Why do you think God put us in this insufferable existence? is there a plan in mind

Perhaps he set a certain system in motion and that system has to run this way. If he messes with it too much to make too many miracles or good fortune it throws the whole thing out of whack and destroys the point of existence on this particular plane. There may be other planes with different rules. Who knows.

There has to be some balance or it all breaks down. The universe has rules after all. Even Zeus had to defer to the will of the Fates. If you weild too much power and just fix or smite everything just to make it better maybe you aren't making it better after all. Remember that episode of Futurama where Bender becomes God?

"When you do things right no one will know you did anything at all".

Maybe when things go right we just don't notice as much because it's so subtle. Maybe our free will just hasn't caught up to God's concept of what he wanted it to be. We're willing the wrong stuff and mucking it up. If we don't fix it ourselves we will never learn and move on to whatever comes next. So the point of existence becomes rather pointless if we're doing it wrong.
 
What if it was humans who have created this mess and nothing to do with why this world is so bad based on a god's actions at all? whether you argue free will, evolution of behavior or some other factor whether a god exists or not it seems to be squarely we as humans have made this fucked up world, and irresponsibility is allowing it to continuously slide further and further into madness.
 
Mewtwo_Rain said:
What if it was humans who have created this mess and nothing to do with why this world is so bad based on a god's actions at all? whether you argue free will, evolution of behavior or some other factor whether a god exists or not it seems to be squarely we as humans have made this fucked up world, and irresponsibility is allowing it to continuously slide further and further into madness.
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that is probably right, still, why would God send me to planet where humans are that retarded
 
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Brightstar777 said:
that is probably right, still, why would God send me to planet where humans are that retarded
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I've posed myself that same question many nights, assuming I was sent here instead of this is the only world and just happen to be in the worst timeline, most people don't realize how we ended up at this retard ride.
 
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But what if... there's no God?
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The universe really couldn’t order itself without having contained information prior to existing. Like, what determines that matter adheres to the fundamental forces of physics? If it didn’t, then creation would have been a sneeze of dust that dissipated endlessly.

So, at the moment matter came into being, it had a set of instructions to perform.

Aquinas’ third proof: whatever instructed matter is god
 
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due the limit of souls reincarnating as rothschild or any other jewish billionaires life would seem hellish to the most of us but for the top 10% its like living as walking gods among plebs, so the better question to ask why aren't YOU reincarnated as a rothschild?
 
Because it's distinctly possible that whatever diety created reality, might be a sadist. I mean you don't fill the universe with this much comically improbable suffering for no reason. This hell did not proliferate naturally, what we're living in is not the product of cosmic random chaos. It's designed this way. We suffer for someone's entertainment.
 
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Brightstar777 said:
that is probably right, still, why would God send me to planet where humans are that retarded
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He didn't send you. He didn't send anybody. He simply made the world and granted us the rights. Whatever happens as you exist, he simply judges and intervenes as he deems correct and leaves you with the final choice. Whether you find and imprint a meaning falls to you.
 
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Religious people will say "Bad things happening" is a bad argument, and either post a wojack or make some declaration about free will.

However, it is a great arguement. An all powerful God could simple not do such things and Free Will makes no sense. They act as though people are knowingly rejecting God instead of just not believing it or that they knowingly pick the wrong sect (1/50,000 chance in the case of Chirstianity) when their sect is so obvious.

Its very obvious that religion is a cultural expression most people inherit from their parents that has developed and changed over millennia to adapt to society.

Regardless of the problem of evil, its already been answered:


“Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.”​

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