, likely because they eat meat and exercise, but the left-wing nutjobs are starting to catch up.
 
Now it may actually stand that fringe right wing/neo nazi/skinhead/whatever groups may have actually killed more police than their left wing counterparts. But to pretend like it doesn't happen at all or to completely ignore the fact that they perpetrate other forms of violence against police is just pure bullshit.

No they didn't, since there is much less of them. Dindus are just too numerous and even if we allow that skinheads are better shots, dindus would still win the "shoot a cop" challange due to sheer numbers I think.
 
No they didn't, since there is much less of them. Dindus are just too numerous and even if we allow that skinheads are better shots, dindus would still win the "shoot a cop" challange due to sheer numbers I think.
Since no one wants to report the actual statistics ( because math and facts are racist) then you may be right as well.
Yep. I fully believe the right-wing nutjobs are better at it, likely because they eat meat and exercise, but the left-wing nutjobs are starting to catch up.
Soy is a helluva drug.
 
Until Black Lives Matter can separate themselves from the sort of people who actually kill cops (rather than just praise dead cops like the rest of BLM), they might as well be one of these black extremist groups.

“This document essentially says we don’t care about your ideology, we care about your black identity,” said Michael German, a former FBI agent who worked in the counterterrorism division. “It’s an enormous classification that could encompass any violence by a black person.”

Is this like how there's no such thing as black supremacy since black people can't be racist? When Micah Johnson shoots a cop, that's a bit different than when a Crip shoot some rando on the streets.
 
True for most things these days. It’s getting to the point where we can’t even trust statistics because the people collecting them have agendas.

Yeah we've seen in Europe suppression of reports that aren't following the political narrative they want to push. I have no doubt during the pro-BLM Obama era that sort of thing would have happened.
 
Now it may actually stand that fringe right wing/neo nazi/skinhead/whatever groups may have actually killed more police than their left wing counterparts. But to pretend like it doesn't happen at all or to completely ignore the fact that they perpetrate other forms of violence against police is just pure bullshit.
I would be amazed if that were true- NOT because the far right is any nicer, but simply because there are so few of them. I've lived in various deep south states my entire life, and I've never met a single skinhead. NOT. ONE. But dangerhair commie moonbats are everywhere, even down here. They're line the Loch Ness Monster: I believe they exist, but people just never meet them and they're almost extinct as a species.
 
They're line the Loch Ness Monster: I believe they exist, but people just never meet them and they're almost extinct as a species.
Most KKK outlets are east Texas and Louisiana, most neo-nazis are west-coast and plainsfags, most comprehensive "hate groups" are northeast. You'll find far more Black Separatist groups in the southeast proper than Confederate revivalists, let alone actual skinheads.
Edit: I'd also like to throw in that the SPLC agrees with that assessment, and I can't think of anyone less likely to lie to cover for the South. Their whole job has been painting the nastiest picture they could manage, so I'd like to see anyone try to claim favoritism.
 
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Oh no, that's what many worry? Well that's certainly actionable information! I think we should put as much effort into helping these people as was done in 2012 for the many who worried the world was about to end.
 
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