Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

[scathefire]

It's weird, the overall cadence of how Stephanie writes reminds me of how Olly types in his tweets. Like, a sort of chipper way of wording things. And she couldn't have been copying that all the way back in 2013, right?

 

[Futaba]

Nyk is textbook AGP, Buffalo Bill with added irony and self-deprecation. He's explicitly said he likes pushing people's buttons to make them uncomfortable, and all the noxious burlesque posturing of his entire presentation seems in service of this. While he's a lot more clueless and cringey, Olly just doesn't have that faggy hypersexual creepiness (even if part of him might like to). He's the Blue Peter of troons.

This is broadly how I feel about them both. Olly is like a rugby guy donning a dress as a laugh on a ruggers lads pub crawl but has just forgotten to take the dress off. Nyk is full on AGP skin walking with style. In regards to his kind of femininity well he has fallen for the trappings of toxic feminity and his mannerisms are just that of a camp man.

I recently watched his 2017 debate with Blaire White and damn maybe if I saw this content before all his polished Contrapoints stuff I would have been shaken out of being a trans advocate much sooner. He is a full on incel there, you can tell how much he hates women and want to erase our experiences and what it means to be a woman.

 

[ProStalker11]

What do you find “feminine” about Olly?

That's what I meant: Contra tries too hard. What kind of real woman has to try so much to be feminine all the damn time? Even while eating? He always looks tense and conscious about it, its ridiculous. None of my female friends act like that, they just don't care about being hyper feminine. You want to be a transwoman? Ok, whatever. But don't go around trying to be a delicate flower as if you were raised like a girl because you were simply not.
No one can spend this much time and energy thinking about this bullshit so I'm fully convinced Contra will come out as nonbinary in the near future, even more now after that deleted tweet

 

[GenitalFetishist]

I don't know that tallying up Britishisms vs Americanisms is going to be particularly helpful; plenty of people who hang out on the Anglophone internet end up using words/slang/spellings which don't originate from their countries.

 

[esmeggs]

This is likely the last post I'll be making about StephGate for a bit (I could write a whole separate post about Stephanie's comments under Mia Mulder's videos defending Olly, but I feel like I've already made more than enough of these autistic posts. I'll limit myself to responses for now). At this point I'm pretty convinced it's Olly and, as I've said before, I hope whoever is behind these accounts abandons them because I can't imagine this is good for their mental health.

The comments under Olly's Transphobia video (posted Oct 12, 2018 ) are what have me so certain (alongside everything else). It's: A) Impossible not to read some of these comments in Olly's voice, the two below legit sound like something scripted in one of his videos. As @scathefire said, it is strikingly similar to how Olly writes. The wording is insanely British in some parts, and, B) Pretty solid evidence that Steph would need to be getting notified of new comments, because there's no way a random fan would be able to find and reply to comments from a video from 3 years ago so promptly.


(The above being in response to a comment left on: Jan 06 2021, 17:22:10)


A few more examples of Stephanie responding to comments on this video incredibly quick (usually within 24 hours of them being posted), this isn't even all of them (there are a LOT of huge walls of text and long arguments that wouldn't fit into one screenshot, so I didn't post them):

Spoiler: Steph L Transphobia Comments

With all that being said, (if this is Olly) do you think he was able to type out the following comment without getting a boner?

did they make a claim of when they started watching PT somewhere?

Stephanie first started posting in Olly's comments sections mid-June (claiming she just found him a week before). She made a remark near the end of 2020 about how she thinks she found Olly's channel in April-May. This is around the time he started trooning out (Stephanie makes quite a few comments about how "'based on appearances" Olly seemed to start trooning out in April-May).

Olly loves to explain things from his videos (just look at his livestreams) so I could see how he got bored during quarantine and then things just kinda got out of hand once he realized he could reply to any comment without having to attach his actual identity to it. It looks insane to us, but if Stephanie is Olly and therefore was getting notified of new comments then it probably didn't take too much time out of his day to just respond to some comments.

 

[DirtyHegel]

Tons. But I can't just speak about this like....right here on the open internet lol.

Wire me some cash so we can connect incognito/in-person and in public and I can tell you what I know.

sounds like a scam lol. Granted do understand,

 

[AssignedEva]

If the account was set up in 2020 there would be zero doubt that it was Ollie.

It being set up in 2014 isn't that nuts though. Ollie has delusions of grandeur - hence banging on about being a successful actress and the most famous trans person on TERF island. I could buy that Ollie, 6 months into his career as a youtuber and with 7,000 followers, might decide "oh as a public figure I must ensure that I don't post anything that could damage me in the eyes of my fans." Adding in a bunch of extraneous details along the lines of "I'm actually an American woman with Jewish family" might be a ham fisted attempt to cover his tracks and perhaps navigate breadtube-at-the-time.

Thus when transition happened there was a cis woman all ready to go.

 

[Icterus]

Comment from the Hedonism and Pleasure video made in 2015:

Thank you, Steph. Very insightful.

The final third of Hedonism and Pleasure is spent addressing the comments of a video about "Sucide and whether it's right to prevent someone from killing themselves" in an upbeat manner, in stark contrast to his very sad and emotional 2018 video on the same subject and his own suicidal tendencies. Why was it really removed, Olly, did it's existence interfere too much with your (at the time) sensitive sadboy branding?

Doubt there's anything interesting about that video per se, other than the way it was presented.

Spoiler: Bonus: this fine specimen commenting on Intro to Aesthetics

Sorted by newest first, not that I think it helps deciphering this mess.

 

[UngluedSeahorse]

is my Twitter broken or have we lost the mine. F if true

 

[esmeggs]

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is my Twitter broken or have we lost the mine. F if true

No it's definitely gone. Good for them tbh.

 

[AfghanBlue]

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No it's definitely gone. Good for them tbh.

lmfao it would , of course, be Ollys racism (either his own if sock, or what Steph gets for parroting his idiotic lines) that spooked them enough to shut down.
maybe they saw this page.
someone that obsessed with him couldn’t have failed to have found this place- in fact they surely would have seen the ‘shoutout’ of kiwi farms on his tumblr and hence themselves.
if it was someone else you’d think she would have waded in here with a few thousand paragraphs for us.
goodbye Tubesock, you’ve finally proved it.

 

[Tombigbee]

It’s totally Olly. Well, 90 percent sure. And you may say, well, why wouldn’t he just stop posting there and let it go dormant? Answer, because he saw how our intrepid sleuths @esmeggs and @fax machine et al were building a bigger and bigger case. Every “big mad” find was another nail in the coffin. So he had to nuke the account. Probably with the foreknowledge that there were even more damning examples yet to be found.

And yeah a crazy rabid fan wouldn’t be able to resist coming in here and taking pot shots or defending “her” hero.

When was the SNL account created again? Has it been several years?

 

[Real Gay Autist]

For any further sleuthing please find attached all(?)* tweets by @snl825 in csv format with timestamps and other metadata provided by the Twitter API.

*(773 tweets, earliest at 2020-11-16-21:02:33 to latest at 2021-09-14-18:15:52.)

 

[narcissistic injury]

Hi Olly… sorry about your alter…. RIP Stephanie, after a lengthy battle with Turner Syndrome. Gone but never forgotten.

 

[Aegir]

I was already fairly convinced over the comment timing, but the account getting deleted after getting exposed here sells it to me. There's no way that isn't olly.

Also is it possible that account has been renamed at one point? I know practically nothing about tracking youtube.

 

[V4L_Penis]

Can we talk about this?
Contra has been transitioning for 4 years now and Olly for roughly 1 year, so why does Nyks "femininity" seems so forced compared to ollys? It's so obvious if you watch their livestreams.

I don't hate neither of them. Olly is just a obnoxious kid who thinks the world revolves around him, but Nyk creeps me the fuck out

The only real difference imo is thag Olly's tranny voice is more feminine(im rating on a tranny scale here) whereas Nyk sounds like when the Monty Python guys would also dress in drag and pretend to be women.

I still maintain that even though he's a junkie and an all around messy faggot, Nyk is still far less insufferable than Olly.

 

[NormieCasual]

For this whole ordeal with SNL and Stephanie, I am just left scratching my head off when this character was made. Like when did PT decide to create this hammer of a woman to bash Terf skulls. Seriously, the comments go back to like 2018. SNL and Stephanie L seem to have a name connection, so it feels like Ollie made up this female character in his head just to be bitch. (I know you can change Youtube names and it would be so interesting to see if the name had changed, to kind of see when the character was created.)

I don't know, I just find it super creepy to think that someone would use some other people's pain to make cheap points to nobodies online. It's disgusting.

 

[Victoria Adams]

For this whole ordeal with SNL and Stephanie, I am just left scratching my head off when this character was made. Like when did PT decide to create this hammer of a woman to bash Terf skulls. Seriously, the comments go back to like 2018. SNL and Stephanie L seem to have a name connection, so it feels like Ollie made up this female character in his head just to be bitch. (I know you can change Youtube names and it would be so interesting to see if the name had changed, to kind of see when the character was created.)

I don't know, I just find it super creepy to think that someone would use some other people's pain to make cheap points to nobodies online. It's disgusting.

So as far as I can work out as someone who lurked on this thread for a fair while before making an account a few days ago.

SNL825 started posting on twitter in November, 2020. They literally only ever replied to people in order to defend Olly when he got himself into hot water for being racist and/or transphobic (lol @ the transphobia, the guy has no awareness..) Pretty much every time SNL825 posted, someone would pipe up to accuse her/him of being Olly's burner account (lol) because it was just so fucking obvious.

Then you have Stephanie L from YouTube who I think is still up and running (I cba to check right now). That account started in like Nov, 2013(!!!) and basically posted nothing but shitty opinions on young adult fiction & musicals until 2020. Then Stephanie 'finds out' about PT, basically goes loco for the guy and starts stalking any mentions of him on YouTube like an absolute madman, often replying to pretty obscure comment threads within hours(!) on videos that are years old. If it's not Olly, I literally have no clue how they could have even found them.

Both accounts shared similar writing styles and even made the same shitty spelling mistakes, which is pretty damning imo. Edit - Oh, and both SNL & Stephanie apparently had turners syndrome, a rare intersex condition which conveniently meant they could argue that they were a cis-female without XX chromosomes who needed to take estrogen daily.

So Olly probably = SNL825 & SNL825 probably = Stephanie L. Using some shitty high school algebra, we can infer that Stephanie L probably = Olly.

If this is true, then aside from anything else, Olly set up a YT account in 2013 because he was too embarrassed to be seen talking about Harry Potter, GoT etc. on his main channel. Which again is fucking lol.

I'm no expert and other accounts on here have compiled much better info on the happenings, so there may well be a lot of mistakes above.

 

[esmeggs]

Not going to make any more posts around snl/Steph now that snl825 has deactivated, I'm hoping that whoever was behind it just wants to move on and forget about it. Just stressing once more that they talk to their therapist about getting screened for ADHD.

In my search for writing comparisons I came across this comment from Olly:

I guess at the end of the day I find Ollys interpretation of a woman to be fascinating and hey if you want to be apart of womanhood get ready for society to tear you apart.

I agree with you he is goofy af unlike Nyk who is genuinely nefarious and I truly believe has not left his incel roots behind. Nyk high key scares me lol but at least they are somewhat good at styling clothes now.

I recently watched his 2017 debate with Blaire White and damn maybe if I saw this content before all his polished Contrapoints stuff I would have been shaken out of being a trans advocate much sooner. He is a full on incel there, you can tell how much he hates women and want to erase our experiences and what it means to be a woman.

Yeah I couldn't agree more about being fascinated with Olly's interpretation of womanhood.

Nyk is just such an outright misogynist and degenerate. The thought of him judging Olly for not being a "real tran" is just SO incredibly laughable when Olly arguably is so much more ""feminine"" than him (in personality at least). Olly has a tumblr (possibly the most female social media imaginable), apparently enjoys HP/musicals and other extremely female interests, actually seemed to care enough to learn about feminism/sex-based oppression in college (even if it was just to get laid), etc. To our knowledge, Olly has never sent feminists porn to harass them, never called a vagina "just a fuckhole", never went through a MRA/incel/edgy Atheist phase, and so on. Olly actually has much better taste in high fashion, it doesn't show in what he wears but he likes Galliano's work for Margiela while Nyk is obsessed with the TACKIEST brands imaginable (throwing that in there because I only just now found out that Olly actually might have good taste from going through some of Olly's video subtitles while looking for something). They're both pornsick males, but Nyk is just so much scummier and seems to have a deep hatred for women in a way that Olly doesn't seem to.

I remember watching Nyk's Gender Critical video out of curiosity (before I was gendercrit) and his overt sexism actually made me feel disgusted. I still feel immense disgust when I think of the part with the Sylvia Plath quote. Nyk did a lot more to fuel the current hatred and moral panic around feminist women, Olly hasn't really contributed to that as much.

 

[Futaba]

Oh man, I also watched Nyk's gender critical video prior to becoming GC and when he quotes germaine greer and the quote is said in a sneering way I remember thinking "omg that is so mean, just let people live their life". I very much had my head in the sand and thought it was about just presenting as female and not acessing female spaces. It took me forever to shake off my "be nice conditioning" and God damn it Greer is fucking right. Ive put Greers full quote in the spoiler (Nyk ends the quote at "Piss off.")

Spoiler

"On the day that The Female Eunuch was issued in America, a person in flapping draperies rushed up to me and grabbed my hand. ‘Thank you so much for all you’ve done for us girls!’ I smirked and nodded and stepped backwards, trying to extricate my hand from the enormous, knuckly, hairy be-ringed paw that clutched it. The face staring into mine was thickly-coated with pancake makeup through which the stubble was already burgeoning, in futile competition with a Dynel wig of immense luxuriance and two pairs of false eyelashes. Against the bony ribs that could be counted through its flimsy scarf dress swung a polished steel women’s liberation emblem.

I should have said ‘You’re a man. The Female Eunuch has done less than nothing for you. Piss off.’ The transvestite (sic) held me in a rapist’s grip… Knee-jerk etiquette demanded that I humour this gross parody of my sex by accepting him as female, even to the point of allowing him to come to the lavatory with me. Bureaucratic moves were afoot to give him and his kind the right to female identity, a female passport even … It is strange though that a vocal and combative body of feminists did not throw the whole idea out on its’ ear before it was quietly and sneakily implemented."

In the Gender critical vid Nyk also gives like one ounce of empathy about his experience not being identical to the true and honest woman experience and my stupid, empathetic female brain ate it up. I never realised how fuckin cucked I was by being kind and giving people a chance. I was truly female socialisation in action. Oh yeah I also was creeped out by the "inner terf" character - also male estro boobs are just not the same and gross me out.

I was going to talk about how I would style Olly but then realised this was going into forced feminisation territory, sounds really gay and he'd probably like that. So I will just be a reactionary fashion critic when it comes to future outfits. Whilst Olly doesnt come across as overtly hating women to the same extent as Nyk he can be breathtakingly misogynistic. But Olly does get points from me for holding that AGP mirror up to Nyks face and then smiling out the side of his mouth with glee at Nyks turmoil.