Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

[Chandelier]

The only real difference imo is thag Olly's tranny voice is more feminine(im rating on a tranny scale here) whereas Nyk sounds like when the Monty Python guys would also dress in drag and pretend to be women.

I still maintain that even though he's a junkie and an all around messy faggot, Nyk is still far less insufferable than Olly.

Not going to make any more posts around snl/Steph now that snl825 has deactivated, I'm hoping that whoever was behind it just wants to move on and forget about it. Just stressing once more that they talk to their therapist about getting screened for ADHD.

In my search for writing comparisons I came across this comment from Olly:
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Yeah I couldn't agree more about being fascinated with Olly's interpretation of womanhood.

Nyk is just such an outright misogynist and degenerate. The thought of him judging Olly for not being a "real tran" is just SO incredibly laughable when Olly arguably is so much more ""feminine"" than him (in personality at least). Olly has a tumblr (possibly the most female social media imaginable), apparently enjoys HP/musicals and other extremely female interests, actually seemed to care enough to learn about feminism/sex-based oppression in college (even if it was just to get laid), etc. To our knowledge, Olly has never sent feminists porn to harass them, never called a vagina "just a fuckhole", never went through a MRA/incel/edgy Atheist phase, and so on. Olly actually has much better taste in high fashion, it doesn't show in what he wears but he likes Galliano's work for Margiela while Nyk is obsessed with the TACKIEST brands imaginable (throwing that in there because I only just now found out that Olly actually might have good taste from going through some of Olly's video subtitles while looking for something). They're both pornsick males, but Nyk is just so much scummier and seems to have a deep hatred for women in a way that Olly doesn't seem to.

I remember watching Nyk's Gender Critical video out of curiosity (before I was gendercrit) and his overt sexism actually made me feel disgusted. I still feel immense disgust when I think of the part with the Sylvia Plath quote. Nyk did a lot more to fuel the current hatred and moral panic around feminist women, Olly hasn't really contributed to that as much.

ContraPoints has a hardon for JKR (as does Lindsay Ellis) but his main contention is revenge porn. Olly, however, wants to make domestic violence shelters for women accept him and males in general, and has the popularity to do it. Him being seen with Paris Lees, who was convicted of robbery and writes like he has shit in his mouth, on promoting muh trans rights puts him on a different level than Nyk. Nyk doesn't want to go to Hollywood or be an actor - he just wants to dress up in his paypig mansion and act like a coked up diva. Olly wants to be a new Marilyn Monroe or some other famous actress and that is evident by his 'I can't wait to be in this new show!' posts. It's not about performance for Olly, it's doing.

Olly might know more high fashion because of his wealthy roots, but he doesn't know how to wear them. His notion of femininity is YSL bags and stripper heels. "Womanhood" to him, doesn't exist yet he wants to be seen as a woman. Olly and Contra see womanhood as metaphysical, not physical. It's about wearing women's shoes and getting panty shots, and wanting bolted on tits from the NHS.

Olly's hated for women may not be open but it is definitely there. Him complaining about female MPs wanting to keep single sex spaces for women regarding prisons and DMV shelters is narcissism to the max. 'What about meeeee???!' he screeched.

Olly previously has a video on gender criticals and trans rights, and before he trooned out he always saw transwomen as women. He has always treated them better than he has actual women.

Oh man, I also watched Nyk's gender critical video prior to becoming GC and when he quotes germaine greer and the quote is said in a sneering way I remember thinking "omg that is so mean, just let people live their life". I very much had my head in the sand and thought it was about just presenting as female and not acessing female spaces. It took me forever to shake off my "be nice conditioning" and God damn it Greer is fucking right. Ive put Greers full quote in the spoiler (Nyk ends the quote at "Piss off.")


In the Gender critical vid Nyk also gives like one ounce of empathy about his experience not being identical to the true and honest woman experience and my stupid, empathetic female brain ate it up. I never realised how fuckin cucked I was by being kind and giving people a chance. I was truly female socialisation in action. Oh yeah I also was creeped out by the "inner terf" character - also male estro boobs are just not the same and gross me out.

I was going to talk about how I would style Olly but then realised this was going into forced feminisation territory, sounds really gay and he'd probably like that. So I will just be a reactionary fashion critic when it comes to future outfits. Whilst Olly doesnt come across as overtly hating women to the same extent as Nyk he can be breathtakingly misogynistic. But Olly does get points from me for holding that AGP mirror up to Nyks face and then smiling out the side of his mouth with glee at Nyks turmoil.

Greer is one of the few feminists who has not bucked to the troons. Gloria Steinem has, and I do believe the author of 'Against Our Will' has. Every one of them has said 'well of course transwomen are women! They're struggles are our struggles!' An even worse video would be Riley Grace Rashong's video on Greer, where he, as a philosophy student, never once read her and just called her a woman with daddy issues.

You can see Olly's male socialization on his Kill James Bond! podcast, where he and the Muslima troon talk about their dicks and how they masturbate.

 

[Shotgun Badger]

I might be tempted to go easier on Contra because I don't really look into their life very much but PT seems a lot worse to me. I think the big thing is the shameless careerism that he brings with him, even Contra didn't have this big song and dance when they came out and then try to ride that wave into guardian interviews and acting roles, just the depth of narcissism that Olly brings with every tweet, video, tumblr post or whatever is on such a level that I don't know what to compare it against. And what even is his image of a woman that he was apparently suppressing all this time that was just straining to break free? Dresses, cakes, 'tee hee, I'm such a ditzy bimbo!', and comically inappropriate sexual innuendo he thinks is fine to blurt out because he's trans. Its a fucking parody of womanhood filtered through somebody who really doesn't have a clue, and I'm surprised people find it much better than Contra's.

Honestly all of his videos since coming out seem to highlight this cartoon notion of what he thinks it means to live in the role of a woman. The last video is a perfect example, women often have issues with body image? Well here comes the archduchess of the gendercritical archipelago to really explain from, er, "her" extensive experience in being a woman about having to handle the body image issues "she's" dealt with as a woman all her life!

 

[esmeggs]

"My husband Nyk". Was he trying to set off 4chan schizos with this one?

Its a fucking parody of womanhood filtered through somebody who really doesn't have a clue, and I'm surprised people find it much better than Contra's.

It's no better than Nyk's but it's certainly not worse than someone who has confidently stated that a vagina is just a "fuckhole". They're both misogynists but I just find Nyk vastly more contemptible. Nyk seems malicious while Olly seems like a useful idiot.

 

[fax machine]

@Chandelier has said everything that matters, so I'll just add a bit on this:

Olly actually has much better taste in high fashion, it doesn't show in what he wears but he likes Galliano's work for Margiela while Nyk is obsessed with the TACKIEST brands imaginable (throwing that in there because I only just now found out that Olly actually might have good taste from going through some of Olly's video subtitles while looking for something).

There's a difference between performing taste and exercising it. Olly has always been good at learning the mantras, exalting the local gods, and pitchforking all who commit thoughtcrime against them, but he's like an English copyist tracing Arabic script: incapable of writing coherent Arabic of his own. He can conjure the illusion of knowledge or taste, but understanding eludes him. That's why he can say that he likes Galliano's Margiela — everyone knows Galliano is Good Art — while composing videos that show no real sensitivity to aesthetics. When it’s time to put money where his mouth is, he buys a tacky plastic face shield from Dolce & Gabbana.

Same shit when he preaches feminism in one breath and names "hot women" one of America's only "cultural contributions" in the next. (Forgetting about jazz, too. What a clown.) Someone who genuinely cared about women as people wouldn't talk that way, shitting on their country of origin while coveting them like products fresh off an assembly line. Fortunately for PT, intellectual honesty doesn't mean a damn to him, so he can build a virtuous persona on a mountain of buzzwords while snickering about girls with the lads. So much more fun than understanding and applying the ideas you claim to believe. Praxis? I don't know her.

I disagree with Contra on many points; I think she’s deluded herself into believing some bullshit out of fear; but fundamentally, I don’t think she lies to her audience much more than she lies to herself. And lots of people lie to themselves. It’s normal enough, though unhealthy.

What chills me about PT is the hollowness at his core — the passing off of mimicry as organic feeling, understanding, and belief. That’s exceptionally fucking insane to me, like Black Mirror robot brain shit. I want to look away but I can’t.

 

[esmeggs]

There's a difference between performing taste and exercising it. Olly has always been good at learning the mantras, exalting the local gods, and pitchforking all who commit thoughtcrime against them, but he's like an English copyist tracing Arabic script: incapable of writing coherent Arabic of his own. He can conjure the illusion of knowledge or taste, but understanding eludes him. That's why he can say that he likes Galliano's Margiela — everyone knows Galliano is Good Art — while composing videos that show no real sensitivity to aesthetics. When it’s time to put money where his mouth is, he buys a tacky plastic face shield from Dolce & Gabbana.

Where has Nyk ever exercised taste when it comes to clothing? They both look like disasters. I have more respect for someone who at least knows to say they like Galliano than someone who is proud that their taste hasn't evolved past Versace and Zimmermann.

 

[Real Gay Autist]

Not going to make any more posts around snl/Steph now that snl825 has deactivated, I'm hoping that whoever was behind it just wants to move on and forget about it. Just stressing once more that they talk to their therapist about getting screened for ADHD.

Out of an autistic fixation, I've been trying to unearth anything on SNL. I've run some stylometric analyses using R, which were inconclusive. Perhaps I need more/better data and, as I also suspect, PT's writing style has changed a lot since transition which probably makes things more complicated.

There's plenty to go on: her name and initials, Twitter pfp (face, possibly-identifiable location in the background) and her powerlevelling on YouTube (various interests, Jewish father in Vermont, has worked/volunteered for several years for a non-profit independent media organisation with its roots in farmworker organizing and which prepares independent reporting on Cuba/Venezuela, etc.). FWIW I haven't found anything and have been somewhat annoyed that I can't even turn up the non-profit in question or at least identify the background of her pfp. But, at the same time, I've been doing this with the realization that, in my opinion at least, it's somewhat probable that SNL is not PT. If that's the case, SNL hasn't done anything to merit her dox being plastered all over the Farmz. She's just a Britophile Whovian musical theater geek who I sense is probably a very well-meaning and worthwhile person who, for whatever reason, has fallen into a bit of obsession (which I totally identify with and, let's face it, half of us on this thread are reading it and SNL/PT's YouTube/Twitter daily also). If it's not the case, and SNL = PT, then I won't find anything on SNL anyway: it's chasing shadows, or, chasing projections of PT's psyche.

What I'm saying is that I'm totally drawn into this mystery and am hell-bent on finding out the truth; just that I'm unsure what the next step is. I'm also conscious that PT and SNL (if the latter does not equal the former) are watching this forum (the deletion of @snl825 makes that a near-certainty IMO). It'll be interesting to see what happens to the YT account now.

Actually, maybe what I'm really saying is that maybe I should talk to my therapist about getting screened for ADHD...

 

[Rose_of_Troon]

TW: Contra-simping

While he's a lot more clueless and cringey, Olly just doesn't have that faggy hypersexual creepiness (even if part of him might like to). He's the Blue Peter of troons.

Ok i get that y‘all wanna hate on Contra or Nyk or however you wanna call her, but ‚faggy hypersexual (!) creepiness‘..? I don’t see that in her. Manipulation, mental illness, narcissism, vanity.. sure. But let’s not pull things out of proportion here.

It's no better than Nyk's but it's certainly not worse than someone who has confidently stated that a vagina is just a "fuckhole". They're both misogynists but I just find Nyk vastly more contemptible. Nyk seems malicious while Olly seems like a useful idiot.

Sorry to correct you luv, but I don’t think either of them called a vagina a ‚fuckhole‘ ever. At least not publicly. In her ‚gender critical‘-vid contrapoints quoted terfspeech, about how a neovag isn’t a ‚real‘ vagina, just a ‚fuckhole‘, and she added she wouldn’t want a ‚real vagina‘ (which terfs claim is a ‚sacred passage‘) cuz she wouldn’t know what to do with it aside from getting fingered by the pope lmao.

 

[A Logging Company]

Jesus christ eleites, either stop raping your kids or tell them to forfit all needs for power and inflence.

 

[Pinga]

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That's a looooot of chin.

 

[AfghanBlue]

Not going to make any more posts around snl/Steph now that snl825 has deactivated, I'm hoping that whoever was behind it just wants to move on and forget about it. Just stressing once more that they talk to their therapist about getting screened for ADHD.

In my search for writing comparisons I came across this comment from Olly:
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Yeah I couldn't agree more about being fascinated with Olly's interpretation of womanhood.

Nyk is just such an outright misogynist and degenerate. The thought of him judging Olly for not being a "real tran" is just SO incredibly laughable when Olly arguably is so much more ""feminine"" than him (in personality at least). Olly has a tumblr (possibly the most female social media imaginable), apparently enjoys HP/musicals and other extremely female interests, actually seemed to care enough to learn about feminism/sex-based oppression in college (even if it was just to get laid), etc. To our knowledge, Olly has never sent feminists porn to harass them, never called a vagina "just a fuckhole", never went through a MRA/incel/edgy Atheist phase, and so on. Olly actually has much better taste in high fashion, it doesn't show in what he wears but he likes Galliano's work for Margiela while Nyk is obsessed with the TACKIEST brands imaginable (throwing that in there because I only just now found out that Olly actually might have good taste from going through some of Olly's video subtitles while looking for something). They're both pornsick males, but Nyk is just so much scummier and seems to have a deep hatred for women in a way that Olly doesn't seem to.

I remember watching Nyk's Gender Critical video out of curiosity (before I was gendercrit) and his overt sexism actually made me feel disgusted. I still feel immense disgust when I think of the part with the Sylvia Plath quote. Nyk did a lot more to fuel the current hatred and moral panic around feminist women, Olly hasn't really contributed to that as much.

NO
Contrappoints good, Philosophy tube bad.
i want to know who is english and who is ameriyank to see if it holds with who is more perturbed by their ‘own’ one

 

[Futaba]

For science I will say that I am a tea sucking bonger and I am more perturbed by Nyk - its the AGP misogyny for me. I will say that Nyk has way more interesting takes and is more intelligent than PT. PT is larping as a woman and a philosopher whereas Nyk is a deep fake woman emulator who has had an original thought or two.

 

[UngluedSeahorse]

I hate Olly more than Nyk because Olly is a geordie.

 

[narcissistic injury]

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[fax machine]

Where has Nyk ever exercised taste when it comes to clothing? They both look like disasters. I have more respect for someone who at least knows to say they like Galliano than someone who is proud that their taste hasn't evolved past Versace and Zimmermann.

That's where we part ways. I always prefer honesty. Sycophantic lip service unbacked by genuine belief is intolerable to me, whether it's pretending to like Galliano because he's been safely enshrined as a master of his craft or buying those awful prints from Lilly Pulitzer to keep up with the Joneses at the yacht club.

NO
Contrappoints good, Philosophy tube bad.
i want to know who is english and who is ameriyank to see if it holds with who is more perturbed by their ‘own’ one

I'm a yeehaw motherfucker and I'm more perturbed by the Tube. He's a pretty American character for a Brit imo — all that shameless self-promoting hustle seems like it'd go badly over tea.

For science I will say that I am a tea sucking bonger and I am more perturbed by Nyk - its the AGP misogyny for me. I will say that Nyk has way more interesting takes and is more intelligent than PT. PT is larping as a woman and a philosopher whereas Nyk is a deep fake woman emulator who has had an original thought or two.

Agreed, though I swing the other way. Anecdotally, I haven't noticed a relationship between nationality and preference for PT/Contra. It has more to do with which quality in a person most disturbs you: inauthenticity (which leads to more negative feelings about PT), or sincere belief in harmful ideas (which leads to more negative feelings about Contra). To someone who hates PT's emptiness, Contra seems at least realer in comparison. To someone who hates that Contra has neurotically pondered this shit and still ended up swearing by misogyny, PT's mindless parroting of viral tweets just makes him look like a garden variety clown.

lol this thread has everything:

1. obsession with the minutiae of performance
2. conflation of female behaviors (pelvis-forward walking) with feminine ones (women don't slouch!!)
3. PT cutting in to reroute the thread around himself
4. teasing and shilling his semi-autobiographical play before locking down the logistics
5. it's in blank verse because Shakespeare is Good and referencing other Good things is how you make a masterpiece!

 

[BroccoliBrain]

>must alter his gait to mimic wider pelvis consciously
>has to ingrain how to act womanly with regular lessons
>still needs supplemental tips from other Y chromosoids
the leading cause of death in trannies is copium poisoning

 

[Cr1ms0n_&_C10v3r]

Why debate whether Nick or Ollie is worse? Both are massive men who consider themselves ex-Chads. Both hate real women and talk about them like they're trash (many examples), are narcissists, are AGP, treat being a woman as a cheap performance, have terrible taste in clothing, are "bisexuals" (tranny chasers) turned "lesbians", have horrible fake falsettos, love talking about their dicks, and you wouldn't want to be in a room alone with either of them. They're not the same person and will always have their differences so unless it's proven Ollie actually was some kind of predator who did something worse than spamming porn at women, I think they're generally as bad as each other.

As for the shared GAMP-AGP pipeline, I don't actually believe Ollie's interest in Contra has ever been truly romantic. It's more of an obsession or fixation and a desire to have what he has.

 

[Victoria Adams]

Yeah, I dislike both of them. Nyk seems to have more genuine mental health issues, which I sympathise with (still think he's a raging misogynistic narcissist though). PT seems to have calculated how to use his transness to his advantage while simultaneously using it to paint himself as a victim™ (oh, and he's also a raging misogynistic narcissist). So I'm in the hate them both but currently think PT is worse camp. I grew up in Somalia FWIW.

lol this thread has everything:

1. obsession with the minutiae of performance
2. conflation of female behaviors (pelvis-forward walking) with feminine ones (women don't slouch!!)
3. PT cutting in to reroute the thread around himself
4. teasing and shilling his semi-autobiographical play before locking down the logistics
5. it's in blank verse because Shakespeare is Good and referencing other Good things is how you make a masterpiece!

Yeah, that thread is something. What's up with his Shakespeare obsession by the way? As far as I can tell, he never actually references any of the individual plays or comments on the actual content, it's just 'Shakespeare amazing, Shakespeare amazing' all the fucking time. We get it. You're well read. Now go away and read another fucking author.

Ed to add:

As for the shared GAMP-AGP pipeline, I don't actually believe Ollie's interest in Contra has ever been truly romantic. It's more of an obsession or fixation and a desire to have what he has.

Olly's so incredibly ambitious, it wouldn't surprise me to find out that he has zero interest in being trans. After all, he's previously noted that he experiences zero dysphoria, seems to have zero attraction to trans women (except contra). He's definitely in love with himself, but that's pretty much the only clearly AGP thing about him. Has he even taken any steps to actually transition properly? Like taken estrogen, had surgery, anything like that? Surely if you have 'genuine dysphoria', you'd want to get on with stuff like that asap. All he's done is grow his hair out, slap on some make-up and crown himself the king of terf island.

 

[scathefire]

NO
Contrappoints good, Philosophy tube bad.
i want to know who is english and who is ameriyank to see if it holds with who is more perturbed by their ‘own’ one

PT I don't take seriously and is just a clown show to me I suppose, whereas I really fucking hate ContraPoints. I don't think it's just because I'm American, there are a lot of British people I hate far more than Olly.

Agreed, though I swing the other way. Anecdotally, I haven't noticed a relationship between nationality and preference for PT/Contra. It has more to do with which quality in a person most disturbs you: inauthenticity (which leads to more negative feelings about PT), or sincere belief in harmful ideas (which leads to more negative feelings about Contra). To someone who hates PT's emptiness, Contra seems at least realer in comparison. To someone who hates that Contra has neurotically pondered this shit and still ended up swearing by misogyny, PT's mindless parroting of viral tweets just makes him look like a garden variety clown.

This is more or less correct I think. Though I'm not really sure if people who are inauthentic or are sincere are more harmful in the long run.

 

[esmeggs]

It has more to do with which quality in a person most disturbs you: inauthenticity (which leads to more negative feelings about PT), or sincere belief in harmful ideas (which leads to more negative feelings about Contra). To someone who hates PT's emptiness, Contra seems at least realer in comparison. To someone who hates that Contra has neurotically pondered this shit and still ended up swearing by misogyny, PT's mindless parroting of viral tweets just makes him look like a garden variety clown.

This rings true for me, I don't care about authenticity and it's not something I expect from someone who is a "public figure". Contra's compulsive oversharing just comes off as idiotic and pathetic. The most shocking thing to me about the alt accounts was that they suggested that Olly might actually seriously believe in trans rights activism.


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Next video is on Islamophobia. Can't wait to see him gloss over how cruel and misogynistic the burqa is. This is one of the articles he has listed, claiming that wanting to ban the burqa is "xenophobic liberal feminism"- as if calling the burqa "a personal choice" isn't the epitome of liberal feminism.


If we don't get to see his degenerate "muslim" friend "Alice" in the next video I will fucking riot.

 

[Victoria Adams]

Interesting that Olly would delete his (alleged) burner account before publishing video as potentially provocative as Islamophobia. He's either thickened his skin and decided to take the criticism in his stride or - and I gotta think this is more likely - he's got to have another burner ready to go.

And I say potentially provocative, but anyone with an ounce of sense knows it's gonna be a shit show.