The Matrix Resurrections Thread - Woah

[ddw]

i don't see how everyone here hates the trailer so much. i was expecting it to make the fembusters trailer look like kino but it was pretty damn good. having a few allusions to iconic moments of the franchise it's supposed to be continuing after 18 years doesn't mean it's automatically memberberries garbage. hell i wasn't planning on touching the film with a 50 foot pole but after seeing that trailer i'm probably gonna watch it for the hell of it

 

[UnKillFill]

Nah I had fun with some of the levels. The ones based on the iconic scenes or involving Smith anyway...

To be honest, it's been so long since since I played "The Path of Neo," that I only really remember that 4th wall breaking ending, and the entire rest of the game being buggy as shit. It's cool if you liked it, but I don't think I could say the same.

 

[LightDragonman1]

I feel alone here all of a sudden.

While I get why some think it's overrated, to me, The Matrix still remains my all time favorite movie, and one of the biggest inspirations for my writing style as well. The way it blends anime-inspired visuals, philosophical and religious symbolism, state of the art action scenes, and interesting take on the cyberpunk genre still keeps me entertained and enthralled every time I watch it, and I still defend the first one as being deserving of the acclaim and influence it garnered over the years.

Heck, I'll even go so far as to say that the acting, whole not as good as it could've been, was still done very well, and the whole film was very tightly written and structured that I can even overlook it being a product of its decade. For that matter, it being 90s as all heck only adds to its charm imo, and there are plenty of other great films that are so obviously "from their decade" that I still find really enjoyable (Robocop, Die Hard, Back To The Future, Fight Club, the original Mission Impossible, etc).

Shame about the sequels though.

 

[Ahriman]

"Oooh guys 'member 'Bound'?? I 'member!!!"

I feel alone here all of a sudden.

While I get why some think it's overrated, to me, The Matrix still remains my all time favorite movie, and one of the biggest inspirations for my writing style as well. The way it blends anime-inspired visuals, philosophical and religious symbolism, state of the art action scenes, and interesting take on the cyberpunk genre still keeps me entertained and enthralled every time I watch it, and I still defend the first one as being deserving of the acclaim and influence it garnered over the years.

Heck, I'll even go so far as to say that the acting, whole not as good as it could've been, was still done very well, and the whole film was very tightly written and structured that I can even overlook it being a product of its decade. For that matter, it being 90s as all heck only adds to its charm imo, and there are plenty of other great films that are so obviously "from their decade" that I still find really enjoyable (Robocop, Die Hard, Back To The Future, Fight Club, the original Mission Impossible, etc).

Shame about the sequels though.

The problem is, they blew their load on the 1st movie. The sequels were rather unnecessary; the first one is practically a self-contained story. I, too, consider the first one quintessential '90s kino, and while most of us who have also watched "Dark City" and "Thirteenth Floor" sometimes sound kinda butthurt that "The Matrix" completely overshadowed those other movies, its artistic merits can't be denied.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

i don't see how everyone here hates the trailer so much. i was expecting it to make the fembusters trailer look like kino but it was pretty damn good. having a few allusions to iconic moments of the franchise it's supposed to be continuing after 18 years doesn't mean it's automatically memberberries garbage. hell i wasn't planning on touching the film with a 50 foot pole but after seeing that trailer i'm probably gonna watch it for the hell of it

To me, the problem is that nothing in that trailer stands out and it seems so far removed from the original Matrix franchise that it might as well be a standalone movie.

The action looks generic and bland, the effects look generic and bland, the plot seems bonkers and I shudder to think what kind of hamfisted political bullshit it will throw at its audience.

Overall, there isn't much to be excited about in this movie if you ask me. It's yet another cashgrab to milk off old popularity with an uninspired, lame, derivative rehash. We've seen that kind of shit be done to almost every franchise under the sun. At some point, Back to the Future will get a remake, maybe ET and other Spielberg classics like the Goonies.

Matrix 4 is nothing special. It'll be a movie that, at best, will avoid being so terrible that it pisses people off, but it will still be mediocre and sell tickets primarily via being from a certain franchise, but not on its own merits. Movie watchers have become paypigs that can be reeled in via important sounding names. Every movie in the Star Wars franchise made after 1990 was terrible -that's almost three times the number of good movies in that franchise!- and the name still makes retards watch anything new that comes out. Star Trek, Predator, Alien, the list goes on.
And people still watch this hot garbage. Just cause it has an iconic name and people are so basic, you could show them jangling keys, as long as there's a key that identifies as a gay Taco Bell or whatever and has a popular 80s or 90s brand attached to it, that shit will sell tickets like hot cake.

tl;dr: Matrix 4 has no reason to exist. It will bring nothing new to the table. It's just a cashgrab and the trailer verifies that verdict.

 

[Boston Brand]

The Wachowskis haven't made a single good movie since the first Matrix movie... and haven't turned a profit on a movie since thier LAST Matrix movie.

That's the real reason we're getting Matrix 4 now. Thier last few movies - Jupiter Ascending especially - lost Warner Brothers so much money that the studio has them by the short and curlies.

And given how they can't just rip off Dark City and John Woo movies again, it's going to suck, just like every other Wachowskis movie made since The Clinton Administration.

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

The Wachowskis haven't made a single good movie since the first Matrix movie... and haven't turned a profit on a movie since thier LAST Matrix movie.

That's the real reason we're getting Matrix 4 now. Thier last few movies - Jupiter Ascending especially - lost Warner Brothers so much money that the studio has them by the short and curlies.

And given how they can't just rip off Dark City and John Woo movies again, it's going to suck, just like every other Wachowskis movie made since The Clinton Administration.

Idk if you can count V For Vendetta as a Wachowski movie (they wrote a screenplay based on somebody else's IP, and somebody else directed), but that movie was profitable and entertaining.

Apart from that, yeah. I tried watching Jupiter Ascending recently to find out how bad it really was, but my wife made me turn it off.

In defense of the artists formerly known as the Wachowski Brothers, there is a lot of creativity in that movie. Unfortunately it's a demented kind of creativity, as if Luc Besson suffered a traumatic head injury and wrote retarded fanfic on Tumblr, and then somebody gave him $100m to turn it into a movie for some reason.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

https://twitter.com/thebabylonbee/status/1437182947908485121?s=21

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Idk if you can count V For Vendetta as a Wachowski movie (they wrote a screenplay based on somebody else's IP, and somebody else directed), but that movie was profitable and entertaining.

Apart from that, yeah. I tried watching Jupiter Ascending recently to find out how bad it really was, but my wife made me turn it off.

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In defense of the artists formerly known as the Wachowski Brothers, there is a lot of creativity in that movie. Unfortunately it's a demented kind of creativity, as if Luc Besson suffered a traumatic head injury and wrote retarded fanfic on Tumblr, and then somebody gave him $100m to turn it into a movie for some reason.

I remember that movie being an unintentional comedy.
The villain of the movie being the funniest part.

At least it had that going for it.

I remember liking Speedracer to an extent when it came out.

 

[LightDragonman1]

Eddie Redmayne is, no joke, the only entertaining part of that film, as he seemed to be the only one who realized how stupid the whole thing was, and ran with it, while everyone else played it deadly serious.

Speed Racer is a really underrated movie btw, and one that I will defend until the day I die. Heck, it probably would've been better received if it was released a decade later, as it was competing with much more grounded and realistic fare that made it stick out like a sore thumb.

As for Matrix Resurrections, the one thing I gives me a bit of hope, at least on the writing side, is that Lana isn't solely writing it, instead co-writing the script alongside two award winning novelists (David Mitchell and Aleksandar Hemon). Hopefully, they will be able to reign her in and cover up her weaknesses (like they did with the Sense8 finale), and at the very least, I hope this shows that Lana realized that she needed help when it came to the script, rather than going it all alone, like she and Lilly did with Jupiter Ascending.

 

[UnKillFill]

To be honest, it's been so long since since I played "The Path of Neo," that I only really remember that 4th wall breaking ending, and the entire rest of the game being buggy as shit. It's cool if you liked it, but I don't think I could say the same.

I'm kicking myself for not noticing the pun about the game being buggy as shit (and for the record, it still was) and it literally adding bugs into the story of the matrix for you to fight as random enemies when they obviously were not a part of the movies.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

I remember liking Speedracer to an extent when it came out.

Watched it in a theatre when it came out and I absolutely loved it. The super-cheesy humor and over-the-top action paired with the utterly bizarre design and look made for a pretty entertaining movie. I guess it really depends on personal taste, since this clearly isn't a movie that appeals to a broad audience.

But that was 13 years ago. They have not made a decent movie in that time, they barely made any movie worth a damn in their entire career and this is not a new project that they can show off their ability to mix and blend interesting concepts and styles from different sources and add a pinch of their own style... it's the lame derivative clone of a lame derivative clone of the original Matrix movie which itself was a derivative (albeit in a good way) work.

 

[BrunoMattei]

Just a thought: I was poking around after seeing the Madness Project Nexus game is finally coming out and realized I missed an episode of the cartoon.

What's funny to me is that a little Flash cartoon obviously inspired by The Matrix has far surpassed it. There's so much creativity on display in every cartoon and you can say the plot is nonsense but is it perhaps... Madness? See what I did there? But my point is that you could do so much with the Matrix and go all out with the fight scenes and visuals and this trailer shows nothing resembling that. It's just more bland and generic crap. Can you imagine if the Madness creator was giving like 100 million to make an action movie? It would probably look like an ultra high budget The Story of Ricky with guns or that Indian movie with gore.

 

[Calandrino]

To me, the problem is that nothing in that trailer stands out and it seems so far removed from the original Matrix franchise that it might as well be a standalone movie.

tl;dr: Matrix 4 has no reason to exist. It will bring nothing new to the table.

Well, there's a big thunk right there. I still haven't seen Matrix Revolutions and if this trailer was just "Neo, we brought you back to life to stop Super Agent Smith 2.0 from oppressing Black bodies" I wouldn't care, but as it stands I am intrigued and filled with false hope. Really looking forward to being disappointed by this movie.

 

[Akumaten]

Revolutions ended pretty definitively. The hell is this going to be? A prequel? I don't want a sequel

We already have the AniMatrix for that.


My guess is the the tron siblings ran out of drug money.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

i don't see how everyone here hates the trailer so much. i was expecting it to make the fembusters trailer look like kino but it was pretty damn good. having a few allusions to iconic moments of the franchise it's supposed to be continuing after 18 years doesn't mean it's automatically memberberries garbage. hell i wasn't planning on touching the film with a 50 foot pole but after seeing that trailer i'm probably gonna watch it for the hell of it

Because Matrix 4 is Hamlet 2 levels of unjustifiable. And I don't mean the movie, I mean the play within the movie where the entire joke was that everyone died at the end of the last installment, so most of the runtime has to be devoted to plot contrivances in order to justify its own existence. The Matrix had almost nowhere to go after the first movie and really had nowhere to go after the third. Matrix 4 has to be primarily about "why is there another Matrix movie after we permanently resolved the core conflict and killed off the main characters?"

 

[Raging Capybara]

We already have the AniMatrix for that.


My guess is the the tron siblings ran out of drug money.

It was to cope with the grief of losing their parents.

Lana Wachowski Resurrected Neo and Trinity for ‘Matrix 4’ as ‘Comfort’ After Parents’ Deaths​

"It was immediately comforting to have these two characters alive again," Wachowski said.​

There are a lot of big questions facing “The Matrix Resurrections,” including how thought-to-dead main characters Neo (Keanu Reeves) and Trinity (Carrie-Anne Moss) are back as the very-much-alive faces of the franchise. (And why is Morpheus back without Laurence Fishburne?) Expect the answer to be somewhat complicated.


Yet the decision to revive Neo and Trinity for “Resurrections” was a simple one for writer/director Lana Wachowski. After her parents died close to a month apart, Wachowski needed the comfort of her two most iconic characters.


“My dad died, then this friend died, then my mom died,” Wachowski recently said at the International Literature Festival Berlin (via /Film). “I didn’t really know how to process that kind of grief. I hadn’t experienced it that closely… You know their lives are going to end and yet it was still really hard. My brain has always reached into my imagination and one night, I was crying and I couldn’t sleep, and my brain exploded this whole story. And I couldn’t have my mom and dad, yet suddenly I had Neo and Trinity, arguably the two most important characters in my life.”

Wachowski continued, “It was immediately comforting to have these two characters alive again, and it’s super simple. You can look at it and say: ‘OK, these two people die and OK, bring these two people back to life and oh, doesn’t that feel good.’ Yeah, it did! It’s simple, and this is what art does and that’s what stories do: they comfort us.”


Lilly Wachowski, who wrote and directed the first three “Matrix” movies with Lana but chose not to return for “Resurrections,” previously mentioned that the siblings’ parents died within five weeks of each other. Lana first brought Lilly an idea for a potential fourth “Matrix” movie in between their mother and father dying. Lilly said the grief, plus the emotional weight of her transitioning, is what led her not to join Lana in making another “Matrix” movie.

As Lilly told THE press, “I didn’t want to have gone through my transition and gone through this massive upheaval in my life, the sense of loss from my mom and dad, to want to go back to something that I had done before, and sort of [walk] over old paths that I had walked in, felt emotionally unfulfilling, and really the opposite — like I was going to go back and live in these old shoes, in a way. And I didn’t want to do that.”


Warner Bros. opens “The Matrix Resurrections” in theaters and HBO Max on December 22.

Can we believe that? I don't know, but giving the circumstances I think a character assassination scenario to be unlikely. The troons are a little bit crazy but they obviously still love these characters.

 

[Sex Cannon Lupa]

If we're going to bring up V For Vendetta as a Wachowski movie then we need to talk about their best movie (directed by Richard Donner):

Didn't they shadow direct the Daniel Craig Invasion of the Body Snatchers?

 

[BrunoMattei]

It was to cope with the grief of losing their parents.

Lana Wachowski Resurrected Neo and Trinity for ‘Matrix 4’ as ‘Comfort’ After Parents’ Deaths​

"It was immediately comforting to have these two characters alive again," Wachowski said.​

Can we believe that? I don't know, but giving the circumstances I think a character assassination scenario to be unlikely. The troons are a little bit crazy but they obviously still love these characters.

I'm sure you can replace "comfort" with "getting paid millions of dollars by clueless studio executives desperate for a hit."

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

I'm sure you can replace "comfort" with "getting paid millions of dollars by clueless studio executives desperate for a hit."

I mean, surely, you'd feel a lot of comfort with a couple millions in your pocket despite there being no chance in hell you'll ever make a decent movie again in your lifetime.