Why KF Isn't Really a "Bullying" Site

[skykiii]

Kinda spinning off from other topics, and one in particular where I kept seeing attempts to redefine "bullying."

The argument was basically that there's such a thing as "constructive bullying" which is actually done for "good" reasons, which...

Let's be honest: Nobody is saying that because they actually believe it--I don't think Batman villains are known to post on KF after all--but entirely because KF (or at least the Autistic Thunderdome section) has a lot of people who for some reason need to convince themselves "I'm actually a good guy."

See threads like this for example.

Not to blow myself (sorry for the mental image) but there's two reasons I'm not blinded by the "constructive bullying" cope. One is--as per my own post in the affor-linked topic--I don't worry too much about whether I'm perceived as good. That is ultimately God's call to make, not mine. I just do what I like doing.

Secondly... no, KF is not a bullying site by any reasonable metric.

Because even if I buy the "constructive bullying" nonsense, baked into the very idea is that bullying is something you have no choice but to experience.

And also baked into the nature of KF is that you have to seek it out to even read the gossip being posted here. If Chris-chan or whoever has ever seen this forum, chances are he had to seek it out. Nobody is holding a gun to his head and forcing him to read the topics about him.

So can we please have an end to this hand-wringing about "am I actually a good person" now?

 

[Feefee81093]

Constructive bullying is kinda like what Casey attempted to do with calling Chris fat and trying to get him off fast food. Micromanaging in a serious context is kind of lame. Like why does anyone care enough what other people are doing to let it dictate their own lives.

On the other hand it's funny when Cobra trolls pay Danny Filth to tell Josh to brush his teeth. It's like they found a way to get his idol to make a positive suggestion. There's an artistry to it that makes the overall arch funny.

 

[Skitarii]

Yes it is you son of a bitch

 

[The Backwards Man]

I am actually a good person comparable to Jesus 2.0 because the people I gossip about and cyberbully on this evil nazi doxxing website are usually horrible people, or retards who deserve it.

 

[AgendaPoster]

If it's not a bullying website, we have failed; and measures must be taken to bring back in line the smolbean uWus that are wildin' 'round here

 

[Ealen]

I feel like for it to be considered bullying, there needs to be active interference with the subject's personal life. Having a thread about someone is not really bullying unless they join and get dunked on as a result. Some threads fit the description a bit better though. For example, the Patrick Tomlinson thread is a lot more antagonistic than a lot of other threads, but even then, all the "harassment" happens off site and a lot of the posters come from other communities.

 

[The Reddest Red 0ne]

I think the big reason it’s not a bullying site is-and I’m pretty sure Null has expressed similar sentiments-if you choose to upload videos or other content (including tweets and other text-based media) to the internet, you become a public figure and there’s nothing wrong with people choosing to discuss you. Good discussion or bad is not relevant, that’s just part of free speech online. Obviously if that extends to offline “harassment” or anything more extreme/malicious then that’s another story. It’s really quite simple though.

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

Kiwi Farms' stated purpose is to watch people act like idiots on the internet. We do not interfere, because as Josh has said numerous times, watching someone trip and blame others for tripping is funny; breaking their knees and watching them scream is not. We collect and archive publicly available information for the purposes of discussion and mockery- purposes well within our rights. Sometimes, our collection uncovers criminal mischief; multiple people (like Nick Bates and the monkey abusers) were sent to prison because of the information we found.

Otherwise, if someone with obvious mental illness continually posts about how they're really Jesus Christ and they're going to smite Russia, we will archive and poke fun at their schizophrenia. It's neither in our purview nor our responsibility to get them help. That being said, we always make sure we operate within the bounds of the law; Kiwi Farms does not host child pornography or pirated materials, nor do we ignore obvious crimes being committed by our lolcows.

Kiwi Farms is considered a "bullying website" because of our irreverent site culture and the fact that we don't respect cultural sacred cows, particularly movements predicated on how oppressed they are (BLM, feminism, the manosphere, transgenderism, etc.) The common thread in all of those movements is that the claim they are oppressed which therefore means nobody is allowed to mock or criticize them. They use bullying tactics and logical fallacies, particularly motte and bailey arguments, to get their way and silence legitimate criticism. Kiwi Farms, being hosted and run by a fat lunatic with no assets to threaten, is largely immune to their threats, and so continues to host mockery of them.

As multiple threads attest, many lolcows belonging to these movements have shady or illegal activities they'd love to bury (i.e. Keffals selling bathtub estrogen, or Liz Fong-Jones' "consent accident"). This gives such cows a very personal and urgent reason to take us down.

But, I digress.

Here is a definition of bullying from the official US government website stopbullying.gov:

Bullying is unwanted, aggressive behavior among school aged children that involves a real or perceived power imbalance. The behavior is repeated, or has the potential to be repeated, over time. Both kids who are bullied and who bully others may have serious, lasting problems.

In order to be considered bullying, the behavior must be aggressive and include:

• An Imbalance of Power: Kids who bully use their power—such as physical strength, access to embarrassing information, or popularity—to control or harm others. Power imbalances can change over time and in different situations, even if they involve the same people.
• Repetition: Bullying behaviors happen more than once or have the potential to happen more than once.
• Bullying includes actions such as making threats, spreading rumors, attacking someone physically or verbally, and excluding someone from a group on purpose.

Aside from the fact that minors aren't allowed to use this website and are immediately banned when they're discovered, our behavior doesn't match the three criteria given:

• We have no interest in controlling or harming the lives of our lolcows; that's not funny. In fact, several users fought to prevent a lolcow from being controlled and harmed (Chris-Chan and the Idea Guys), and admitting to contacting or manipulating a cow's behavior is a bannable offense; at the least, it leads to mockery and disapproval from the community.
• Repetition: Again, we do not contact cows. That is the purview of other forums (i.e. ONA Forums); we simply document it. Besides, in the words of Saul Alinsky: A tactic that drags on becomes a drag. Repeated external stimulation of a lolcow decreases the humor of their behavior. Patrick Tomlinson is a perfect case study; he went from writing custom mockery to his trolls to repeatedly saying "Prison awaits."
• Aside from our "no contact" rule, Kiwi Farms holds itself to a high standard; aside from parody, speculation, and memes, we don't post information about lolcows unless it's true. For example, we won't accuse a lolcow of being a child molester without proof- either by their own admission, or by discovering court documents. If what we posted was just nonsense, nobody would care; what drives lolcows up the wall is that the information we have on them is true.

The one and only exception to our no contact rule is when a lolcow joins the forum directly to defend their honor; in that one, specific case, contact with the lolcow's forum account is permitted. Contacting them off the site is still forbidden.

Ultimately, the problem people have with Kiwi Farms isn't that we're a bullying website; we hold up a mirror to lolcows, and they don't like what the mirror shows.

Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.

tldr: sneed

 

[Meat Target]

I think the big reason it’s not a bullying site is-and I’m pretty sure Null has expressed similar sentiments-if you choose to upload videos or other content (including tweets and other text-based media) to the internet, you become a public figure and there’s nothing wrong with people choosing to discuss you. Good discussion or bad is not relevant, that’s just part of free speech online. Obviously if that extends to offline “harassment” or anything more extreme/malicious then that’s another story. It’s really quite simple though.

We don't share anything lolcows don't share in public themselves. We're hated for the same reason Libs of TikTok and Andy Ngo are hated: we tell the truth about people by quoting them verbatim.

In any other time, the subjects of our discussions would be in prison or the insane asylum. We are normal people laughing at freaks. But now it's mean and bullying to say anything bad about freaks and rejects.

We are slandered by the Lugenpresse as a "stalking and harassment site" because we take their sacred lolcows and roast them on the grill. If people knew the truth, this site would be as mainstream as 2000's South Park.

Our laughter is iconoclasm and blasphemy to the Clown World Regime. Ridicule is a powerful weapon, and they know it. We refuse the humiliation ritual of playing into trannies' delusions of womanhood, and that scares them to death.

ETA: ninaj'd by @Sexy Senior Citizen.

 

[Audit]

This is a bullying site and that's a good thing. Bullies are just humanity's natural response to fools and the mechanism through which further foolishness is discouraged. Take out the bullies and it would be like letting rats loose on an island without predators.

 

[raspberry mocha]

People here don't a-log or cowtip. They just observe and record what people post on the internet about themselves, and all for free. And besides, why is cyberbullying exclusive to this website? Some of the worst internet pile-ons have been carried out on more public websites, led by people unafraid to use their real names and professional platforms. The entire internet is a "bullying site." It's funny how many years the internet has been with us and people still haven't learned not to post something retarded online.

 

[Grub]

Constructive bullying is real. Anyone who's ever worked in any kind of trade or blue collar work can attest to this. If the noob doesn't know how to use a drill without breaking his wrist, you bully him until he gets it right.

 

[Kiwisee]

• Aside from our "no contact" rule, Kiwi Farms holds itself to a high standard; aside from parody, speculation, and memes, we don't post information about lolcows unless it's true. For example, we won't accuse a lolcow of being a child molester without proof- either by their own admission, or by discovering court documents. If what we posted was just nonsense, nobody would care; what drives lolcows up the wall is that the information we have on them is true. [quote\]

this is something I haven’t considered, but it’s true. Thanks to the MeToo era, we don’t really take out of context discord caps or social media callouts as proof anymore.

Generally, if someone makes an allegation we tend to keep an eye on the accuser to look out for red flags of them being vindictive, malicious actors

 

[DumbDude43]

the people we talk about are celebrities and public figures
our activities consist of pointing at the retarded shit they post on the internet and laughing at how retarded it is

this simply doesn't have anything to do with actual bullying, which happens IRL, between people who know each other, and usually takes place in an environment where the victim isn't free to leave (school, work, prison etc)

kf is a celebrity gossip forum. occasionally random retards show up with personal army requests ("dox my classmate!" type shit) and they get laughed out of the room because nobody here is interested in their personal beefs and vendettas.

 

[The Reddest Red 0ne]

 

[Replica 21]

I see it as a site to talk shit about people who post too much online. It's only considered bullying probably because they're not getting the same "validating" reactions from people seeing their cringe posts that aren't kids or bots.

 

[Lemmingwiser]

kiwifarm investigated kiwifarm and found no wrongdoing

 

[ConsentAccidentVictimNo98]

kiwifarm investigated kiwifarm and found no wrongdoing

factcheck: kiwifarm actually found that kiwifarm did not go far enough

 

[Lemmingwiser]

Community notes: This was debunked.

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

Constructive bullying is real. Anyone who's ever worked in any kind of trade or blue collar work can attest to this. If the noob doesn't know how to use a drill without breaking his wrist, you bully him until he gets it right.

I don't know if I'd call that bullying though, that's more like constructive hazing or something. Bullying is more like harassing someone you think is weaker than you just to be a dick.

I.e. punching down because you're compensating for something.