Zwingli is in Hell

[Isaac]

He was a very bad man that taught against the Bible! And he is an apostate

 

[FuckedUpDeer]

Sounds like a cool guy.

 

[Beautiful Border]

bruh it's just bread and wine

 

[Isaac]

bruh it's just bread and wine

No you are now an apostate

 

[YE24]

I avoid making proclamations about who is in hell. God has revealed a path to salvation. Hell will be decided by judgement by Jesus at some point in the future. Acting like you are a superior judge of the human condition than Jesus himself is blasphemous. Focus on getting people to heaven. Hell will take care of itself. God, in His wisdom, has determined that the judgement is not now. Heed His wisdom.

 

[Isaac]

I avoid making proclamations about who is in hell. God has revealed a path to salvation. Hell will be decided by judgement by Jesus at some point in the future. Acting like you are a superior judge of the human condition than Jesus himself is blasphemous. Focus on getting people to heaven. Hell will take care of itself. God, in His wisdom, has determined that the judgement is not now. Heed His wisdom.

No, I disagree. We can be fairly certain that men like Arius and Muhammad are in Hell, which is certainly Biblical. Luke 16

 

[YE24]

That's your pride talking. It is never wise to underestimate the grace of God, nor imply its lack through your own premature judgement of others. Jesus warns explicitly against such. You do not have all the data to make an accurate judgement.

Again, focus on the message of good news, the evangelion, the gospel. "Whosoever believeth in him shall not perish but have eternal life." Can you prove that these men had no belief? Arius especially, as he professed Christ. Satanic saint-murderer Constantine, on the other hand, makes a great case to the contrary.

 

[Isaac]

Again, focus on the message of good news, the evangelion, the gospel. "Whosoever believeth in him shall not perish but have eternal life." Can you prove that these men had no belief?

Yes, I can actually. Our works validate our faith, and Arius taught bad things. Therefore Arius could have not been a Christian, because he was disobedient to our Lord and lead families towards condemnation.

Heretics and false teachers are in Hell, justly. I do not underestimate the grace of God, I am just not a fool to believe that Zwingli (who hated the Sacraments), who rejected God in his lifetime. Could somehow achieve Salvation somewhere else (purgatory does not exist]

 

[Isaac]

I'm not obscuring the gospel, I'm simply asserting it.

 

[YE24]

Yes, I can actually. Our works validate our faith, and Arius taught bad things. Therefore Arius could have not been a Christian, because he was disobedient to our Lord and lead families towards condemnation.

Nowhere in the Bible does it teach that disputation about the meaning of the Greek word monogene is a damnable sin. Your theology is deeply suspect.

I'm not obscuring the gospel, I'm simply asserting it.

Let's test this out: What must a man do to be saved?

 

[Isaac]

Let's test this out: What must a man do to be saved?

If you believe that Christ rose from the dead, you shall be saved.

Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

I cannot argue with you anymore, you are an Arminian (presumably).

 

[test rest pest]

1. Corinthians 3, 4-23:

Spoiler: NIV

4For when one says, ‘I follow Paul,’ and another, ‘I follow Apollos,’ are you not mere human beings?
5 What, after all, is Apollos? And what is Paul? Only servants, through whom you came to believe – as the Lord has assigned to each his task.
6 I planted the seed, Apollos watered it, but God has been making it grow.
7 So neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but only God, who makes things grow.
8 The one who plants and the one who waters have one purpose, and they will each be rewarded according to their own labour.
9 For we are fellow workers in God’s service; you are God’s field, God’s building.
10 By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as a wise builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should build with care.
11 For no-one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw,
13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work.
14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward.
15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved – even though only as one escaping through the flames.
16 Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit lives among you?
17 If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy that person; for God’s temple is sacred, and you together are that temple.
18 Do not deceive yourselves. If any of you think you are wise by the standards of this age, you should become ‘fools’ so that you may become wise.
19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: ‘He catches the wise in their craftiness’;
20 and again, ‘The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile.’
21 So then, no more boasting about human leaders! All things are yours,
22 whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas[1] or the world or life or death or the present or the future – all are yours,
23 and you are of Christ, and Christ is of God.

His works will be tested at the Day of Judgement

 

[YE24]

If you believe that Christ rose from the dead, you shall be saved.

So you are asserting then, by your claim regarding damnation, that neither Zwingli nor Arius believed that Christ rose from the dead.

Your quote from John says nothing about damnation.

Kindly refrain from casting aspersions on my particular beliefs. You are unlikely to infer them without a substantially richer grasp of the dynamics of the gospel.

 

[Catgirl Tyranid]

If you believe that Christ rose from the dead, you shall be saved.

You also have to ask for forgiveness. You can believe that Christ is the son of God with dominion over all things, but still refuse salvation. Alternatively, you can believe Christ is the son of God, accept his forgiveness, and then still quibble over how important rituals are and still be saved.

I cannot argue with you anymore, you are an Arminian (presumably).

You sound like a fucking idiot who just realized the premise of their argument is shit.

 

[Isaac]

You also have to ask for forgiveness. You can believe that Christ is the son of God with dominion over all things, but still refuse salvation.

You cannot refuse Salvation if you are one of the Elect

You sound like a fucking idiot who just realized the premise of their argument is shit.

Do you like horses?

 

[Blobby's Murder Knife]

I'm sure the Affair of the Sausages wasn't a metaphor at all for what he really craved.

 

[Catgirl Tyranid]

You cannot refuse Salvation if you are one of the Elect

Do you like horses?

No, do you like ducks?

 

[Dull]

If you believe that Christ rose from the dead, you shall be saved.



I cannot argue with you anymore, you are an Arminian (presumably).

ayo i did not know saint john had a kiwi account

 

[Begemot]

I'm sure the Affair of the Sausages wasn't a metaphor at all for what he really craved.

Finna bout to feed dis heretic @Isaac muh 20-inch black sausage instead....

 

[ShittlerNiggler]

Zwingli was right about theology but he was one of the main causes of the second Kappeler War, which, in my opinion was a huge tragedy for the country and essentially stopped the reformation from spreading into central Switzerland.