Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

[Futaba]

It‘s returned. PT got the money back remember. But I agree with you that it would be
E.. V.. E.. R.. Y.. T.. H.. I.. N.. G..!!

Damn kind of a key point that I missed lol! Okay in that case I am calling on the powers of depop, ebay and poshmark so that Nyk can find that fated jumper - even a different colourway will do

 

[AssignedEva]

Damn kind of a key point that I missed lol! Okay in that case I am calling on the powers of depop, ebay and poshmark so that Nyk can find that fated jumper - even a different colourway will do

Contra can even work the bonfire of the vanities into the next video about moral panics or whatever and then prominently show the Versace jumper getting burned
(I'm just kidding, Contra's not going to make another video for at least a year)

 

[AfghanBlue]

Lol.

also......Tube, just let *anyone else* have *anything* without turning it towards yourself?

(dont follow or check PT, but happend upon it as retweet, following from the twitter stink dive i did, sparkd off by seeing this filth.....

GTFO of there with your tits girl, THEY DONT WANT US THERE!!- TF?
This person has 'Proud Nonbianry Pansexual' as thier twitter banner, and 'getting gayer by the moment!' in thier bio.
So you mean like....you fancy boys. And are a girl? Revolutionary. Now get the fuck out of the gay mens sauna.
The enetitlement is insane - they are like children (they play with and talk about toys and cartoons shamelessly, no stop- but the only-child kind, whose over bearing mother demands they are given everything and access anywhere...like they have to be given a present when its another kids birthday lmao.

opposite to those above- I really do hate Olly. I find him dark. Maybe its cos he's from the same town, though one of the very few extremely wealthy people form here- so i can see his lies and airs more clearly when couched in where he's from, and what he's about..
I like Contra a lot. Contras jokes actually make me laugh, and content is not excruciatingly boring and dull, and seems to have takes that havent been carefully copied off twitter numbers.

EDIT- oh yeah! PT's twitter was started in june 2013. isnt that when stephanie L's youtube account was started?

@AssignedEva he should have bought a Coogi. Maybe an old vinatge one. Not an independent thought in his head

 

[esmeggs]

Just look at how quickly Stephanie L was responding to some of the comments on this video which is an interview with Olly (Stephanie's comments are stressing that she is from the US and isn't the best authority on trans celebs in Britain, but she still thinks Olly is in the right to call himself the Trans Princess of Terf Island.):
Comment posted: 3/18/2021 13:47:44. Stephanie responds: 3/18/2021 14:23:27
Comment posted: 3/17/2021 14:06:35. Stephanie responds: 3/17/2021 17:41:14
Comment posted: 3/16/2021 14:13:10. Stephanie responds: 3/16/2021 14:40:09
Comment posted: 3/15/2021 08:57:30. Stephanie responds: 3/15/2021 10:15:31
Comment posted: 3/23/2021 00:09:36. Stephanie responds: 3/23/2021 07:20:19
Comment posted: 4/11/2021 02:07:28. Stephanie responds: 4/12/2021 17:43:53

Spoiler: Stephanie L Comments

Stephanie would have to be constantly refreshing the comments section of this Youtube video to respond to any criticism of Olly. Stephanie would be doing this alongside also checking the comments sections of Olly's videos constantly. Stephanie also has comments defending Olly under King Critical videos, the London Pride speech video, and other videos that weren't even posted by Philosophytube (but are about him). I mean she would basically be dedicating her life to refreshing comments sections under videos related to Philosophytube and also getting into Twitter arguments defending him.

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Also I forgot to mention: Stephanie going back to ask "please tell me you didn't actually realize this was the same person" just screams Olly trying to get validation that he passes so well as a woman that someone thought he was an entirely different person.

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Does anyone know where Olly said that he received flowers from Nyk for his birthday last year? I plugged the Forbidden Stream, Beauty in Ugly Times stream, and Seven Year Anniversary stream into this site and searched for "flowers" and nothing came up. Lost on how Stephanie would know this.

 

[Icterus]

Went back and checked Olly's videos from november 2013 for comments from Stephanie and they actually did make a comment on his vegetarianism video from november 22 that year - one year ago.

I doubt we'll find any earlier interaction between the accounts than 2020. The order of the subscriptions suggest that Stephanie really didn't get hooked on the tube until then (did they make a claim of when they started watching PT somewhere?) and i feel Olly didn't have much need of a zealot defending his honor on twitter until he decided to trans - Back in 2013 he seemed to be up his own ass to an ordinary degree.


Have fun theorizing, Babes. But don't forget that Occam's razor isn't suited for theories about people. I found an excellent video explaining it for those unaware of the concept. We absolutely can't leave out any superflous information. This has to become an all-encompasing theory of everything surrounding Olly and Stephanie.

It's technically a correct spelling, just not the common one. He could very well be spelling it that way as a pretentious signal of how he's read about the history of the concept, trying to seem more intelligent and authoritative.

He really did this shit in the video. You were 100% spot on there, babe.

 

[fax machine]

Most non-Americans find Americans obnoxious, tacky, and smug, so naturally PT fetishizes them. Nothing easier to love than a mirror.

If he said this shit As A Man, while putting on that sensitive leftist Prince Charming bit, he would have been cancelled to hell.

Spoiler: dear diary

I found his fake ass insufferable before transition too, and the reasons why haven't changed. He's only grown more into himself. The obsessive curation of persona, the yearning to be followed and adored, the bland Twitter leftist rhetoric grafted on naked careerism, the treatment of strange and dazzling ideas as nothing more than grist for the content mill. It was all there from the start. But there wasn't a place to talk about it, so I ignored him.

His bad instincts are only worse now because he feels transition shields him from criticisms that would have stuck before — the tweet above being a perfect example. Now if anyone blasts him for objectifying women, thirsting for attention, performing outrage without any real understanding of what he's saying etc. — he'll just call them a homophobic misogynistic transphobe, and his fans will eat it up.

 

[Victoria Adams]

So hold on.

Either Stephanie is a deranged female fan with turners syndrome who just happens to spend 100% of her time defending PT. Who also happens to live a vegan lifestyle, live in New York and work at a non-profit with strong connections to the UK. (Basically PT's perfect woman to boot).

This is someone who spent roughly 6 years making on-and-off comments about nothing but media and literature. Someone who then found out about trans breadtubers in 2020 and decided (for whatever reason) that this would be her new raison d'etre and has since spent 100% of her time on YT seeking out comments critical of PT because... because I guess trans women are the most vulnerable people in society? She apparently never thought to comment on BLM, covid, Trump, the 2020 election, January 6th etc. The last year and a half has been huge for social justice, but Stephanie has seemingly spent 100% of her time focused on PT's journey.

OR

PT started a second YT channel in 2013 in order to..... to make comments about books and media he was - again, I'm guessing - too embarrassed to admit to on his main channel? Since PT likes to talk about his love for Albert Camus, Mary Shelley etc. I can sort of see this fitting as an explanation?

Then, in a calculated move 7 months before coming out, PT decides to use this account to defend himself against any perceived criticism as a calculated ploy because - I don't know - he knew that people would be critical or something? idk.

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I really don't know which one is the more fitting explanation. Either Stephanie is a completely deranged fan who happens to fit PT's ideals of a woman. Or... PT is so incredibly calculating it's almost psychotic.

 

[Victoria Adams]

Double posting cause I'm obsessed apparently, but this spelling mistake is sending me

source = Stephanie L defending PT again obviously, this time on Carefree Wandering's channel.

 

[Francine StripeCheer]

This is exactly what Morgane Oger did. He helped gather attention around the Vancouver Rape Crisis center and got TRAs to nail dead rats to the door. He is responsible for getting that shelter defunded, even after a transwoman had sexually assaulted a woman there. The women sued and had their cases thrown out. Oger, again, is responsible for that.

So for Olly, this isn't about the protection of women. This is him being a male, butting into women's safe spaces, and looking them dead in the eye and telling them their safety comes second to his needs. Imagine this 6'1 man with a shit opera voice and huge feet waddling next to you and telling you that your rape might've made you terrified of men, but he's terrified of men too and deserves to be there.

Let's not forget that the Rape Crisis shelter in Scotland is controlled by a male who told rape victims to get over their trauma when they complained.

Because anything that has a large population of women is salivating for troons. They are forever male in their hearts, so the idea of getting women out of their spaces while feeling validated is the end goal. No matter how they dress it.

lol a tranny called Ogre

 

[Rose_of_Troon]

lol a tranny called Ogre

I’m not getting it.

 

[Tombigbee]

 

[Johan Hulth]

It's not too surprising that a megafan would be a middle-aged, middle-class career woman. It's not a stretch to imagine someone with Turners would feel camaraderie with the "not a real woman" thing too. The troon narrative wouldn't be so massive if it was only image board stripy thigh-high incels championing it. These chattering classes women are really the ones instilling it into HR corporate and education structures (although obviously there's plenty of men on board too).

 

[KinoCiudățel]

Double posting cause I'm obsessed apparently, but this spelling mistake is sending me

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source = Stephanie L defending PT again obviously, this time on Carefree Wandering's channel.

Has Oliver ever made this mistake? Stephanie has at least twice.

 

[AfghanBlue]

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Has Oliver ever made this mistake? Stephanie has at least twice.

i don’t know how someone who presents themselves as so super conscientious and tactful, could also be alright with this degree of presumptuousness of a third party’s every motive and action-
especially their presciois fave-
For all the gushing, there’s absolutely no respect of personal space, that one would give to: a separate party.

There is no possible way you would talk like this about someone else, whilst also being super nicey nice and above board in your every step, which is how Snl presents- only Olly could feel comfortable talking about Olly like that.
Literally- she’d have to be an actual nut - like a proper, straight up nut, if she’s not him. And she has given no other hint that she is- she is ever so balanced, polite, with the best of intentions and manners, and takes everything in ever such good faith-
so it makes no sense for her to behave this obsessively and to be honest, kind of out of line, in terms of boundary crossing- IF she isn’t him.

she’s got to be; either that, or he’s getting a taste of the medicine he served up to contra.

it’s very odd she’s not been seen on his patreon or on the streams (i assume, i know others have watched them though)
Again, if she was real, and this into him, she would.
It’s got to be him.
if it’s not, then we’ve found someone even more narcissistic- with regards to olly- than olly.

she’s like, a male angler fish- biologists were puzzled why t rid never found a male specimen- then it turned out the male was a tiny little fish that bit on to the females undercarriage, followed it round in the dark, and becomes ateophied, eventually her skin grows over it- when she eats, a little bit of blood gets down to him and triggers him to produce fertilisation for her eggs.
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[ProStalker11]

I agree with you he is goofy af unlike Nyk who is genuinely nefarious and I truly believe has not left his incel roots behind. Nyk high key scares me lol but at least they are somewhat good at styling clothes now.

Can we talk about this?
Contra has been transitioning for 4 years now and Olly for roughly 1 year, so why does Nyks "femininity" seems so forced compared to ollys? It's so obvious if you watch their livestreams.

I don't hate neither of them. Olly is just a obnoxious kid who thinks the world revolves around him, but Nyk creeps me the fuck out

 

[Tombigbee]

Can we talk about this?
Contra has been transitioning for 4 years now and Olly for roughly 1 year, so why does Nyks "femininity" seems so forced compared to ollys? It's so obvious if you watch their livestreams.

I don't hate neither of them. Olly is just a obnoxious kid who thinks the world revolves around him, but Nyk creeps me the fuck out

I feel the opposite. I would be physically intimidated/creeped out to be in the physical presence of Olly.

Even in the example of the livestreams I disagree. Sometimes Contra orders sushi or something and he commented once that he wanted to order something that he he could look graceful eating on camera. And to his credit he did a pretty good job. Cut to Olly shoving chocolate raisins in his mouth, working his jutting-out jaw, dropping food on the floor, chewing loudly, taking swigs of beer. Neither of them pass but Olly literally looks like Bluto in a dress. I guess Contra could be Olive Oyl lol.

And I feel like Contra’s voice has at least settled in to something that doesn’t sound so strained. Olly’s voice is terrible and sometimes he doesn’t even bother making it sound feminine whatsoever. You can sense the hysteria and the tension in it. That’s why I can watch his live streams, it’s just remarkably fascinating to see the denial of reality playing out right before you. His stubble is poking out right in front of you.

Then add in Olly’s CREEPY tongue protrusion fetish, propensity for cringe statements, heavy-handed political rhetoric. Thinking about that fucking tongue bullshit or his weird “sexy” stretches literally creeps me out as I’m typing this. Contra occasionally fires off a zinger that makes me laugh, and for all his insanity can at least be self deprecating.

What do you find “feminine” about Olly?

 

[Johan Hulth]

Can we talk about this?
Contra has been transitioning for 4 years now and Olly for roughly 1 year, so why does Nyks "femininity" seems so forced compared to ollys? It's so obvious if you watch their livestreams.

I don't hate neither of them. Olly is just a obnoxious kid who thinks the world revolves around him, but Nyk creeps me the fuck out

Nyk is textbook AGP, Buffalo Bill with added irony and self-deprecation. He's explicitly said he likes pushing people's buttons to make them uncomfortable, and all the noxious burlesque posturing of his entire presentation seems in service of this. While he's a lot more clueless and cringey, Olly just doesn't have that faggy hypersexual creepiness (even if part of him might like to). He's the Blue Peter of troons.

 

[Victoria Adams]

i don’t know how someone who presents themselves as so super conscientious and tactful, could also be alright with this degree of presumptuousness of a third party’s every motive and action-
especially their presciois fave-
For all the gushing, there’s absolutely no respect of personal space, that one would give to: a separate party.

There is no possible way you would talk like this about someone else, whilst also being super nicey nice and above board in your every step, which is how Snl presents- only Olly could feel comfortable talking about Olly like that.
Literally- she’d have to be an actual nut - like a proper, straight up nut, if she’s not him. And she has given no other hint that she is- she is ever so balanced, polite, with the best of intentions and manners, and takes everything in ever such good faith-
so it makes no sense for her to behave this obsessively and to be honest, kind of out of line, in terms of boundary crossing- IF she isn’t him.

she’s got to be; either that, or he’s getting a taste of the medicine he served up to contra.

it’s very odd she’s not been seen on his patreon or on the streams (i assume, i know others have watched them though)
Again, if she was real, and this into him, she would.
It’s got to be him.
if it’s not, then we’ve found someone even more narcissistic- with regards to olly- than olly.

she’s like, a male angler fish- biologists were puzzled why t rid never found a male specimen- then it turned out the male was a tiny little fish that bit on to the females undercarriage, followed it round in the dark, and becomes ateophied, eventually her skin grows over it- when she eats, a little bit of blood gets down to him and triggers him to produce fertilisation for her eggs.
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If it is him, then he set up this account 6 months into becoming a youtuber and used it for 6 years(!) to talk about the most benign drivel possible. This account has been posting rambling theories about Harry Potter, the Hunger Games, GoT, Les Mis and The Book Thief for years. Admittedly, they only started posting regularly in 2020 after 'discovering' PT & breadtube. But why would PT do that?

I know I said in my earlier post that he was perhaps doing it as a way to talk about media he was too embarrassed to mention on his channel. But really, I just find that so unlikely... (I also thought that maybe PT bought the account or got a friend to give it to him, but Stephanie's writing style is fairly consistent throughout so I don't think this theory works either.)

Stephanie said she volunteered at an 'independent media place' in 2014. So if it is Olly, why did he say that? Was that true for him at the time? Was he already trying to form a believable backstory for Stephanie even in 2014? Why would he give Stephanie that whole Jewish family backstory in 2016? I get that Olly is pretty fucked up, but still, this is a whole other level of calculation, performance and falsehood.

I do think there's a lot of circumstantial evidence pointing to Olly. This for example, is truly bizarre behaviour from a 'fan':

Comment posted: 3/18/2021 13:47:44. Stephanie responds: 3/18/2021 14:23:27
Comment posted: 3/17/2021 14:06:35. Stephanie responds: 3/17/2021 17:41:14
Comment posted: 3/16/2021 14:13:10. Stephanie responds: 3/16/2021 14:40:09
Comment posted: 3/15/2021 08:57:30. Stephanie responds: 3/15/2021 10:15:31
Comment posted: 3/23/2021 00:09:36. Stephanie responds: 3/23/2021 07:20:19
Comment posted: 4/11/2021 02:07:28. Stephanie responds: 4/12/2021 17:43:53

But isn't it equally weird to think that PT went around for years making these anonymous comments even before he met Nyk. Was he trying to give this account a backstory? Why would he have felt the need to do that in 2013/2014 - years before deciding to troon out. That's certifiably loony, no?

Moreover (this is becoming a fucking dissertation). Stephanie drops a few Britishisms (arse, fair cop, gotten) but mostly uses American expressions.

And would PT - someone with two Masters including one in philosophy (top of the class, apparently) - make such silly spelling mistakes as: waist of time / difficult to bare. Because I seriously hope someone with that level of education would pick up on these kinds of errors.

Spoiler: bare evidence

I honestly don't know what to make of all this.

Spoiler: Some more thoughts w/o any conclusion about Stephanie's comments on Lindsay's channel:

They've left comments all over Lindsay Ellis' videos despite not being subscribed.

Talking about HP again & fat theory a week ago:

I also do find it kind of weird that Stephanie found out about Lindsay Ellis in 2017 but they didn't lock onto ContraPoints until July, 2020 (and even then, that was only to gush at how amazing PT was). As I would imagine that the YT algorithm would have suggested Contra to Lindsay Ellis readers, no? Certainly not damning, just weird in my book.

 

[JannyJammy]

This is probably farfetched, but I wonder if this Stephanie person is actually just a very close friend of Olly's, or maybe even his girlfriend.
I mean, that would explain the fact her account is so old, but only started commenting on his videos in the last 2 years.
It also wouldn't be so insane for her to be defending him so much if that was the case (even though it's still kind of nutty), and it would be reasonable that she would know so much about Olly's thought processes on videos and stuff, since he would probably talk about it with her if they were close.

 

[Victoria Adams]

I don't fucking know anymore. Both SNL825 & Stephanie accidentally use British English spellings here: