Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

Agreed, though I swing the other way. Anecdotally, I haven't noticed a relationship between nationality and preference for PT/Contra. It has more to do with which quality in a person most disturbs you: inauthenticity (which leads to more negative feelings about PT), or sincere belief in harmful ideas (which leads to more negative feelings about Contra). To someone who hates PT's emptiness, Contra seems at least realer in comparison. To someone who hates that Contra has neurotically pondered this shit and still ended up swearing by misogyny, PT's mindless parroting of viral tweets just makes him look like a garden variety clown.

Damn I feel like I have just been laid out on a velvet chaise lounge and been correctly analysed. Its like youve compiled a DSM for unfortunate followers of PT and contra

Next video is on Islamophobia. Can't wait to see him gloss over how cruel and misogynistic the burqa is. This is one of the articles he has listed, claiming that wanting to ban the burqa is "xenophobic liberal feminism"- as if calling the burqa "a personal choice" isn't the epitome of liberal feminism.

If we don't get to see his degenerate "muslim" friend "Alice" in the next video I will fucking riot.

Islamaphobia is an actual spicey subject in comparison to his bland lemon drizzle cake that was his last video. Maybe he could open with a gender bent version of the prophet muhammad whilst reciting hadith 4098 "cursed the man who dressed like a woman and the woman who dressed like a man."

I would absolutely lose it if Alice was featured in his vid. Imagine the peaking. Alice is in some ways the worst of them all by not only identifying as a woman but as a muslim woman. He honestly makes my skin crawl.
 
This rings true for me, I don't care about authenticity and it's not something I expect from someone who is a "public figure". Contra's compulsive oversharing just comes off as idiotic and pathetic. The most shocking thing to me about the alt accounts was that they suggested that Olly might actually seriously believe in trans rights activism.

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Next video is on Islamophobia. Can't wait to see him gloss over how cruel and misogynistic the burqa is. This is one of the articles he has listed, claiming that wanting to ban the burqa is "xenophobic liberal feminism"- as if calling the burqa "a personal choice" isn't the epitome of liberal feminism.

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If we don't get to see his degenerate "muslim" friend "Alice" in the next video I will fucking riot.
"Islamophobia" is way less relevant than it was like 6 years ago but hey, we might as well dust off the good ol' "It's okay when brown people do it" axiom.

And I hope to god he includes the muslim fetish guy, that would make the vid 1000x funnier
 
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People are saying this is about Theryn, is that likely true? I know fuck all about him aside from the fact he's a HSTS that Contra was obsessed with. Could see how there would be "personal [romantic] beef" there.
 
Can we talk about this?
Contra has been transitioning for 4 years now and Olly for roughly 1 year, so why does Nyks "femininity" seems so forced compared to ollys? It's so obvious if you watch their livestreams.

I don't hate neither of them. Olly is just a obnoxious kid who thinks the world revolves around him, but Nyk creeps me the fuck out
See, I feel the complete opposite way. If anything, the more Olly makes my skin crawl, the more I find myself not really disliking Contra that much at all. At the very least, I believe she's trans.
 
I kinda see Contra as just a dude with severe mental illness circling the drain as his past trauma and delusions catch up to him. I'm not really fond of his fanbase who enable and praise (or reject and deflect, depending on if it's negative) all the shit he does as it just enables him to fuck himself and his life up even worse. I don't hate him as a result, more pity him than anything else. A lot of what he's done isn't really defendable, but i don't think he's really deserving of a tonne of hate. Just a lot of psychiatric help.

Olly, on the other hand, is either totally insane or morally and ethically bankrupt if not both. There isn't a single thing he won't try and inject himself into for attention, regardless of how it effects anyone and anything, and if trooning is a way to get more eyes on him thats the avenue he's going to take. Combined with his Nyk obsession and overall tone he is easily the more creepy of the two.
 
Then add in Olly’s CREEPY tongue protrusion fetish, propensity for cringe statements, heavy-handed political rhetoric. Thinking about that fucking tongue bullshit or his weird “sexy” stretches literally creeps me out as I’m typing this.

OMG yes! And the little squeaky noises and moans and purrs that he keeps making....Is that how women sound to him? It's literally one of the creepiest things I've ever seen.

And I have misophonia so I just cant with the eating lol.

Speaking of, in the comments from the food episode livestream:
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A Muslim named Alice. That should be the title of his biography if he pivots to writing for clout, then we could all shred his literary ability when it inevitably proves to be shit. Also, lot of people hate his voice, for me it's pretty bareable if nasally but how do troons even do it? Is it like talking in falsetto (which it doesn't sound like) from the moment you wake up? He still does it better than someone I know who's been doing it for ten years and shatters the illusion constantly if they so much as laugh too hard.
 

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Oh this one was fun.

Very nice lady, into costumes. Has criticism of the Food video. In the video she refers to PT as "she" and occasionally "they". Is bullied into publicly pinning and apology for "misgendering" in her comments. Then goes and makes a whole video apologizing.

Since when is "they/them" actually misgendering someone? Isn't the whole point that you're safe using those for anyone?
 
And I hope to god he includes the muslim fetish guy, that would make the vid 1000x funnier
he won’t include anyone else- it’s the PT show! the only other person he has ever included was an actor playing him lmao- BUT if he did include someone else it would be peak hilarity for him to include another middle class white guy as the voice for fucking muslim women
Also, lol that 99% of his big reading list was like huff post adjacent website articles. There is hardly a dearth of academic papers and books about the subject, but not with any big showey names, so fuck em.
 
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Yeah, that thread is something. What's up with his Shakespeare obsession by the way? As far as I can tell, he never actually references any of the individual plays or comments on the actual content, it's just 'Shakespeare amazing, Shakespeare amazing' all the fucking time. We get it. You're well read. Now go away and read another fucking author.
Shakespeare shit, disregard if you want.

I remember him using the "To be or not to be?" speech in one of his videos on mental health and he had this bit about Hamlet seeing a therapist, but I remember him reciting the speech in one of the most soulless ways possible. I'll grant that it's is a difficult soliloquy, and it's even harder to do well when removed from the context of the play. But my god, I've seen people who have never acted before perform Shakespeare really well as long as they know what they're saying and are in the hands of a solid director. Olly's had no life to it, no internal turmoil, no anxiety and the ultimate conclusion of the speech didn't land at all. He's obsessed with Shakespeare because they think it's prestige. People like him (overgrown theatre kids) do that all time; loving Shakespeare without taking the time to dig deeper because they think understanding the words is all there is to it. Performing Shakespeare, especially Hamlet, requires a certain type of vulnerability that Olly just doesn't have.

I'm morbidly curious about this play of his. I know that anyone who writes a play and doesn't workshop it through several rounds (which can take years), skipping straight to putting up the show, is probably not a good playwright. If "featuring Shakespearean characters" means taking them out of their original contexts, that's gonna be even worse. The blank verse thing is laughable. Olly really thinks he's Shakespeare reincarnated.
 
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People are saying this is about Theryn, is that likely true? I know fuck all about him aside from the fact he's a HSTS that Contra was obsessed with. Could see how there would be "personal [romantic] beef" there.
Oh totally. That’s hilarious. Theryn is by far my favourite of the three in that romantic triangle. So disinhibited. Manic pixie dream tran ruining contra’s boring sadboi life has something beautiful and strange about it


See, I feel the complete opposite way. If anything, the more Olly makes my skin crawl, the more I find myself not really disliking Contra that much at all. At the very least, I believe she's trans.
I completely agree. As I mentioned before… my motive for joining was to dunk on Olly’s insane alts here singing his praise. Seek help, my dude
I kinda see Contra as just a dude with severe mental illness circling the drain as his past trauma and delusions catch up to him. I'm not really fond of his fanbase who enable and praise (or reject and deflect, depending on if it's negative) all the shit he does as it just enables him to fuck himself and his life up even worse. I don't hate him as a result, more pity him than anything else. A lot of what he's done isn't really defendable, but i don't think he's really deserving of a tonne of hate. Just a lot of psychiatric help.

Olly, on the other hand, is either totally insane or morally and ethically bankrupt if not both. There isn't a single thing he won't try and inject himself into for attention, regardless of how it effects anyone and anything, and if trooning is a way to get more eyes on him thats the avenue he's going to take. Combined with his Nyk obsession and overall tone he is easily the more creepy of the two.
I completely agree. I see contra as a tragic figure. She is clearly very smart and talented - and her brothers are doing just fine. I think this is a clear case study/argument for the negative effects of medicalizing and over-medicating children. (Actually, when I think about it, Psychiatry is the only Contrapoints video that I found really missed the mark. Very biased and weird. But if it was specified to be about CHILD psychiatry exclusively, I would agree with it.) Teaching children to devote that much time to monitoring their own psyche and personal problems leads to this depressive self indulgent ~troubled~ identity…

Olly on the other hand has like zero excuse and is just a raging NPD HPD BPD nightmare, whose parents seemingly failed to notice the completely nauseating monster that they were raising. He actually reminds me of my former boss…. Just completely devoid of humanity, clawing for attention and failing to notice the rest of the room raising their eyebrows at the glib theatrics. Olly truly doesn’t see how he comes off as incredibly insincere, creepy, and opportunistic. It’s frightening and I think anyone who has had a brush with this sort of parasitic personality is immediately put off by him
 
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I hate Olly more than Nyk because Olly is a geordie.
I hate Olly more than ‘Nyk’* because Olly is not a geordie- but skin walks the label for clout just as shallowly as everything else.

* who i don’t hate at all.
how do people seem to know so much about ~dark mysterious psychodrama~ contrapponts childhood origin story?
i’ve watched all the proper videos , since the channel started in its recognisable form, before the transition proper, but not before, or the old channel.. and have never heard anything mentioned.
That said i don’t watch streams or follow twitter stuff.

Olly seems like.. well he was always extremely insufferable but you could at least try to suffer him. His trans thing seems like an absolute break where he just lost the war with trying to be decent and dove full force into all his worst narcissistic every urge.

Top of the list (well, joint top with nauseatingly self obsessed endless self promotion..actually, slightly topping it) is the lying.
He just lies none stop now about everything, and it’s all in service of, again, priming his own profile.

Proper shameful stuff-Which he hasn’t an ounce of.
Contra is dripping in shame, which is relatable. and is also a junkie, and so has good taste and an idiot streak. Can’t help but love it.

@Aegir he also held off a bit on deleting the sock after it’s initially coming to light, to make it look totally like it wasn’t anything to do with him and to try to not be too suspicious- the moment he blundered into racism was the moment when he weighed up the fact that people other than kiwifags would smelling blood and got out of dodge.
 
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Olly on the other hand has like zero excuse and is just a raging NPD BPD nightmare, whose parents seemingly failed to notice the completely nauseating monster that they were raising. He actually reminds me of my former boss…. Just completely devoid of humanity, clawing for attention and failing to notice the rest of the room raising their eyebrows at the glib theatrics. Olly truly doesn’t see how he comes off as incredibly insincere, creepy, and opportunistic. It’s frightening and I think anyone who has had a brush with this sort of parasitic personality is immediately put off by him
As a hopefully fairly interesting aside, your post spurred me to check out his recent patreon earnings...
Olly's subscriber count has been falling since April, 23rd this year, which I guess is when his transing started to lose its shine. It's dropped by 684 in 5 months, so around 137 a month / 4 a day. And that's including the little bumps every time he releases a new video. He's also dropped 2 points in the rankings and now 33rd overall (still pretty damn good considering). Shit, I was wrong, he's dropped 12 points in the rankings since April, that's actually a fairly big drop...
No idea how this would affect his income, but I'd assume it's not gone down much tbh. (Not trying to make this a: 'PT's account is imploding' post but a 'PT's account is becoming lacklustre' post.)

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My rather meandering point is that his transness didn't seem to have quite the long lasting affect he presumably hoped it would. He gained 1,774 new Patreons between Jan, 29th and the end of April, but he's already lost 1/3 of those since then. If nothing changes, he'll be back to his pre-transition Patreon number by July next year.

(Contra by the way, still ranks number 6 and has seen fairly steady numbers this year despite releasing literally only 2 videos in 9 months. His subscriptions also continue to increase each year - though god only knows why...)

Olly must have - of course - noticed all of this, right? Considering how much of a focus he pays on everything. I wonder how he feels about it all. Do we expect another coming out video next year? Olly becomes a Muslim? Olly adopts a child? What could it be!
 
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I'm morbidly curious about this play of his. I know that anyone who writes a play and doesn't workshop it through several rounds (which can take years), skipping straight to putting up the show, is probably not a good playwright. If "featuring Shakespearean characters" means taking them out of their original contexts, that's gonna be even worse. The blank verse thing is laughable. Olly really thinks he's Shakespeare reincarnated.
Same. Kiwi farms PT Thread school trip to opening night.
 
I hate Olly more than ‘Nyk’* because Olly is not a geordie- but skin walks the label for clout just as shallowly as everything else.

* who i don’t hate at all.
how do people seem to know so much about ~dark mysterious psychodrama~ contrapponts childhood origin story?
i’ve watched all the proper videos , since the channel started in its recognisable form, before the transition proper, but not before, or the old channel.. and have never heard anything mentioned.
That said i don’t watch streams or follow twitter stuff.

Olly seems like.. well he was always extremely insufferable but you could at least try to suffer him. His trans thing seems like an absolute break where he just lost the war with trying to be decent and dove full force into all his worst narcissistic every urge.

Top of the list (well, joint top with nauseatingly self obsessed endless self promotion..actually, slightly topping it) is the lying.
He just lies none stop now about everything, and it’s all in service of, again, priming his own profile.

Proper shameful stuff-Which he hasn’t an ounce of.
Contra is dripping in shame, which is relatable. and is also a junkie, and so has good taste and an idiot streak. Can’t help but love it.

@Aegir he also held off a bit on deleting the sock after it’s initially coming to light, to make it look totally like it wasn’t anything to do with him and to try to not be too suspicious- the moment he blundered into racism was the moment when he weighed up the fact that people other than kiwifags would smelling blood and got out of dodge.
I’m basing all of my psychoanalytic proclamations from watching all the old pre transition videos and combing through the contrapoints kiwi farms thread, especially the users who knew the nykytyne2 channel. It’s fascinating.

I completely agree with you about contra’s shame and olly’s shamelessness.

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People are saying this is about Theryn, is that likely true? I know fuck all about him aside from the fact he's a HSTS that Contra was obsessed with. Could see how there would be "personal [romantic] beef" there.
Also LMAO at the blatantly narcissistic sideswipe inserted in there - how much more prominent and relevant Olly is than Theryn. Most wouldn’t even recognize the name. Too bad Natalie made the wrong choice and you were clearly the one who came up on top of all this, eh? As a regular household name - the great Abigail Thorn.
 
Also LMAO at the blatantly narcissistic sideswipe inserted in there - how much more prominent and relevant Olly is than Theryn. Most wouldn’t even recognize the name. Too bad Natalie made the wrong choice and you were clearly the one who came up on top of all this, eh? As a regular household name - the great Abigail Thorn.
to be fair, it was said that a massage place recommendation would have to be given privately, as any public knowledge of where the tube was getting serviced would cause an “international fucking incident”
it was said today, on twitter. By Tube.
Tube is very famous, He says so!
 
how do people seem to know so much about ~dark mysterious psychodrama~ contrapponts childhood origin story?
i’ve watched all the proper videos , since the channel started in its recognisable form, before the transition proper, but not before, or the old channel.. and have never heard anything mentioned.

@Aegir he also held off a bit on deleting the sock after it’s initially coming to light, to make it look totally like it wasn’t anything to do with him and to try to not be too suspicious- the moment he blundered into racism was the moment when he weighed up the fact that people other than kiwifags would smelling blood and got out of dodge.
Here's the video on psychiatry that Nyk put out where he mentions all the psychiatric meds he was on as a child, if you weren't already convinced that putting children on psychiatric meds is evil.
I think Olly held off on deleting it because he thought he could convince us that the alts weren't him, like in his attempt to fool us by tweeting during his last livestream and then commenting under that livestream to make it look like snl825 is a real woman named Stephanie. He didn't factor in that @fax machine was resourceful enough to be able to dig up all of Stephanie's youtube comments, and that I'm autistic enough to go back and review the footage of his livestream to see if it was possible that he was able to type out that tweet during his livestream. He also probably thought that it would've looked worse for him if snl825 was deleted right after we found it, but it probably would've been better for him if he had.

I don't think the racism accusations were what made him finally delete it (though it could've contributed), that wouldn't have even been the first time snl825 was called racist. That tweet calling snl825 racist was posted on 9/14 and the account wasn't deleted until 9/16 anyway. I think he just realized that it was beyond saving and he was better off just deleting before I wrote another essay about it.
(Of course this all assuming that Stephanie is Olly, but I mean... let's be real)
Same. Kiwi farms PT Thread school trip to opening night.
I'm actually somewhat upset that I'll be missing out on seeing his play. I'd pay so much to see it ngl.
Sorry to correct you luv, but I don’t think either of them called a vagina a ‚fuckhole‘ ever. At least not publicly. In her ‚gender critical‘-vid contrapoints quoted terfspeech, about how a neovag isn’t a ‚real‘ vagina, just a ‚fuckhole‘, and she added she wouldn’t want a ‚real vagina‘ (which terfs claim is a ‚sacred passage‘) cuz she wouldn’t know what to do with it aside from getting fingered by the pope lmao.🤣
It's the same thing really, starting at 1:17 he says a surgical wound that functions only for intercourse is basically a functioning vagina and then he makes fun of women that say a vagina is more than just a "fuckhole". Male behavior.
 
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