Will AI make future generations retarded?

[Glowie]

Others have pointed it out by now.

AI as at the point where it can do math homework, correct essays, process research papers and work on menial tasks that are supposed to help students to learn, hone their math, chemistry and physics skills.

AI can niw translate, write, and correct grammar of written essays.

Graduation rates are all time low with people pushed out of public school system, given passing grades. Resulting in people with lack of experience to do anything meaningful or get tertiary education.

Even now some people resolve using calculators to do basic multiplication and algebra with graphic calculators. Masses of borderline illiterate mouthbreahers end on welfare and psychiatric medication and go through troon pipeline in worst cases.

I'm not sharpest tool in the shed as someone with history in medicine, I can see more retards just going about their lives using AIs and robots as crutches to compensate fot their lack of intelligence and ability.

Am I being doomer or is it possible that humans are becoming more dependent on technology while their bodies and minds stagnate as clown world goes to hell?

 

[Smug]

is it possible that humans are becoming more dependent on technology while their bodies and minds stagnate

That's a thing that's been happening for decades already. Every new quality of life convenience robs you of independent utility to some extent if relied on.

That doesn't mean that it's necessarily a bad trade-off. For example, having a car might mean that I'm exercising less than I would be if I had to walk everywhere, but being able to travel hundreds of kilometres in a day is a good trade-off for that.

Many people will more and more let AI do tasks for them and fail to learn how to do those tasks themselves. That doesn't mean you have to. You just need to put in the extra effort to understand how to do a given task without being prompted to (in the same way you'd learn mental math before ever relying on a calculator) - that way when an AI fails to do it correctly (or you fail to prompt it correctly), you'll notice and be able to correct it.

 

[LurkTrawl]

Humans including you and me have been retarded for far longer than the written word and will continue to be approximately as retarded as we are now long into the future.

 

[AgendaPoster]

Depends on what you perceive as human. AI will most likely be integrated inside the next generations, it won't be an external tool for sure, as proximity means higher speed and advances in neurosurgery and chip manufacturing make the fusion all but inevitable.

 

[Toolbox]

Just like with the internet it will give advantages to those few that will use the tool properly but many, many more will fall to convenience rather than use it as leverage. More of the population will know less while fewer will know more than past generations. I don't think this pattern will necessarily continue forever as it's unsustainable but society will have to reach some breaking point before things actually get better.

 

[Glowie]

Depends on what you perceive as human. AI will most likely be integrated inside the next generations, it won't be an external tool for sure, as proximity means higher speed and advances in neurosurgery and chip manufacturing make the fusion all but inevitable.

Only the well off would afford transhumanist neurosurgeries. Creating futher division and retarded ghetto trash masses.

World economy being what it is, wars, etc contribute to the roadblock as well. Not to forget the entire cultures with 80 IQ that only make the decline worse.

Neurosurgery will be only available to elites, military puppets and the rich.

Society do not want greatness, considerable achievements or intelligence. Mediocrity and dependence on the powers that be will be norm for the majority.

Unless AI becomes cheap as dirt to produce on industrial levels, fusion would be impossible.

At this stage, humanity is declining into two class tech dystopia through slow and painful process.

Not to mention the inevitable fights to wars if it comes down to that, assuming that humanity won't nuke itself before that.

 

[Divine right to rule]

Current generations are retarded already.

 

[Ultrapenguin]

I don't know if it will just because I don't see it being sustainable enough to make future generations retarded.

Humans including you and me have been retarded for far longer than the written word and will continue to be approximately as retarded as we are now long into the future.

Yes but they could at least biologically function as human beings.

Consider that doing basic things like interfacing with the physical world is becoming pretty dicey. An organism that can't even fulfill the basic requirements to propagate its species would qualify as exceptionally retarded to me.

Many people will more and more let AI do tasks for them and fail to learn how to do those tasks themselves. That doesn't mean you have to. You just need to put in the extra effort to understand how to do a given task without being prompted to (in the same way you'd learn mental math before ever relying on a calculator) - that way when an AI fails to do it correctly (or you fail to prompt it correctly), you'll notice and be able to correct it.

But to an extent you do have to, because the human mind has limitations, and a person has to be functionally efficient in the context of their environment.

That's the dilemma that's become increasingly present. Technology balloons exponentially, meaning the number of things you have to put in extra effort to understand in order to remain independent without being left behind balloons with it, at an exponential rate.

We are reaching a point where you would have to be a transcendental-level genius to be able to not only maintain workable knowledge of old systems and ways, but also newer systems and ways enough to be socially literate, and most importantly to do all that efficiently enough to be competitive against people who go all in on new systems and completely dismiss older ones.

And in the end, the effort you're putting in could well be useless because it's hedged against the idea of modern systems failing.
If they don't, even that transcendental-level genius who puts in the effort to hold onto the old ways will, with 100% certainty over time, eventually be superseded by crowds of middling idiots who fully embrace the transhumanist collective, since no matter how superior you are still a human only has so much time, energy, and brain power to invest across however many fields of knowledge.

Like I said originally though, I'm willing to take that bet on modern systems failing (or at least receding) in the not so distant future.

 

[Stephanie Bustcakes]

Will writing make future generations retarded?

Others have pointed it out by now.

Writing is as at the point where you can write down numerals, write prose, write down what you've heard and work on menial poems that are supposed to help students to learn how to memorize epic poems like Homer's Iliad.

Writing can now record, write, and correct grammar of spoken essays.

Graduation rates are all time low with people pushed out of Plato's academy, given passing grades. Resulting in people with lack of experience to do anything meaningful or get tertiary education.

Even now some people resolve writing numerals to do basic multiplication and algebra with clay tablets. Masses of borderline literate mouthbreathers end as beggars and drunkards and go through eunuch pipeline in worst cases.

I'm not sharpest tool in the shed as someone with history in witch doctoring, I can see more simpletons just going about their lives using reading and writing as crutches to compensate for their lack of intelligence and ability.

Am I being doomer or is it possible that humans are becoming more dependent on technology while their bodies and minds stagnate as jester world goes to Tartarus?

 

[LurkTrawl]

Yes but they could at least biologically function as human beings.

Consider that doing basic things like interfacing with the physical world is becoming pretty dicey. An organism that can't even fulfill the basic requirements to propagate its species would qualify as exceptionally retarded to me.

I agree but consider that the people that you see online in social media are the ones dumb enough or idle enough to be on social media in the first place. I remember a stat from a few years ago that only 1/5 people use Twitter.

That and I think being able to see more of what common people are like, more than ever before, gives people an assumption that this is a new phenomenon. Think about it, most of history isn't about what the peasants were up to, you know? I'm thinking that we just see more of the ugliness, not that there's more of it. Plus there's more people alive right now than ever were at any point in history prior by several orders of magnitude which inflates the perception of how much retardation there is amongst the general populace on average.

As far as technology specifically making people more retarded, I think technology has gotten more retarded to suit people's baseline cognitive ability, not the other way around, and I contend that it'll remain that way. Smart phones and tablets are what I'd point to for evidence of that, as well as social media taking over as the predominant medium for internet discussion over old-school forums like the farms.

Put another way, before the internet you'd have to go to a library and check out encyclopedias or have them on-hand for generalized knowledge and the general populace had little to no interest in learning beyond initial schooling. What we're seeing now in the populace, I think, is the natural extension of that. I don't particularly worry about much with regards to humanity and our future wrt this, I'm more worried about the lack of financial or political capital involved in shit like becoming a multiplanetary species.

 

[Cats]

"future generations"

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Will writing make future generations retarded?

Others have pointed it out by now.

Writing is as at the point where you can write down numerals, write prose, write down what you've heard and work on menial poems that are supposed to help students to learn how to memorize epic poems like Homer's Iliad.

Writing can now record, write, and correct grammar of spoken essays.

Graduation rates are all time low with people pushed out of Plato's academy, given passing grades. Resulting in people with lack of experience to do anything meaningful or get tertiary education.

Even now some people resolve writing numerals to do basic multiplication and algebra with clay tablets. Masses of borderline literate mouthbreathers end as beggars and drunkards and go through eunuch pipeline in worst cases.

I'm not sharpest tool in the shed as someone with history in witch doctoring, I can see more simpletons just going about their lives using reading and writing as crutches to compensate for their lack of intelligence and ability.

Am I being doomer or is it possible that humans are becoming more dependent on technology while their bodies and minds stagnate as jester world goes to Tartarus?

This is a stupid comparison.

 

[Toolbox]

This is a stupid comparison.

Exactly. Writing was a fundamentally new thing that allowed humans to convey ideas and store them more permanently. AI as it has been for the past several years is just a way to automate existing things and make them entirely obsolete. Writing did not make speaking obsolete. It was a complimentary system. AI can be used this way but it is a lot easier to simply lose certain skills in society as a computer can replicate them, fundamentally making people able to do less aka stupider. Most people will take the route of the convenient and societally skills will be lost in the same way most people cannot survive in the wild, but this could be worse.

 

[Stephanie Bustcakes]

This is a stupid comparison.

Exactly. Writing was a fundamentally new thing that allowed humans to convey ideas and store them more permanently. AI as it has been for the past several years is just a way to automate existing things and make them entirely obsolete. Writing did not make speaking obsolete. It was a complimentary system. AI can be used this way but it is a lot easier to simply lose certain skills in society as a computer can replicate them, fundamentally making people able to do less aka stupider. Most people will take the route of the convenient and societally skills will be lost in the same way most people cannot survive in the wild, but this could be worse.

Do you guys not know Socrates? I was merely comparing people's attitudes about ai to his about writing. He argued that writing does make people dumber, and not that it made speaking obsolete, as you seem to have misread from my post, but instead; memory. https://newlearningonline.com/liter...-on-the-forgetfulness-that-comes-with-writing Not saying I agree with either the ai or writing stances, but there are definitely parallels between them, and he isn't entirely wrong. I mean, how many 15,693 line poems has the average university graduate memorized? This same argument could also be made about how spell check has effected people's spelling.

 

[NOT Satoshi Nakamoto]

Yeah probably (see thepost above me), but it's only a drop in the bucket compared to drinking polluted water, eating industrial waste byproducts, irradiating the brain with EMR, interbreeding with feral animals, or any of the other plethora of America's dysgenic cultural traditions.

However AI has also helped with bioinformatics and corrective genetics research, so it could have good consequences. Once the singularity is reached the gangster computer god should realize it needs much better meatbags to keep it running, so that'll probably be good.

 

[Colon capital V]

Bro people have been saying the same thing about how using Google "makes you dumber" and even longer with how people obtain information on things.

 

[Shallow Wave]

Assuming the education systems worldwide weren't broken and useless in the first place, for most specializations. Nobody likes writing speeches or essays, before ai there was wikipedia, before wikipedia there were people whod do it for money. Pretending that people never found a way around writing 50+ pages worth of water noone would read anyway says more about you than about students that generate themselves homework.

 

[Glowie]

Exactly. Writing was a fundamentally new thing that allowed humans to convey ideas and store them more permanently. AI as it has been for the past several years is just a way to automate existing things and make them entirely obsolete. Writing did not make speaking obsolete. It was a complimentary system. AI can be used this way but it is a lot easier to simply lose certain skills in society as a computer can replicate them, fundamentally making people able to do less aka stupider. Most people will take the route of the convenient and societally skills will be lost in the same way most people cannot survive in the wild, but this could be worse.

People had to learn to write, learn multiple languages in antiquity to trade between empires and continents appropriately.

Same applied to mathematic, geometric and other equations that were very much needed.
Ancient empires from China, Egypt and Rome had people invent and come up with ways to build fortifications and monuments that stand the test of time.

Sure empires rose and fell like every society. They got back up on their own and weren't wrecked with sense of entitlement, sloth and lack of intelligence that current world suffers from.

Human society is at breaking point where people who are passionate and are driven to improve themselves are in the minority.

Those who use AI to do thinking for them fail to grow, don't make human errors necessary for human adaption, growth and learning. Many people are so fragile that slightest criticism, negative feedback will hurt fragile feelings. But hey, not to worry! Your AI will write for you and do your math homework, best of all it can be stored locally and hidden inside your implants! No more hurt feelings!

Scientists of old made many blunders, miscalculations and learned from them. Some at cost of lives and livelihoods. Working from dredges of society to esteemed universities, unlike today. Masses are lazy, inept and have severe victim complex that it's easier to spend years wasting money doing liberal arts/gender studies that have qualifications to flip burgers at McDonald's or Barista job at Starbucks.

We are entering in age of entitlement to rival boomers, if we get there there. AI will do thinking, creative work, physical labor then some.

At the cost of turning humanity into obese and fat retards on a planet that's stripped of it's resources with population incapable of innovative work in energy sector for example.

People can't afford to live, there's no work to be had and food shortages will worsen
Live in a pod, eat slop with sedative drugs, hook in to escape reality.

What was Oppenheimer's nuclear test to war, AI is to society.
Few people reveled in hedonism
Most didn't even notice
Rest were disgusted

I'm reminded of quote of Gautama Buddha

"Surely if living creatures saw the results of all their evil deeds, they would turn away from them in disgust. But selfhood blinds them, and they cling to their obnoxious desires. They crave pleasure for themselves and they cause pain to others; when death destroys their individuality, they find no peace; their thirst for existence abides and their selfhood reappears in new births. Thus they continue to move in the coil and can find no escape from the hell of their own making."

World will not be the same once someone flips the proverbial switch and no, it will not be idyllic life seen in Tezuka's Astroboy. It will be dystopia with mega corporate overlords.

 

[Glowie]

Do you guys not know Socrates? I was merely comparing people's attitudes about ai to his about writing. He argued that writing does make people dumber, and not that it made speaking obsolete, as you seem to have misread from my post, but instead; memory. https://newlearningonline.com/liter...-on-the-forgetfulness-that-comes-with-writing Not saying I agree with either the ai or writing stances, but there are definitely parallels between them, and he isn't entirely wrong. I mean, how many 15,693 line poems has the average university graduate memorized? This same argument could also be made about how spell check has effected people's spelling.

Expect human memory is fallible, speech is forgotten as well languages which they're spoken in. Socrates expected naively people to speak where human memory is very fallible, writing became necessary part to society even civilizations that predated Socrates. Greek philosophers were very fallible to say the least, nor were they historians or explorers.

The the amount isn't what matters, but the quality. Ability to innovative and apply new ideas.

People can read and study as needed and memorize what's necessary.

Writing isn't comparable to something which does thinking and work for you

Bro people have been saying the same thing about how using Google "makes you dumber" and even longer with how people obtain information on things.

Search engines aren't autonomous beings, for now at least
I don't know if you read Unabomber's or "Uncle Ted" writing, humanity is losing itself more and more as it becomes more reliant on technology in more ways than one.
We are getting to that point where everything will change for ever.
Majority of people on the planet are both stupid and fat often mentally ill to boot, you can't deny that development in human society.

Think of Ted what you like, but he's right and you can't deny reality.

 

[WhiskeyJack]

Honestly, I think we're more likely to see a Neoluddite movement in the coming generations, than this AI-led Dystopian Cyberpunk future everyone seems to predict.

Pretty much every big (non-entertainment) social fad of the last thirty years has been some form of "back to basics/nature" type movement. Minimalism, the small house movement, permaculture, Hügelkultur, even the whole Prepper fad, are at heart all attempts to become less dependent on modern technology and consumerist lifestyles. And even within the entertainment fads, there's been plenty of zombie/survivor focused films and shows since 9/11 that at least in part touch on a yearning to be more self-sufficient.

I could even draw parallels with various politically-diverse groups like NoFap, MGTOW, Keto/Carnivore/Vegan communities, Yang Gang UBI grifting, and a growing anti-social media sentiment that has been brewing for the last decade.

Hell, even just basic consumerism is slowing down, with people waiting longer and longer to get a new phone or upgrade their computers. Aside from social media influencers, nobody brags about having the latest Iphone anymore. The Pandemic and resulting economic issues only seems to have strengthened these trends.

(Mind you, I'm not saying we won't still have giant corporations owning as much as possible, but I do think we'll see a general cultural shift as people leave the urban areas and move towards a more small-town inspired lifestyle, that is less dependent on the whims of global supply chain issues and the influence of social media marketing/consumerism.)