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This thread is for discussing the games within the Wolfenstein series, yes even the 80's games.

I'm playing through the series again and like a lot of good video game series it lacks a proper thread on the Farms so I thought I'd do my part in creating one.

Anyways, let's discuss ID's awkward first (person shooter) child (that isn't technically theirs) that they lost custody of years ago but still claim as their own.

Also while I know some of the recent games have been absolutely terrible, and I'm all for crapping on TNC and YB, I'd rather we keep the crap talk balanced. Let's try and keep it positive and not dwell on the horrible too much, yeah?

P.S. Wolf3 never ever
 
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I only know of one Wolfenstein game that was made in the 80's and it was on one of the old Apple computers. I only learned this like a decade or so ago. Till then I thought Wolf3D was the only game in the series and id was the creator. But that wasn't the case at all.

The best games in the series are Wolf3D RTCW The Old Blood The New Order Wolf 2009. The Old Blood is like a modern version of RTCW. It's better than The New Order. But I would play Wolf 2009 over TNC and Young Blood. I bought The New Colossus on release for $60.
 
BradeRunna said:
I only know of one Wolfenstein game that was made in the 80's and it was on one of the old Apple computers. I only learned this like a decade or so ago. Till then I thought Wolf3D was the only game in the series and id was the creator. But that wasn't the case at all.
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I think everyone did, even back then. It's also not like those games had a huge effect on the more popular current games, or much of Wolf3D.

BradeRunna said:
The best games in the series are Wolf3D RTCW The Old Blood The New Order Wolf 2009. The Old Blood is like a modern version of RTCW. It's better than The New Order. But I would play Wolf 2009 over TNC and Young Blood. I bought The New Colossus on release for $60.
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I find Wolf3D to be boring since its 60 levels of the same thing, technically 81 counting Spear of Destiny. But I still stand by it being a very important game, not that it makes playing it any easier.

RTCW is good, with the first 1/4 being so good that they remade it into TOB. TOB is also really good and while I wish it was a true full remake of RTCW in the MG continuity I still don't agree that it was better than TNO. But to be fair it would be really hard to top TNO.

I finished Wolf2009 a couple days ago and it was fine. I can somewhat see why it was memory-holed in favor of Q4 or Doom3. Not that it deserves to be. I hate to throw the word "remake" around but Lord knows Wolf2009 needs one, if for story reasons if nothing else.

I could write a 4 hour long script about how I feel about TNC. So I'll spare you the time. YB isn't worth talking about.
 
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Does Rise of the Triad count for this thread too since it was some deranged mutation of an attempt at a Wolf3D sequel
 
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I know Wolfenstein 2009 gets flack from fans for being a mid activision shooter and a product of the times. But it's my Wolfenstein. How I discovered and played it for the first time on the neighbor's Xbox 360 will never be replicated. I've even made a point to keep it installed on my PC.
 
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Enig said:
Does Rise of the Triad count for this thread too since it was some deranged mutation of an attempt at a Wolf3D sequel
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I'll allow it since it has no games outside of the 1994 and 2013 ones and it might as well be Wolf3D 2.

Quandale Octavius Dingle said:
I know Wolfenstein 2009 gets flack from fans for being a mid activision shooter and a product of the times. But it's my Wolfenstein. How I discovered and played it for the first time on the neighbor's Xbox 360 will never be replicated. I've even made a point to keep it installed on my PC.
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I agree with that. It has that Raven soul in it and they did the best with what they could. TOB and TNO were my first Wolf games. Good idea to keep it on your PC since who knows when it'll ever get back on steam or any other storefront. No game should be resigned to that fate, especially not a decent-enough game like Wolf2009.

Also fun fact for the thread: IDtech4 is the only engine to have a game for all of the 3 primary ID shooter franchises (Doom 3, Quake 4, Wolfenstein 2009)
 
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Star Classic said:
I'll allow it since it has no games outside of the 1994 and 2013 ones and it might as well be Wolf3D 2.
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Also rott 1994 was one of the funnest goddamn things at a LAN party, technical limitations be damned.
 
30+GameOvers said:
I just want to say this: Fuck MachineGames. They ruined what was a pretty cool concept of Nazis winning with their retardation in handling the concept. It only got worse in the second game and then we got Young Blood. What a bunch of fuckups, that said RtCW is still the best entry, even all these years later.
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I'm half on that.

Personally I think TNO is the best wolfen game. It does a lot right and I still think it (and RTCW) are some of the few games that feel like actual successors to Half-Life. But I have never seen a developer drop the ball harder than MG when it comes to a follow-up. It is quite insane how all of the redeeming qualities present in TNO are missing in TNC. But what really gets me about TNC is that there is just a glimpse of what could've been inside it, something good rising off the surface. The first half of the story or so (beginning of the game - BJ's revival) barring literally everything else in the game, yes I mean everything, is really really good. Early on it could've been a proper TNO sequel, but what we got instead with the way the story goes is... baffling to say the least.
 
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Star Classic said:
I'll allow it since it has no games outside of the 1994 and 2013 ones and it might as well be Wolf3D 2.
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I don't get how the 2013 one got so forgotten, were people expecting a masterpiece from a remake of a game that was basically one big "fuck it we'll do it anyway' exercise in game dev? I know people bitched about performance issues but I was playing it on a FX-8310 with a R9 280 no problems and found it fun(ny) as fuck which is made even more confusing in how a lot of the devs wound up being behind New Blood whose games are all more about "MAKE SHOOT GAME HARD HAHA BOOMER MEME REMEMBER SOFTWARE MODE???" and leaning on aesthetics bullshit over everything else.
 
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I don't get how the 2013 one got so forgotten, were people expecting a masterpiece from a remake of a game that was basically one big "fuck it we'll do it anyway' exercise in game dev? I know people bitched about performance issues but I was playing it on a FX-8310 with a R9 280 no problems and found it fun(ny) as fuck which is made even more confusing in how a lot of the devs wound up being behind New Blood whose games are all more about "MAKE SHOOT GAME HARD HAHA BOOMER MEME REMEMBER SOFTWARE MODE???" and leaning on aesthetics bullshit over everything else.
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I don't either. Maybe because I don't play modern crap or play old games long after their heyday but when I look at discussions around that game during the time it came it out it's almost always "this game sux" or "this game run like crap" or "why this game not 10/10, I want 10/10"

It's like standards were too high back then and yet today they're at an all time low? What even happened?
 
Man, Return to Castle Wolfenstein was my bread and butter back in the day. Had to look up that intro again and realised that's Peter Renaday (whose voice would be forever imprinted on me years later as he played Duncan in Dragon Age Origins) voicing the monk/wizard/whatever that imprisons Heinrich. Cool discovery.

I remember playing The Old Blood when that came out but never got around to the new trilogy proper. Heard the second game was full of niggers and the third one doesn't even star the BJ lord himself, but that the first game (The New Order?) is still good. Should give that one a whirl some day.
 
Rtcw is the best, it really does feel like playing kelleys heroes or guns of the navarone.
Blade of agony is second best, I don't care if it's a mod, I consider it canon
Everything else is okay. I have issues with the machinegames ones, they're too big and too technologically complicated for 6-7 hour single player shooters with cutscenes (TNO is 45 GB, give me a fucking break). Wolf 2009 is very mid, I like it's gimmicks but it just feels like COD SP with magic bullshit, not like rtcw. Wolf3d desperately needs mouse aim. I haven't played the 80s ones.
 
Call me crazy, but I actually like all of the newer Wolfenstein games only because they're a good source of dieselpunk technology.
 
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RtCW worked the best because it found the perfect balance between it being a ww2 shooter and the Nazi obsessions of the occult and high tech bullshit. When it leaned too much either into the occult or tech stuff it just felt off. Shame that the final boss fight didn't amount to much, but I guess ancient nigh-immortal warlords were feared because people didn't have bazookas and miniguns back then.
 
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The New Order didn't need a sequel. It worked great as its own isolated story and, in retrospect, New Colossus really doesn't add anything of value if not downright make characters worse.

That was before I watched this video. It was months ago, but I remember it being a good breakdown of what happened with the franchise.

 
30+GameOvers said:
I just want to say this: Fuck MachineGames. They ruined what was a pretty cool concept of Nazis winning with their retardation in handling the concept. It only got worse in the second game and then we got Young Blood. What a bunch of fuckups, that said RtCW is still the best entry, even all these years later.
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The Old Blood is the only good game MachineGames made.
 
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