Why are American breeders making mutants? - All American bred dogs are shit and have hip dysplasia.

[mindlessobserver]

General query. Last year, I decided to get a pupper, and opted to go for a pure bred so I could be sure of what I was getting. In the end I settled on the venerable cocker spaniel, but in my quest I encountered something horrifying.

All dogs bred to American Kennel Club standards are horrific mutants.

For some reason American Breeders have been selecting for this God awful hunch back form. All these dogs are being born with borderline hip Dysplasia and most will advance to it fully as they get older.

Thankfully I found a breeder that was sticking to the English standards that select against this horrific mutation. But this seems to be the exception. American Breeders are doing it to all the breeds. Cockers, Doberman, Rottweilers, even the Labs.

Why are American breeders doing this to their dogs? It seems cruel and it's not appealing either. What the fuck good is a sport dog born with deformed hips who can't engage in sport?

 

[Vingle]

Looks are more important than health. Looks are whats going to draw in the public, and some murican actually using their dog for sport`

 

[Uncle Sid]

Read and enjoy: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/dog-breeding-horror-show.103778/

 

[Dyn]

I only came into this thread because I thought you were talking about American children, not dogs.

 

[Klaptrap]

I had no clue they were doing that. Cocker Spaniels are famously inbred here in the states but you'd think that they wouldn't select for even worse traits.

 

[Some JERK]

Watching g a dog suffer through hip dysplasia is one of the most soul-crushing things that you can experience in life. Fuck these assholes.

 

[mindlessobserver]

I had no clue they were doing that. Cocker Spaniels are famously inbred here in the states but you'd think that they wouldn't select for even worse traits.

I got lucky, here in the middle Atlantic there is still a pretty active interest in working spaniels so the breed is still pretty true to form. No hunch backs with overgrown coats.

I think we have autistic North Carolinians to thank for that. They love their spaniel gun dogs. What's wild to me though is most people don't know what my pupper is out in public since she has a perfectly straight back and her coat doesn't look like a poncho.

 

[Stoneheart]

thats strange, normaly only german shepherds should have that hunch. even the morth healthy east german ones have it.

 

[mindlessobserver]

thats strange, normaly only german shepherds should have that hunch. even the morth healthy east german ones have it.

It's become a fad apparently. And they are doing it to dogs it has no business in like the Scottish Deerhound that won best in show.



Just look at the position of its hind legs vs. The hips.

 

[Stoneheart]

Just look at the position of its hind legs vs. The hips.

the size of the legs are also totaly fucked up.
Its also ugly.

just get some european style german breed, they are the smartest by far and they are loyal, they have been breed for centuries to guard the realm...

 

[Racist Trash]

Dog breeders for whatever reason see inbreed traits as good for some unknown fucking reason they are absolute loons that should have all dogs taken away from them.

 

[Dysnomia]

Some of these traits are just ugly so I have no idea what the draw is to make them standard. Control?

 

[Cats]

I only came into this thread because I thought you were talking about American children, not dogs.

 

[Thumb Butler]

The same applies to humans, which is why Ethan Ralph exists.

 

[Manul Otocolobus]

The trick to dealing with this is getting a half-breed "Oops!" puppy. Purebred X bitch got out and mated with purebred Y stud and poof, you get a half-breed litter. It happens more often then you'd think.

Lab-Hound is an awesome mix, temperament of a lab, but the smarts of a hound. Great dog. Mixing breeds from two different groups cancels out all the recessives in a single generation, and you get a healthy dog that will live a long time. It use the old genetics concept of "Hybrid Vigor". My half-breed dog, according to weight/age charts for dogs, lived to be 112 and was great right up until the very end when old age finally got him. He was never sick a day in his life.

The trick seems to be to mate breeds that are not closely related, but not too distantly related either. It seems like if the breeds are too distantly related, there be monsters. So, it's more art than science.

So, screw purebred, halfies FTW!

 

[MG-34]

The same applies to humans, which is why Ethan Ralph exists.

And the beast has two kids with two seperate moms. As applebees man would put it: A white nigger.

 

[Windows 10 Upgrade]

They're doing the same with German Shepherds, that fucking low back and displaced hip

Although to be fair to those who don't subscribe to the "miscegenation is bad" crowd, it's cross-breeding that is GOOD for dogs, helps them revert back to their true chad-wolf type. Inbreeding for traits only fucks them up.

 

[SITHRAK!]

It’s not just dogs. If you look at a Siamese cat from Thailand, where the breed originated, they are still sleek, long-boned and muscular, but their faces are much rounder, their ears smaller, and their muzzles shorter.

The British were the first Europeans to get Siamese cats and have bred them to have larger ears, and a more elongated and angular head, but still very similar to the original breed.

The American version of the Siamese has followed a written breed standard which emphasizes an elongated, angular head and large ears, with the result that US-line Siamese look like freakish caricatures of the British line. It’s quite disturbing.

All Siamese carry genes that can partially express in crossed eyes and kinked tails, part-expressing recessive genes that are pleiotropic with the genes that cause the animals to develop darker fur on the cooler areas of their bodies, and hence their characteristic patterns. Breeders have been trying to get the crossed-eye and kinked-tail genes out of the bloodlines for countless generations. Some fucking lunatic I read about has been deliberately breeding Siamese for the crossed-eye trait. Why? Probably for ‘cuteness’ or ‘novelty’, with deformed cats such as Scottish Folds, munchkins, Manxes and random others (like ’Tard the Grumpy Cat’) being promoted as cute or funny. Not much consideration of the animal’s health, though.

Basically, the fault lies not so much with the breeders as it does with the guidelines, breed standards, and judges, all of whom conspire to reward breeders that continually breed to exaggerate the desirable ‘defining’ phenotypical expressions. Judges especially are at fault as many of them are breeders themselves, and quite cliquey: anyone presenting a Siamese of the Thai or British conformity at a US show would be laughed out of the pavilion, despite these lines being true to the actual breed.

 

[Manul Otocolobus]

It’s not just dogs. If you look at a Siamese cat from Thailand, where the breed originated, they are still sleek, long-boned and muscular, but their faces are much rounder, their ears smaller, and their muzzles shorter.

In the cat world they are known as "Traditional" or "Apple-Head" Siamese since their heads are rounder.

It's like the American Persian vs. True Persian. The American Persian looks like it was smashed into a wall as a kitten. The True Persian, also known as the "Doll-Face Persian" has a proper nose and does not suffer from all of the issues that the severely brachycephalic American Persian does.

When it comes to cats, I believe 100% in shelter/found/stray cats. Best cats I've ever had were shelter/found cats.

 

[Weed Eater]

The trick to dealing with this is getting a half-breed "Oops!" puppy. Purebred X bitch got out and mated with purebred Y stud and poof, you get a half-breed litter. It happens more often then you'd think.

Lab-Hound is an awesome mix, temperament of a lab, but the smarts of a hound. Great dog. Mixing breeds from two different groups cancels out all the recessives in a single generation, and you get a healthy dog that will live a long time. It use the old genetics concept of "Hybrid Vigor". My half-breed dog, according to weight/age charts for dogs, lived to be 112 and was great right up until the very end when old age finally got him. He was never sick a day in his life.

The trick seems to be to mate breeds that are not closely related, but not too distantly related either. It seems like if the breeds are too distantly related, there be monsters. So, it's more art than science.

So, screw purebred, halfies FTW!

Thank fuck someone beat me to this!

It's all 100% true. Purebreds have caused more problems in breed genetics than what "mutts" have ever done. If people think dogs have it bad, then they should look into purebred racing horses and the bullshit of that. Certain horse breeds are more or less pure incest babies now because the rich idiots trying to breed out the "best of the best" for racing are only wanting to use frozen sperm from certain studs in the industry. Some of the "newer" studs that have been born aren't even new, they're just the sons of past, older studs, so the genetics in studs/mares are not getting mixed up anymore, creating the worst of genetic problems.