YABookgate

[JJLiautaud]

I finally found the document that will make everyone vomit:
A full breakdown of the SWFA complicity in child sex abuse.
Jesus man its some fucked up shit and they're still hiding it; cancel every problematic writer in the world, but don't you fucking dare air out our dirty fucking laundry in public.

Key Quote:
“But why didn’t somebody say something! I wouldn’t have dreamed of doing it if I’d thought someone objected.” – Walter Breen, after molesting a 3-year-old girl in front of her parents at a party attended by prominent members of science fiction fandom.

 

[Pascal's Wagie]

Cancel every problematic writer in the world, but don't you fucking dare air out our dirty fucking laundry in public.

Damn, it's like the woke intersection with neo-NAMBLA and child-lover shit might mean something deeper than just the Law of Constant Mutual Attraction Between Weirdos. I wonder if it's like gay-dar...

 

[2525ABC]

I finally found the document that will make everyone vomit:
A full breakdown of the SWFA complicity in child sex abuse.
Jesus man its some fucked up shit and they're still hiding it; cancel every problematic writer in the world, but don't you fucking dare air out our dirty fucking laundry in public.

Key Quote:
“But why didn’t somebody say something! I wouldn’t have dreamed of doing it if I’d thought someone objected.” – Walter Breen, after molesting a 3-year-old girl in front of her parents at a party attended by prominent members of science fiction fandom.

Ugh I read the whole thing.

Like fine, you're in a misfit countercultural environment that attracts star struck kids and awkward adults. It's nonce paradise and the percentage of active predators is probably par to every similar situation.
And everyone thinks they're a maverick intellectual and fuckin loves hypotheticals and it's the 60s, so there's going to be a bunch of dorm room philosophising and bullshit about consent and maturity and ancient Greece, Trobriand islands, free love so pure and sweet blabla puke.
But then it's not a thought experiment, and all these people were in the rooms, at the cons, seeing actual gross perverts prey on actual traumatised children, and they went along to not seem uncool?!?!

Nonce jail for everyone!

 

[Kiwisee]

I finally found the document that will make everyone vomit:
A full breakdown of the SWFA complicity in child sex abuse.
Jesus man its some fucked up shit and they're still hiding it; cancel every problematic writer in the world, but don't you fucking dare air out our dirty fucking laundry in public.

Key Quote:
“But why didn’t somebody say something! I wouldn’t have dreamed of doing it if I’d thought someone objected.” – Walter Breen, after molesting a 3-year-old girl in front of her parents at a party attended by prominent members of science fiction fandom.

I knew the pedophilia problem in fandom was bad but holy shit, I had no idea Anne McCaffery was a pedo apologist.

Fuck. I just lost a lot of respect for her after reading this.

 

[Mola Ram]

I knew the pedophilia problem in fandom was bad but holy shit, I had no idea Anne McCaffery was a pedo apologist.

Fuck. I just lost a lot of respect for her after reading this.

Harlan Ellison defending Ed Kramer makes me sick to my stomach.

 

[JJLiautaud]

From the Fatprick's thread about the LRH Future Writer's Prize:

Finally, the Church (of Scientology) will not allow you to win unless you are an active contributing member.

Is this true? I could've sworn i saw some mormon win a few years back.

About the Article I posted: read the fanlore wiki write up on the breendongle its disgusting how much these people went to bat for someone who they knew was molesting kids, it was always known.

 

[Kiwisee]

Harlan Ellison defending Ed Kramer makes me sick to my stomach.

At this point, I’m wondering how much of SFWA’s Twitter cancellation mobs was a way to cover up their pedophilia problem.

Come to think of it, I’m beginning to wonder how much of book related cancel culture was even being perpetrated by actual people and not paid shills trying to maintain the publishing status quo (or cancelling authors as to get them out of contracts). I looked back in the earlier pages of this thread and noticed that a lot of the accounts that were “calling out problematic authors” often had less than 10k followers, and looking at the follower list almost half of them look like bot accounts.

 

[2525ABC]

I knew the pedophilia problem in fandom was bad but holy shit, I had no idea Anne McCaffery was a pedo apologist.

Fuck. I just lost a lot of respect for her after reading this.

Ok, so list of non-collaborators? ( ie not mentioned...)

Ursula le Guin?
Julian May?
Jack Vance?

 

[A Widdle Woach]

I knew the pedophilia problem in fandom was bad but holy shit, I had no idea Anne McCaffery was a pedo apologist.

Fuck. I just lost a lot of respect for her after reading this.

Jesus Christ. It’s absolutely breaks my heart to see McCaffery here. Her books were a great comfort to me as an awkward kid/teen.

Knowing what I know now I feel horrible for ever being a fan. I genuinely don’t know what to do in this situation, Pern was my lifeline as a kid but knowing this I don’t know how I can in good conscience enjoy Pern again.

 

[Mellorine]

Ah, yes, Anne McCaffrey, creatrix of Pern. She cracked the case on where homos come from back in the '90s:

"It's a proven fact that a single anal sex experience causes one to be homosexual. The hormones released by a sexual situation involving the anus being broached, are the same hormones found in large quantities in effeminate homosexual males. For example, when I was much younger I knew a young man who was for all intents and purposes, heterosexual. He was mugged, and involved in a rape situation involving a tent peg. This one event was enough to have him start on a road that eventually led to him becoming effeminate and gay."

 

[Commissar Fuklaw]

Ah, yes, Anne McCaffrey, creatrix of Pern. She cracked the case on where homos come from back in the '90s:

"It's a proven fact that a single anal sex experience causes one to be homosexual. The hormones released by a sexual situation involving the anus being broached, are the same hormones found in large quantities in effeminate homosexual males. For example, when I was much younger I knew a young man who was for all intents and purposes, heterosexual. He was mugged, and involved in a rape situation involving a tent peg. This one event was enough to have him start on a road that eventually led to him becoming effeminate and gay."

As hilarious is that is, it's not really surprising considering Dragonriders was first published in the 60s.

 

[Kiwisee]

At this point, I’m wondering how much of SFWA’s Twitter cancellation mobs was a way to cover up their pedophilia problem.

Come to think of it, I’m beginning to wonder how much of book related cancel culture was even being perpetrated by actual people and not paid shills trying to maintain the publishing status quo (or cancelling authors as to get them out of contracts). I looked back in the earlier pages of this thread and noticed that a lot of the accounts that were “calling out problematic authors” often had less than 10k followers, and looking at the follower list almost half of them look like bot accounts.

I’ve sat on this more and thought about the authors who were being dogpiled/cancelled on Twitter; in hindsight I noticed a few patterns.

1. In the case of debuts (Wen Zhao and Boyden), they both had six figure down payments. I can’t remember if Kosoko Jackson had any sort of outside financial investment, I’ll have to look into his case case again.

2. If they were already established authors, like Emily Duncan, they had multiple books in a series that may or may not have been selling anywhere close to the down payment amount they were given.

With those two factors in mind, it would then make sense that the big 5 publishing houses would want their money back without dealing with the PR nightmare.

Just fabricate a vague accusation of racism (or go along with one), then in one of the many throwaway accounts, simply egg the accusation on until the author is being dog piled by Twitter so that there’s enough public outcry to drop the author in question.

The PR stunt makes the book publishers look good to Journoscum and BookTokers, while also saving them money and giving the ability to drop DEI authors without being accused of bigotry.

Granted, I understand that this is just a conspiracy theory on my end but not a single one of the Twitter cancellations ever seemed genuine to me. While I do believe that the average Twitter is retarded, I think they’re retarded enough to fall for corporate baiting enough to unwittingly get DEI authors dropped to save money for the publishers.

 

[Henri Barbusse]

Ah, yes, Anne McCaffrey, creatrix of Pern. She cracked the case on where homos come from back in the '90s:

"It's a proven fact that a single anal sex experience causes one to be homosexual. The hormones released by a sexual situation involving the anus being broached, are the same hormones found in large quantities in effeminate homosexual males. For example, when I was much younger I knew a young man who was for all intents and purposes, heterosexual. He was mugged, and involved in a rape situation involving a tent peg. This one event was enough to have him start on a road that eventually led to him becoming effeminate and gay."

The Tent Peg Statement is one of the funniest things ever said by a human being.

 

[Drunk Smurf Lore]

Ah, yes, Anne McCaffrey, creatrix of Pern. She cracked the case on where homos come from back in the '90s:

"It's a proven fact that a single anal sex experience causes one to be homosexual. The hormones released by a sexual situation involving the anus being broached, are the same hormones found in large quantities in effeminate homosexual males. For example, when I was much younger I knew a young man who was for all intents and purposes, heterosexual. He was mugged, and involved in a rape situation involving a tent peg. This one event was enough to have him start on a road that eventually led to him becoming effeminate and gay."

So she agrees that fags reproduce through pedophilia. Keyed.

 

[Wampak]

Major faux pas for Tor!

 

[Trianon]

Major faux pas for Tor!
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Haha, not my boy Chris! Should have gone with those dead-eyed illustrated dragon covers.

This is the cover:

I’ve sat on this more and thought about the authors who were being dogpiled/cancelled on Twitter; in hindsight I noticed a few patterns.

1. In the case of debuts (Wen Zhao and Boyden), they both had six figure down payments. I can’t remember if Kosoko Jackson had any sort of outside financial investment, I’ll have to look into his case case again.

2. If they were already established authors, like Emily Duncan, they had multiple books in a series that may or may not have been selling anywhere close to the down payment amount they were given.

With those two factors in mind, it would then make sense that the big 5 publishing houses would want their money back without dealing with the PR nightmare.

Just fabricate a vague accusation of racism (or go along with one), then in one of the many throwaway accounts, simply egg the accusation on until the author is being dog piled by Twitter so that there’s enough public outcry to drop the author in question.

The PR stunt makes the book publishers look good to Journoscum and BookTokers, while also saving them money and giving the ability to drop DEI authors without being accused of bigotry.

Granted, I understand that this is just a conspiracy theory on my end but not a single one of the Twitter cancellations ever seemed genuine to me. While I do believe that the average Twitter is retarded, I think they’re retarded enough to fall for corporate baiting enough to unwittingly get DEI authors dropped to save money for the publishers.

This is a fascinating take; I think in some cases, like Wen Zhao's, the pre-release controversy might have boosted the book's profile without fully unpersoning her, since she was given a chance to rewrite it. The book was covered by people sympathetic to her, either because they were against the canceling or they admired her for "doing the work." She ultimately published three books in the series. I could see it being a stunt.

Emily Duncan was canceled right as the third and final book of her trilogy came out. I don't think its sales were ever spectacular, but it got a respectable amount of book blog circuit promo. What initially painted her as a target was that she was a Reylo shipper, which at the time was like declaring yourself a Nazi in YA world. I think jealous cliquishness could be the best explanation for what happened there, but definitely a publisher is going to decide whether it's safe to cut someone loose after a blowup based on sales numbers. And sadly I just think they saw her as one of many replaceable and similar YA authors. She was canceled for going after someone who wrote similar concepts but who was brown, so she was basically swapped out.

 

[Commissar Fuklaw]

Haha, not my boy Chris! Should have gone with those dead-eyed illustrated dragon covers.

This is the cover:

Jesus christ I can see its cervix

 

[Pascal's Wagie]

This is the cover:

R E C T A L
N O I S E​

 

[Windows 10 Upgrade]

As hilarious is that is, it's not really surprising considering Dragonriders was first published in the 60s.

And she was in her 40s then as well!

I remember back in the day when she was still well enough to travel it was mooted about having her as a Geust of Honour at a local SF convention, which older fans shot down straight away. Apparently Anne was insufferable in-person, and organisers had put her on a do-not-invite list.

She's one of the authors that I think of when I think of missed opportunities. A stronger writer could have done better things with her Dragonrider concept, it should have been a bigger thing but the writing and storytelling just cratered after a couple of books.

Haha, not my boy Chris! Should have gone with those dead-eyed illustrated dragon covers.

This is the cover:
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They could have afforded original art for the Paolini.

PL: My publisher obviously kept reducing the designer's Shutterstock budget for my covers until the last one was "same elements purchased on the company account last year but with mucho application of the Rotate and Transform tool."

This is a fascinating take; I think in some cases, like Wen Zhao's, the pre-release controversy might have boosted the book's profile without fully unpersoning her, since she was given a chance to rewrite it. The book was covered by people sympathetic to her, either because they were against the canceling or they admired her for "doing the work." She ultimately published three books in the series. I could see it being a stunt.

However it went, the Blood Heir series never grew the legs to be a big hit... definitely a sign of a publisher backpedal. The book itself was pretty ordinary - not Asian enough to catch the zeitgiest of books like The Poppy War and She Who Became The Sun, kind of too tainted for Bookstagram, a little bit TOO YA for a crossover market. But the publisher completed the series and is promoting a fourth book of hers now so she's not ENTIRELY dropped.

The initial controversy is all but forgotten now but she's quite doubled-down on the Ultra Asian Fantasy genre - nobody can complain there.

 

[Commissar Fuklaw]

She's one of the authors that I think of when I think of missed opportunities. A stronger writer could have done better things with her Dragonrider concept, it should have been a bigger thing but the writing and storytelling just cratered after a couple of books.

I've always had the feeling that most authors of that era sort of coasted. They were selling books so why try? What alternatives were there? Then when the 90s came around you just couldn't get away with it anymore.