Why is autogynephilia so common in the nerd community?

Merton J. Dingle

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Yeah, we know that many of those people are autistic, but other autistic people outside of the online nerd community don't usually don the wig and pop the pills, so what else is it? It can't just be porn addiction, can it?
 
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I wouldn't say its the "nerd" community, there are many STEM types who are perfectly well-adjusted in spite of being aspies. They have their quirks, obsessions, and oddities, but they're not AGP.

AGP is more common in the "terminally online" community, which is why nerds who exist IRL and have well-adjusted and healthy relationships with others seldom ever have this problem.

Terminally online people, from my view, are largely lonely, unconfident, poorly socialized, meek, and otherwise generally incapable of having functional and normal relationships with other people. Many of these people are traumatized and had poor up-bringings, poor parenting, or abusive parents. At least that's the origin story of most of the people I know who...
I wouldn't say its the "nerd" community, there are many STEM types who are perfectly well-adjusted in spite of being aspies. They have their quirks, obsessions, and oddities, but they're not AGP.

AGP is more common in the "terminally online" community, which is why nerds who exist IRL and have well-adjusted and healthy relationships with others seldom ever have this problem.

Terminally online people, from my view, are largely lonely, unconfident, poorly socialized, meek, and otherwise generally incapable of having functional and normal relationships with other people. Many of these people are traumatized and had poor up-bringings, poor parenting, or abusive parents. At least that's the origin story of most of the people I know who spend more than 5 hours a day on a desktop computer.

AGP is a very nice catch-all solution. Being a woman makes you innately desirable: It makes you "pretty", thus shedding the lack of confidence. Its more socially acceptable for women to be expressive and emotional (a trait I see a lot in the terminally online is that they're very feelings-centric people even if they won't admit it). Being a woman, at least in the west, makes you the one to be chased after. Most dangerously, given that most of these people are blackpilled on dating, making yourself a woman would work to get yourself a woman to oggle at and experience.

Trannyism is also very popular and is the most presented solution, but the goal of being desired, cared for, acted upon, can be seen in other expressions too. A lot of weird BDSM culture, which the terminally online are into, revolves around this and very well could be the outlet of choice if cutting your cock off wasn't shoved into everyone's faces 24/7.

I think trauma in particular, especially regarding not being parented right or having problems with never being cared for, might be the biggest soft spot that makes people entertain AGP as a life style.

tl;dr: people who spend too much time online tend to have unmet needs and lots of mental illness. AGP fills a hole in that by turning the nasty internet people into sexy, desirable, and lovable creatures. At least that's what they think in their head.
 
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I think person up there is possibly correct. In some cases it's the tism, but terminal online-ness seems to help.

Not only are these people alone and have other issues, but I believe that people's chronic interactions with the internet leads to a level of removal from one's self; therefore it's much easier for these people's heads to get scrambled in such a way that their sexuality turns inwards. Plus for nerds, even if they aren't autistic they often have more intense and vivid internal fantasies, that just goes along with having more active mental hardware.

AGP is something that's almost definitely existed throughout history, but it's only now that we've got lonely, fantasy-predisposed dorks who can engross themselves in a virtual life as a kawaii anime girl online that it's becoming a more pronounced phenomenon.

I'm sure porn does help lubricate (sorry) the entire process though.
 
All of the above, plus:

- Being terminally online, where you can represent yourself however you want, leads people to feel a weakened sense of association with their real life body and face and appearance and identity, and conversely feel like they're literally the anime avatar they use to represent themselves

- Reality rejects their delusions on a fundamental, physical level -- no matter how much the zog bends over backwards for them, the mirror will never lie to them -- so they retreat to fantasy escapist pursuits like video games and fiction to hide

- Estrogens -- both the prescription kind and the exogenous xenoestrogens that are feminizing men and contributing to the development of these delusions in the first place -- make you lazy and sedentary, so they develop lazy and sedentary hobbies

- Visceral fat increases aromatase expression, which converts androgens into estrogens. Basically being fat makes you gay, and being a nerd makes you fat, ergo being a nerd makes you fat and gay.
 
All these big essay posts except for this
but I believe that people's chronic interactions with the internet leads to a level of removal from one's self; therefore it's much easier for these people's heads to get scrambled in such a way that their sexuality turns inwards
seem to be about wanting to be a woman in general and not the idea of being turned on by having a vagina, which, from my understanding, is what Autogynephilia is. I would say it's probably a combination of what Ultrapenguin said here coupled with a higher likelihood of having a porn addiction. If you're by yourself on a computer a lot without a lot of human interaction, you probably look at a lot of porn and you probably also talk to yourself a lot. I could see that shit combined with the depersonalization Ultrapenguin describes leading to some kind of self fetishizing that eventually becomes AGP.
 
It's the old tale of narcissus falling in love with his own reflection but instead of a reflection it's a fantasy avatar they pretend they can insert themselves into. Virtual worlds attract this sort of person. As does geeky hobbies where a lot of roleplay may go on to some capacity (cosplay, roleplay games, etc.) A chicken and egg situation?
 
the idea of being turned on by having a vagina, which, from my understanding, is what Autogynephilia is.
No. "gyne" doesn't mean "vagina", it's from the greek "gyno" meaning woman, e.g. gynoid vs android, gynecomastia, etc. They don't give a fuck about having a vagina, otherwise that would be step 1 instead of the very last thing most of them do before killing themselves. Most of them would rather be a "woman" with a penis than a man with a "vagina".

I forgot to mention another common motivation which is that for many of them its a conjunction of misogyny and a humiliation fetish. They see being a woman as inherently degrading and humiliating because they hate women because they're incels, but they also hate themselves, so they fetishize being a woman as a form of degredation.

It really is a fascinating phenomenon, I wouldn't mind studying them and trying to figure out a cure if that wasn't a thought crime.
 
It's anime. The logic is "Why do I have to be a boring guy when I could be a cute anime girl." Why do you think they dye their hair and wear the programming socks. The don't want to be a woman, they want to be an anime girl.
Yeah.
They consume a lot of "slice of life" anime, which predominantly features cute girls doing cute things.
A lot of men (especially the terminally online) want to do cute things, and only having reference for cute girls doing cute things makes them believe they have to become a cute girl to do cute things.
Doesn't help that 99% of activities are cute things (or rather, what counts for "cute things" in shitty SoL slop), and men are demonized for doing anything women are doing, and women can and do do everything men do. Becoming a woman looks like a ticket to get to do all the stuff they wanna do and are dissuaded from doing.
 
No. "gyne" doesn't mean "vagina", it's from the greek "gyno" meaning woman, e.g. gynoid vs android, gynecomastia, etc. They don't give a fuck about having a vagina, otherwise that would be step 1 instead of the very last thing most of them do before killing themselves. Most of them would rather be a "woman" with a penis than a man with a "vagina".
Fair enough. I never really cared much about the distinction. Either way I think they're delusional brain rotted freaks.
I forgot to mention another common motivation which is that for many of them its a conjunction of misogyny and a humiliation fetish. They see being a woman as inherently degrading and humiliating because they hate women because they're incels, but they also hate themselves, so they fetishize being a woman as a form of degredation.

It really is a fascinating phenomenon, I wouldn't mind studying them and trying to figure out a cure if that wasn't a thought crime.
There's a reason why so many of them also have cuckold fetishes but I don't think it's always hatred towards women. I think many of them are actually disgusted by women. I remember reading somewhere about how a lot of fetishes are actually things people deep down are disgusted by but their brain changes the disgust to arousal after enough exposure as a way to cope with it or something along those lines. I think they're disgusted by women and disgusted by themselves for being the way they are and for being disgusted by women.

I still think a large part of it comes down to porn though. I find a lot of porn disgusting, just in general but especially fetish shit. I feel like there's a lot of people out there, even people that look at porn a lot that also subconsciously find it disgusting. I think in the case of a lot of these incel types that subconscious disgust towards porn is channeled towards women and themselves instead. But because they're pornsick, they become aroused by their disgust and they end up wanting to become what disgusts and arouses them the most.
 
I remember reading somewhere about how a lot of fetishes are actually things people deep down are disgusted by but their brain changes the disgust to arousal after enough exposure as a way to cope with it or something along those lines. I think they're disgusted by women and disgusted by themselves for being the way they are and for being disgusted by women.
I think it's moreso that people repress things they think they should find disgusting, and it conversely becomes a forbidden fruit thing. I remember reading that as a hypothesis for why so many hyper masculine gym bros and military guys and big fat fuck bubbas turn out to be closet cross dressers, because they grew up in an environment where acknowledging any semblance of femininity in themselves was verboten so instead it gets bottled up until it can't be contained anymore; or they swing from one extreme to another because the refusal to acknowledge the existence of a grey area makes them believe that the mere presence of femininity in them indicates that they're entirely feminine, or whatever. Or it simply gets relegated to something they engage in in secret.

And I won't power level but the weird shit women are into often directly corresponds to the things they claim to oppose. Many such cases. It's all a refusal to integrate the shadow.

But yes pornsickness is the lowest common denominator amongst trannies, and more broadly Internet addiction. If you destroyed the Internet 85% of them would detransition or kill themselves in a matter of months.
 
"Autism."
Being a nerd (not a smart weird guy but a fucking nerd) and being a troon are both morbidities of image management, sort of scary costumes. Believing you have a beautiful "true self" that others can't but should recognize, you present yourself as perversely/punishingly as you can, with unsettling ugliness, stenches, antisocial demands, gotcha rules, etc.
There's more going on with both types, but that's the overlap that eases the nerd-to-troon transition.
 
I like this thread, we should have one in stinkditch that attempts to concisely and comprehensively identify all the hypotheses/factors that contribute to trooning out. Would need a very dedicated OP to parse it all and keep it up to date.
 
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