Would humanity ever have a chance of achieving Type II Civilization? - I just nuked Mars because it was a hangout for racist people who hurt my feelings.

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Currently Humanity has not even achieved Type I Civilization as not all the energy have been harvested on Earth just yet. Type II Civilization is when Humanity achieved Colonizing the entire Solar System and has harvested all their energy which is estimated that it wouldn't happen for another thousands of year. Considering the current state of the world and it's estimated probabilities (not applying to the dumb Global Warming narrative pushed by the elite), the chances are seemingly astronomical. Everyone in the past has been looking forward to Humanity entering Type I, II, III Civilizations despite not going to be there to experience it, However due to the ever progressing instability of humanity. It seems to be so far fetched which begs the question. At the current rate, would humanity ever have a chance to achieve this?
 
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Space is so damn vast that colonies will be isolated by its breadth until propulsion technologies receive a great number of advancements. Its uniquely hostile and oppressive nature is enough to ensure that no marginalized community would survive a deep space voyage.
 
I am confident that no human being will ever live on a planet besides Earth. Space is too hostile and resources are too few. If you take the materialist/atheist darwinian and evolutionary point of view, this level of technological achievement is an aberration and there is no reason to believe it will continue. Space isn't necessary for survival, and if the world becomes too overpopulated and the resources here too few and the climate and environment become toxic and hostile to life, people, plants, and animals will just die off continually until the population is small enough to be sustained by the relatively fewer available resources. There is no reason to believe that somehow life will be easier and more fruitful in vast, unpopulated zone of radiation and micrometeors.

If you want to take a non-atheist/materialist view, I guess all you really have is maybe Scientology. Everything else is basically a myth or philosophical system incorporating the afterlife. Mormons go to the Celestial, Terrestrial, and Telestial Kingdoms. Jews just go into Sheol. Muslims do whatever they do, Norsemen go to Asgard or whatever, Greek soldiers became shades in Hades and basically just stood around complaining for eternity, etc. There's no system that really incorporates galactical/universal conquest except for nerd fags whacking each other off over sci-fi power fantasies, such as this nonsense about different civilizational "types". These fantasies are dreamed up by sheltered smug idiots who take a sort of modified whig history look at human action and events and assume that all people are part of a "civilization", just at a different point in the linear progression. This is, of course, obviously false. It's ludicrous to think that sci fi retards could make useful or meaningful predictions about the future, especially when that future is so far off there's no way for them to even test any of their theories against empirical evidence.
 
This is it. Communists have destroyed everything the previous generations worked so hard to build. We're already in the new Dark Ages, and soon humanity will forget everything and revert to caveman living. Maybe in a few hundred thousand years a new civilization will rise up, only to give women the vote and cause the cycle to start over again. Who knows how many times this has happened, and will happen?

tldr - no
 
I doubt Earthlings will even survive the next 100 years or so, let alone master the entire Solar System.

Can you imagine Clown World becoming the Clown Worlds?

Also like @Indefinite_Ordered_Sets said, why does a civilization have to consume more and more energy on ridiculous scales as they advance? What if an advanced civilization lives in harmony with nature and consumes less power, or they're nomadic and live in flying saucers that produce just enough power for the occupants on the ships? Why even make Dyson spheres in the first place if you can use "vacuum energy"?
 
Under the current culture - no, people don't care about the future and the government won't allocate money to it. You are only limited to deranged billionaires throwing money at the problem while people sit on the side mocking the idea.
Maybe in the future the pendulum will swing back, but that necessitate a full on war on current global power.
 
At the current rate, would humanity ever have a chance to achieve this?
For the Ancient Egyptians who built the pyramids, they never had the chance to achieve widespread iron-working
For the Romans who enslaved and then stagnated, they never had the chance to achieve gun-powder weaponry and widespread steel-working
For us who industrialized but then stagnated beneath Intellectual Property Rights and Migrant Labor, we shall never have the chance to achieve asteroid mining and the run-away effect of refining our vessels entirely from stellar rock and large orbital solar arrays.

Perhaps the next civilization born out of the people we think are savage civilization-invaders too primitive to create their own?

As the society becomes more advanced, it becomes more dysgenic. Like ducks who are fed too much bread, humanity has become complacent and helpless. The nigger hordes were foisted on us, and all the resources needed to colonize space are spent to keep them happy. Kaczynski was right.
I genuinely think Rome was the exception, they managed to keep the game going much longer than China could once invaded and genetically replaced. 2039-2048 is the window I think will either see the great god of the American Economy dead along with its World Order or it will be us. The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster.

Perhaps, but it won't come from the dying west.
The next civilization, clinging to northern America and Canada as well as Scandinavia if climate change really fucks the world up, might call itself the West and speak English as we once insisted on speaking Latin for educated talk. But it will not be the West, and our genetics will surely be dead. They might head to space on lower stage exotic Unsymmetrical DiMethylHydrazine or HexaNitrohexaazaIsoWurtzitane rockets with Nuclear Thermal upper stages, cursing how easy we had it by comparison. I wish we could have been the great civilization, but colonialism broke us into our current shit-lib society.

Measuring progress by amount of energy consumption is a backward communist paradigm. Why you need all that energy, it will not make you happy anyway?!
Its the difference between a witch-doctor and a hospital, salting our meat or refrigerating it, reading by light or sitting quietly in the dark.

Its like money buying happiness, people need up to a certain amount before that saying is true. If we are achieving things that will be remembered, it is good. If we are masturbating in the dark with a 3d helmet and no friends, it isn't good. Spiritual goals and lofty accomplishments can use up material resources without being mere petty materialism. I would like to terraform Venus by blocking the sun with huge structures made from asteroid metalworking. I think my descendants would remember me for my effort. That is enough for me.

Maybe in the future the pendulum will swing back, but that necessitate a full on war on current global power.
Its the economy, and only revolutionary upheaval away from the modern World Order would be enough. I don't think we'll see it in the timeframe of twenty to thirty years, and after that we'll have so many additional faults that people will turn to AI and centralization to fix things rather than decentralization and modesty. The sad thing is that it will just make things worse ultimately, mortgaging the future so the future has to pay our tab. Like the boomers taught us.

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Its the difference between a witch-doctor and a hospital, salting our meat or refrigerating it, reading by light or sitting quietly in the dark.

Its like money buying happiness, people need up to a certain amount before that saying is true. If we are achieving things that will be remembered, it is good. If we are masturbating in the dark with a 3d helmet and no friends, it isn't good. Spiritual goals and lofty accomplishments can use up material resources without being mere petty materialism. I would like to terraform Venus by blocking the sun with huge structures made from asteroid metalworking. I think my descendants would remember me for my effort. That is enough for me.
No it's not. You made quantitative projection, but changes are qualitative. It is like predicting in 18 century that in future London will be covered 1 foot in horse-shit because of growing demand in transportation. Instead of attempts in terraforming Venus by whatever futile gigantomaniac projects, just genetically engineer yourself to live in that conditions or better yet transfer yourself into synthetic body SOMA-style. Also rather than dreaming of FTL with nearly impossible physics and ridiculous energy requirements, just use your artificial body to live long enough for space travel in realistic pace. To reach the stars one don't need to go faster, just to live longer, LOL.
 
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