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Oy, who's paying for this hotel then? It fancy.
Grace Lavery / Joseph Lavery & Daniel M. Lavery / Mallory Ortberg - "Straight with extra steps" couple trooning out to avoid "dwindling into mere heterosexuality"
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Oy, who's paying for this hotel then? It fancy.
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Wait, is he allowed to be out of his room like that with a covid diagnosis? He should be in quarantine. Mallory should report his ass for that. I would in a heartbeat if I were her.
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Yeah, wtf. There's guests milling around everywhere.
Mallory calling the "COVID cops.....I mean, the HOTEL STAFF" on his dumb ass.
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I don't think Covid quarantine rules apply to people who can afford fancy hotels.
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It's not gone. The pic that @Trianon screencapped is the third or fourth one in an ...album (vocabulary missing: I'm not sure what multi-picture posts are called on Instagram).
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Surely Joe will make the hotel aware of the fact he’s an active covid case and using their hotel to quarantine, so extra precautions will be taken, house keeping and other staff will be kept out of the room while he’s there and it will undergo additional sanitation and cleaning upon his departure?
Nah, I’m sure Joe won’t say shit and will demand housekeepers get infected by cleaning his room daily.
Nah, I’m sure Joe won’t say shit and will demand housekeepers get infected by cleaning his room daily.
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And people with Covid just hang out with everyone then?
I don’t wish anything bad on Joe and I do feel sorry for him right now. But why is he out in the lobby of this hotel? That is a violation of quarantine norms! Anyone unvaccinated or who might not have developed a good immune response to the vaccine is at risk. I don’t understand unless he’s really not okay or thinking clearly. If he’s not doing well, I hope there are actual friends he can call on and not just jerks who only hang around for the circus.
Is it possible he hasn’t been paying attention to the Covid news! Guy, you need to go to your room. Drink some broth and Gatorade. Only do door dash and don’t leave!
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Yeah, that one stood out, but here's the others.
Apparently he really does have bad brain fog.
However.
"New lovers"
!!!!
Is he really fucking sleeping with someone ELSE?
Or is this just metaphorical "in New York I slept with 80 lesbians every month ... how I miss it."
"Roasts"
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I'm sure the covid is unpleasant, but Joe's primary ailment right now is definitely narcissistic supply withdrawal. (Which, fair, I wouldn't want to be alone with nothing but my own mind for company if I were Joe, either.) No wonder he was so desperate to get on that plane.
Christ, he's been "alone" (aka only receiving absurdly overwrought praise and attention online, rather than online and daily in person from Mallory and Lily) in a fancy hotel for... less than a week.
The depths of intellectualized self-involvement (self-obsession, really) that both Mallory and Joe display is truly their lolcow special sauce. And so, despite myself, I do feel a very tiny bit bad for Joe -- I think this IRL narc/sex supply cold turkey is one of the most genuine displays of distress we've seen from him. No coy pleasure to be derived from playing the victim here, no mean Kiwis or TERFs to blame. Even he must know that posting melodramatic poems from his luxe digs is a bit pathetic, but it seems like he can't help himself in the absence of Mo and Lily to prop his ego up. Grim.
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Joe, we're right here.
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His stache is coming in nicely. Also that poem is shit. Even as a pleb (with no one having any expectation of great literary content from me), I would be too embarrassed to post something like that. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that covid is causing his writing to be extra shitty, but he should consider refraining from posting until the covid fog lifts.
Mallory must be having the time of her life. Freedom from Joe without any of the angst of knowing he's out there fucking around.
Mallory must be having the time of her life. Freedom from Joe without any of the angst of knowing he's out there fucking around.
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I assume Joe's hotel lobby selfies were from his quest to go pick up someone to pity fuck him from the hotel bar.
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Joe is back to posting pics of his fancy life and I’m going to be the jerk who points out, unless your net worth is 4-8 million I don’t think this is an appropriate habit of expenditure.
I doubt he could scrape together a million in assets yet he lives like a multi millionaire. I suppose he will get a California state pension and is hoping for royalties in addition to his sub stack, but he vacations, hobbies, and shops like a Kardashian and isn’t a millionaire much less a billionaire.
If he’s managed to hold on to a million in assets I’d be surprised.
He has no idea that many people he rubs shoulders with out in the world have many more assets and a better financial plan than he does. The boring people he turns down his nose at are most likely doing better financially.
Do he and Mal even own real estate? He never mentions investments or retirement. He doesn’t mention any kind of assets at all.
It seems he spends enough to puff away all the income on things that don’t have any staying power and are only class signals.
Big hat no cattle I guess.
To each his own. It just chafes to know the money he has pissed away and then to know he will turn around later and attack people who had the nerve to use their money to buy assets like rentals or investments and he will tantrum about them not paying enough taxes and beat the drums of class warfare.
He is worse though. He will spend all he has been given and then will turn around and still demand to be cared for on other people’s hard earned income and disciplined use of it.
You don’t always have to stay at the fancy place. You don’t always have to buy $500 caftans or $600 shoes. The best makeup. Expensive hairstylists. You don’t have to buy any hobby you want.
Maybe read Suzy Orman, Joe, she’s a lesbian like you! I swear someone needs to parent this adult child.
Edit: I’m breaking rules here as I’m finding myself white knighting more and more. Why do I care? I don’t know. I guess I just hate to see waste when people could set themselves up for real success. Then again, creepy prison hand tats tell you this isn’t a forward thinking person.
I doubt he could scrape together a million in assets yet he lives like a multi millionaire. I suppose he will get a California state pension and is hoping for royalties in addition to his sub stack, but he vacations, hobbies, and shops like a Kardashian and isn’t a millionaire much less a billionaire.
If he’s managed to hold on to a million in assets I’d be surprised.
He has no idea that many people he rubs shoulders with out in the world have many more assets and a better financial plan than he does. The boring people he turns down his nose at are most likely doing better financially.
Do he and Mal even own real estate? He never mentions investments or retirement. He doesn’t mention any kind of assets at all.
It seems he spends enough to puff away all the income on things that don’t have any staying power and are only class signals.
Big hat no cattle I guess.
To each his own. It just chafes to know the money he has pissed away and then to know he will turn around later and attack people who had the nerve to use their money to buy assets like rentals or investments and he will tantrum about them not paying enough taxes and beat the drums of class warfare.
He is worse though. He will spend all he has been given and then will turn around and still demand to be cared for on other people’s hard earned income and disciplined use of it.
You don’t always have to stay at the fancy place. You don’t always have to buy $500 caftans or $600 shoes. The best makeup. Expensive hairstylists. You don’t have to buy any hobby you want.
Maybe read Suzy Orman, Joe, she’s a lesbian like you! I swear someone needs to parent this adult child.
Edit: I’m breaking rules here as I’m finding myself white knighting more and more. Why do I care? I don’t know. I guess I just hate to see waste when people could set themselves up for real success. Then again, creepy prison hand tats tell you this isn’t a forward thinking person.
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Four nights at the Fairmont will run you at least $1400. That is quite a chunk for someone who earned $95k in 2019.
If today is day 6 of covid, per his latest instagram post, that means he was actually symptomatic on the 15th, the day before he tried to board a cross-country flight. He's also disobeying the SF Department of Health quarantine directive, which requires at least 10 days of quarantine after the onset of symptoms. Maybe he should have chosen to stay somewhere he could afford a minimum ten-day quarantine? Just astonishingly irresponsible.
Also, I would be very interested to know whether he informed the hotel of his diagnosis, given the last point in their vaccination requirement announcement:
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Eh, the hotel isn’t that fancy, esp not the typical suites which are akin to a new Marriott, it’s just in an very nice location but the public areas, views and restaurants are very nice. I’d say he picked it because it’s more affordable than the luxury boutique hotels around SF.
However, all his spending behavior should be encouraged and applauded at all costs. KF needs to post how totally jealously they are of all of fatty’s mid-life crisis expenditures.
Joe is a typical chav. He got a lump sum payment for his substack and will blow it all by the end of the year. Joe was living like a poor college student when he met Mallory ffs and he was almost 40. He’s used her connections to spin some quick money and it will be gone as fast as it came. The poor thing will be back to living on his Berkeley salary soon. But he will have a fancy Chinese mawmaw wardrobe, gaudy tea kettles, lots of gadgets, 15 pairs of lost AirPods and probably a few ex-girlfriends for all that money.
I guess Mallory will be left to support him, though I don’t think she’s much better with money looking at her current state of affairs, but she got about $290k after taxes so that can at least float her longer than Joe.
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Agree on the hotel. It’s more the entire lifestyle that he’s living that is over the top, along with the fact that you know he never packs a lunch or had any sort of budget plan for anything.
Mallory grew up around quite a few people with 20+ million in assets easily, some more, some less obviously. Maybe she never knew that she was supposed to have money in the bank to justify big expenses. Do they honestly not understand that they are flying high on average incomes? I don’t fault someone for an average income, but do some research. Set a budget. Get some perspective. The chances people want to read your Jane Austen penis themed books or whatever for forever are about nil.
He had no clue and surprisingly it seems she doesn’t either.
My theory is she grew up on the church dole so she’s fine with mooching off friends. Joe grew up poor so he doesn’t understand your basic 300k a year couple doesn’t wear haute couture or stay in the Maui Four Seasons (or places like that). He’s buying things that really really rich people would buy. And with seemingly no assets. Hence their hatred of landlords and their misunderstanding that landlords may be at Joe and Mal’s income or even less. They judge a landlord for protecting assets while wasting theirs.
You’re right. At this rate it will be all gone soon. Pretty pathetic honestly. He’s 40 and should have a well funded retirement plan by now. If he gets a state pension (not sure how CA works for vestment/number of years), but even if he does, he needs a lot more dollars than he’s keeping to retire at the same level he’s living now. He’s kind of a dumb, impulsive smart person I guess.
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I've known people from rich families who lived in these rich enclave cities as kids and it really skews their perspective of what "normal" spending looks like.
Several of these people who I've known have been estranged from their parents over things like "my dad wouldn't finance my third master's degree and told me to get loans," "my parents wouldn't pay for my apartment or a car when I was working an entry-level job even though lots of my friends had their parents support them until they had a good job," and my personal favorite, "my parents told me they'd only pay for a 2 bedroom apartment if I got a roommate, but I need the extra room."
A lot of these kids had parents who were largely absent, and they were cared for primarily by nannies or daycare centers, and later school. Their parents viewed material items as their main way of proving their love to their child, but the parents get confused and distressed when later on, the kid insists the parent continue to show them love in the same way. These families end up in a hell of their own making, with the parents despondent that their child only seems to love them for their ability to give them a better lifestyle, and the kid feeling like they don't have a tighter bond than that to their parents, and like any "I won't pay for that" putting-one's-foot-down is a direct signal saying "I don't love you that much, not as much as your old high school friends' parents love their kids, at any rate."
These kids have a straight-up awful time in the world when it's time to move out from mom and dad's place, if mom and dad aren't willing to foot a lot of bills. They're so used to fulfilling every whim and even a large expense never being more than a birthday or Christmas away. They're shocked when a designer bag habit eats their whole paycheck and they end up in credit card debt, or when they can't get a professional, high-quality salon dye job every few weeks to touch up their color.
How to prevent it? Good question. I've had a lot of occasion to think about it.
It's no wonder a lot of these kids end up "childfree" and full of resentment about the idea of childhood in general. They see other people getting the treatment they feel they're entitled to, and it makes them feel jealous rage. They never get the impulse to give and give and give, they just want to take and take.
Several of these people who I've known have been estranged from their parents over things like "my dad wouldn't finance my third master's degree and told me to get loans," "my parents wouldn't pay for my apartment or a car when I was working an entry-level job even though lots of my friends had their parents support them until they had a good job," and my personal favorite, "my parents told me they'd only pay for a 2 bedroom apartment if I got a roommate, but I need the extra room."
A lot of these kids had parents who were largely absent, and they were cared for primarily by nannies or daycare centers, and later school. Their parents viewed material items as their main way of proving their love to their child, but the parents get confused and distressed when later on, the kid insists the parent continue to show them love in the same way. These families end up in a hell of their own making, with the parents despondent that their child only seems to love them for their ability to give them a better lifestyle, and the kid feeling like they don't have a tighter bond than that to their parents, and like any "I won't pay for that" putting-one's-foot-down is a direct signal saying "I don't love you that much, not as much as your old high school friends' parents love their kids, at any rate."
These kids have a straight-up awful time in the world when it's time to move out from mom and dad's place, if mom and dad aren't willing to foot a lot of bills. They're so used to fulfilling every whim and even a large expense never being more than a birthday or Christmas away. They're shocked when a designer bag habit eats their whole paycheck and they end up in credit card debt, or when they can't get a professional, high-quality salon dye job every few weeks to touch up their color.
How to prevent it? Good question. I've had a lot of occasion to think about it.
In my opinion, parents should get kids used to the idea at a semi-early age that they're a bit hardassed, even if they're well-off. Even if you buy your kids a lot of stuff, make sure your house has rules they chafe under, just a bit. If you always wanted to put band posters up in your room and your mom was a hardass about it, there's something fucking magical about getting your first place and being able to say "this place is the size of a shoebox and it always smells a little like the KFC down the block, but I'm going to stick up these 10 posters with stick-n-tack and get dinged by the landlord on my deposit when I move out."
Most kids from working class households had something like that. Usually it's not until you move out that you realize...mom and dad didn't have to impose that rule, they did it to make me want to spread my wings and leave the nest.
Rich kid parents get too doting: kid drinking surreptitiously from dad's liquor cabinet? No need to tell them to pay it back and ground their ass until they get the picture. Just tell them that next time they drink, let dear mummy and daddy know and we'll put on a big party for you and all your friends, babykins! You want band posters in your room? No need for the stick-n-tack, we'll have each and every one custom framed and hire an interior decorator to put them where they look best. These parents think they're being kind by allowing anything that can reasonably be allowed, and enabling kids to do whatever they want in the nicest, most proper way that money allows. What they're actually doing is making it so that there's nothing really good about moving out.
The only things they haven't been allowed to do are actively harmful or thoroughly disgusting, so any rebellion goes down depraved routes. If you're one of these kids, especially if you decide you're going into the arts or nonprofit work or something after having professional-class parents, living alone means you have less space, less free time (since you're going to have to clean and maintain your own shit instead of using mommy and daddy's housekeeper), and less freedom overall (because the lack of easy money access curtails your available list of activities).
Most kids from working class households had something like that. Usually it's not until you move out that you realize...mom and dad didn't have to impose that rule, they did it to make me want to spread my wings and leave the nest.
Rich kid parents get too doting: kid drinking surreptitiously from dad's liquor cabinet? No need to tell them to pay it back and ground their ass until they get the picture. Just tell them that next time they drink, let dear mummy and daddy know and we'll put on a big party for you and all your friends, babykins! You want band posters in your room? No need for the stick-n-tack, we'll have each and every one custom framed and hire an interior decorator to put them where they look best. These parents think they're being kind by allowing anything that can reasonably be allowed, and enabling kids to do whatever they want in the nicest, most proper way that money allows. What they're actually doing is making it so that there's nothing really good about moving out.
The only things they haven't been allowed to do are actively harmful or thoroughly disgusting, so any rebellion goes down depraved routes. If you're one of these kids, especially if you decide you're going into the arts or nonprofit work or something after having professional-class parents, living alone means you have less space, less free time (since you're going to have to clean and maintain your own shit instead of using mommy and daddy's housekeeper), and less freedom overall (because the lack of easy money access curtails your available list of activities).
It's no wonder a lot of these kids end up "childfree" and full of resentment about the idea of childhood in general. They see other people getting the treatment they feel they're entitled to, and it makes them feel jealous rage. They never get the impulse to give and give and give, they just want to take and take.
this right here is like 80% of why California is so fucked
the state is now on the second generation of people who can only afford to live there because they grew up raised and educated by lottery winners with absolutely zero understanding of how to build wealth and protect society
the sexual degeneracy is just the most visible and icky and funniest aspect of this catastrophe. talking about people's financial degeneracy is not as amusing and it's hard to even explain to people outside of Californian insanity because it's so difficult for normal people to believe that adults would really live like that. But you can very easily find yourself living in a world in California where *everyone you know lives like that.*
and yes when they finally burn through their cash and have to face up to the reality of Mallory disinheriting herself they will go even harder against inherited wealth, landlords, and everything else that created the world that allowed them to play around for so long.
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Jo and Mo are trying to impress and live up to their idea of successful bicoastal liberal queer elites. It's an idea they got from living in the ultra-wealthy bay area. It would be an interesting experiment to see how they would decide to live if they were forbidden from posting on SM. I've noticed only people very concerned with impressing others and sizable inferiority complex constantly and publicly post about their meals out, new purchases, travels, etc...
(Actual successful/ wealthy people know it's a very bad idea to flaunt wealth and their locations, and if they do it only do it via private accounts with actual trusted friends. They don't feel the need to publicly post such stuff because they don't have inferiority complexes about their wealth or lifestyle. The one exception to this is "celebrities" who base their "brand" on being rich and famous so have to constantly showcase a lifestyle befitting the "image" they are trying to sell to the public, but it isn't them sharing their actual life it's just a marketing campaign. However, it's particularly hilarious Joe does this flaunting constantly since he also claims he is so fearful about the TERF assassin squad out to get him. He's bereft no one actually gives a fuck and can barely be bothered to send nasty tweets.
Even after they got married Mo and Jo were near-broke, in debt and needed loans to even move to NYC (& moving to NYC was yet another dumb ass decision but one that fit Joe's fantasy of being a bicoastal elite literary queer). Think about how Joe was living as a nearly 40 year old man and gainfully employed UC professor when he met Mo - like you would expect a 22 year old graduate assistant to be living.
The only reason they hate landlords and capitalism is because they don't own property and aren't absurdly wealthy, so just pure envy. They can't have a luxury urban residences in NY and SF plus all the instant gratification luxury spending they want. My guess is they will continue to pay $3k plus a month for generic 1000 sq ft. apartments in expensive urban zip codes and piss away all that after-tax substack cash rather quickly. With the downturn in the NYC real estate market and their substack cash I figured they would at least upgrade their rental unit. (I figure Joe is pulling in less than $30k a year now at his real job thanks to the travel and living expenses associated with trying to teach at Berkeley while living in Brooklyn like an absolute retard.) The fact they haven't taken advantage of incentives for first time home buyers and use some of that substack cash to buy a small house or apartment (in either city, but Richmond or Oakland seem like a no-brainer since Joe has an actual tenured job at UCB) as an investment is mind boggling. It would at least save them a lot in taxes and a good way to park/invest their cash in something besides gender surgeries, vacations and clothing. Then again that's assuming a bank would loan them well over a million dollars for a mortgage and I get the feeling that's not the case. Shopping for a house on a budget they could afford isn't very glamorous. Joe would have to go spend $3k at Fendi to soothe his bruised ego after the real estate agent shows the places available in their budget range.
They are bitter and resentful that they can't afford a luxury home or apartment in SF or NYC befitting their imagined status. They couldn't even afford a IG worthy, 2 bathroom apartment in Brooklyn ffs, just a place with a silly amount of French doors. I'll be curious if they bother trying to do anything with their influx of Substack cash besides piss it away on clothes, vacays, marriage therapists, a nupenis and Joe trying to buy a thinner, prettier face. I don't think they can significantly reign in the stupid spending (like needlessly living in Brooklyn while Joe has an actual job in California), $700 sack cloth clothes, subsidizing Joe's girlfriends, eating out all the time, travel, etc... If you take away all the distraction and instant gratification that the money buys them, their relationship would be over very quickly. Does anyone think Joe, Moe and Lilly could live happily together on a budget in a home in Ann Arbor for a year? lol. A year of living on a budget spells doom for Joe and Moe's glorious trans-marriage. Joe will be done with Mallory if he ends up having to support her on HIS salary.
It think they will continue to be idiots who earn decent incomes but have next to nothing to show for it besides an extra 50lbs, a hideous portrait, a closet of over-priced, ugly fat clothes and pickle jars. I don't think they even have any furniture non-disposible furniture at this point.
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I'll still take 10000 of these gnarly teeth shots over Joe's usual revolting duckface.
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