Pedophilia in the gay community - oh no, homophobia

[Iron Jaguar]

Let's be honest: the real title for this thread should be "Homosexuals Found Among Pedophile Community"

 

[Noir drag freak]

It leads to more alienation, because it is based on lies and propaganda in the first place.

The thing about being a deviant that deviants must accept is that they are deviating. They take freedom instead of conforming and it actually makes sense for there to be a cost for that. If there is no social cost for nonconformity, then you don't make people safer, you put people in more danger as soft constraints are gone and people like Ryu can do whatever and everyone is told to accept it until they molest another kid again.

My point is that male and female children shouldn't be alienated or isolated by their family for their falling outside of gender norms. A male child shouldn't have to feel different from other male children, just because he doesn't engage in rough and tumble play. A male child shouldn't feel like less of a male child because he doesn't engage in male typical behaviors for his culture.

I understand what you're saying about social cost for being a deviant. I agree that there should be a social cost. Social cost gives people's choices meaning. That's probably what is lacking right now.

Considering the lgbtq generally supports everything that pushes us towards that regime, their freedom will be shortlived and cut short anyways. You get to be any gender you want, living in your pod, eating bugs and subjected to social pressures you can't even imagine yet, just like you couldn't imagine the current travel restrictions even 2 years ago.

But gender doesn't exist, just expression.

 

[Lemmingwise]

But gender doesn't exist, just expression.

Absolute madness.

My point is that male and female children shouldn't be alienated or isolated by their family for their falling outside of gender norms. A male child shouldn't have to feel different from other male children, just because he doesn't engage in rough and tumble play. A male child shouldn't feel like less of a male child because he doesn't engage in male typical behaviors for his culture.

I understand what you're saying about social cost for being a deviant. I agree that there should be a social cost. Social cost gives people's choices meaning. That's probably what is lacking right now.

Regarding social cost, it's like going to the kiwifarms. That makes all of us weirdo's and it's not something anyone should be proud of even if the site is fun.

As for "people shouldn't feel".... people that are different will feel different regardless. And be treated different. Trying to forcefully prevent that completely is a lot more harmful. Like the whole gender neutral raising of children, that you see in education locally in areas inside canada and sweden, for example. Probably a lot of other places. Telling kids gender or sex doesn't exist will end up confusing and harming them more.

It's the same blank slate theory, and it's intellectually the result of critical theory, which fundamentally denies any objective truths. It's a kind of thinkpoison that is one of the core elements of the intellectual rot in the west. It's applied to almost everything, and yes alssso to gender. Gender doesn't exist, you say. Madness.

If a male child engages in less male typical behaviour, then it means he is less acting like a male. I get that there's probably a lot of hurt and pain connected to that idea for you. And I don't know the degree to which you experienced isolation as a result, nor your response to some of that when you were a teen or older, when we start to develop some responsibility to how we're being treated.

Compare it to say; racism. If you translate what you said, you'd say, kids shouldn't feel like less of a white child when they're black. But that's what they are, black. It's like that well intentioned, inadvertently bigoted line "I don't see you as black". Seeing you as less of a male child, would have been seeing you as you were (I presume). Because I'm pretty sure that on the spectrum, you lean far into the efffeminate male territory, right?

Now I don't think it's something you should be bullied for every day, but I also think it should make you immune from jokes from peers, or criticism. None of us perfectly fit the roles we play in life, but good education is at least learning what's expected in the roles we are to fill. That's why new generations will have so much difficulty being happy and/or satisfied with each other in relationships; this has already been on a bad path for decades. And denying the existence of biological sex is harmful. The current path of dismantling gender roles is a net harm. I don't mind that there are some deviants, but we're making deviancy the status quo and that is turning life bitter for all of us; for children more than anything.

 

[The Great Chandler]

I feel bad for God honest gay parents who don't groom their kids to be like them, but said parents end up lumped with those pedo groomers types

 

[Niggernerd]

I just love how you have no evidence to rebut me.

Even plebbit won't defend you for being a pedophile faggot

 

[Iron Jaguar]

gay parents who don't groom their kids to be like them,

Sure. And I feel sorry for unicorns and elves and gryphons and mermaids.

 

[ryu289]

It's the same blank slate theory, and it's intellectually the result of critical theory, which fundamentally denies any objective truths. It's a kind of thinkpoison that is one of the core elements of the intellectual rot in the west. It's applied to almost everything, and yes alssso to gender. Gender doesn't exist, you say. Madness.

If a male child engages in less male typical behaviour, then it means he is less acting like a male. I get that there's probably a lot of hurt and pain connected to that idea for you. And I don't know the degree to which you experienced isolation as a result, nor your response to some of that when you were a teen or older, when we start to develop some responsibility to how we're being treated.

It sounds like you are victim blaiming here. You are also falling for the ought-is fallacy here. I mean how do you determine how a person should act based on their biology? What you propose is very hazardous:

The Masculinity Motivation | Stanford Law Review

The first reports emerged in October 2017 in the New York Times and the New Yorker that dozens of women had accused movie producer Harvey Weinstein of

www.stanfordlawreview.org

How ‘Boys Will Be Boys’ Still Poisons Our Legal System

Defenses like ‘locker-room talk’ aren’t just memorable Trump lines — they’re used to normalize male sexual violence in courtrooms nationwide

melmagazine.com

Trying to forcefully prevent that completely is a lot more harmful. Like the whole gender neutral raising of children, that you see in education locally in areas inside canada and sweden, for example. Probably a lot of other places. Telling kids gender or sex doesn't exist will end up confusing and harming them more.

Really?

The Results of Sweden's Extreme Gender-Neutral Education

Sweden has led the way on extreme gender-neutral preschool education for twenty years; now a study summarizes the results. It turns out gender neutral education can reduce gender stereotypes.

theswaddle.com

Sweden’s gender-neutral preschools produce kids who are more likely to succeed

A new study looks at what the preschoolers do and do not associate with "boys" and "girls."

qz.com

How to Raise a Feminist Son (Published 2017)

We raise our girls to fight stereotypes and pursue their dreams, but we don’t do the same for our boys.

www.nytimes.com

This isn't telling kids that "gender" doesn't exist fyi. It's just to point out they have a choice and don't need to follow steryotypes

And denying the existence of biological sex is harmful. The current path of dismantling gender roles is a net harm.

What some call "biological sex" depends on alot of factors going in a certain direction which we shouldn't take for granted.

Accordingly, "some people may cross-dress, some may want to socially transition," and others may decide to medically transition with hormone therapies or gender affirmation surgery notes the American Psychiatric Association.

And those who do so are almost always shown to be in good health: https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc...ng-term-mental-health-benefits-study-n1079911

https://www.transadvocate.com/cling...of-transgender-medical-literature_n_13842.htm

https://web.archive.org/web/2018090...image-sexual-functioning-and-quality-of-life/

https://genderanalysis.net/2015/09/...ransitioning-is-effective-gender-analysis-10/

https://genderanalysis.net/2019/12/...-gender-clinics-are-overwhelmingly-satisfied/

https://web.archive.org/web/2018090...eversal-statistics-a-clearer-picture-emerges/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dawnst...tic-gender-at-early-age-just-like-other-kids/

https://kathrynhgordon.com/2018/05/...ed-statements-from-a-viral-ben-shapiro-video/

Now I don't think it's something you should be bullied for every day, but I also think it should make you immune from jokes from peers, or criticism. None of us perfectly fit the roles we play in life, but good education is at least learning what's expected in the roles we are to fill.

See above. You can't just expect everyone to fit inside a narrow field of choices. And the abuse is done to force them in these boxes:

Link Between LGBT, Religion & Homelessness, Suicide

Being gay or in any way sexually different can be a real challenge for people who live in religious communities, and it appears that the higher the

www.patheos.com

Disparities for LGBTQ and Gender Nonconforming Adolescents

By examining experiences of household dysfunction and abuse, disparities in patterns of adversity (such as polyvictimization) for LGBTQ and gender nonconforming adolescents are identified in this study.

pediatrics.aappublications.org

If anything you are promoting genetic determinism.

 

[Lemmingwise]

If anything you are promoting genetic determinism.

Yeah, but it's called biology.

 

[ryu289]

Yeah, but it's called biology.

Wow, you ignore everything else I said...
In fact you also ignore me saying

What some call "biological sex" depends on alot of factors going in a certain direction which we shouldn't take for granted.

You seem to conflate sex with gender. Sex which is usually categorized as female or male but there is variation in the biological attributes that comprise sex and how those attributes are expressed. Gender refers to the socially constructed roles, behaviours, expressions and identities of girls, women, boys, men, and gender diverse people.

Is it that hard to understand?

 

[GenociderSyo]

Wow, you ignore everything else I said...
In fact you also ignore me saying

You seem to conflate sex with gender. Sex which is usually categorized as female or male but there is variation in the biological attributes that comprise sex and how those attributes are expressed. Gender refers to the socially constructed roles, behaviours, expressions and identities of girls, women, boys, men, and gender diverse people.

Is it that hard to understand?

You literallly just cut and paste the first thing that came up when you google sex vs gender:

 

[NerdShamer]

Sex which is usually categorized as female or male but there is variation in the biological attributes that comprise sex and how those attributes are expressed. Gender refers to the socially constructed roles, behaviours, expressions and identities of girls, women, boys, men, and gender diverse people.

Is it that hard to understand?

What's the difference between an tomboy and a transman?

 

[ryu289]

You literallly just cut and paste the first thing that came up when you google sex vs gender:

So?
Is it wrong?

What's the difference between an tomboy and a transman?

Gender expression vs gender identity

 

[GenociderSyo]

So?
Is it wrong?

From Merriam-Webster:
Sex :

• Either of the two major forms of individuals that occur in many species and that are distinguished respectively as female or male especially on the basis of their reproductive organs and structures
• The sum of the structural, functional, and sometimes behavioral characteristics of organisms that distinguish males and females

Gender:

• The behavioral, cultural, or psychological traits typically associated with one sex

This is why we state transgender and not transexual (which was deemed a derogatory word).

 

[NerdShamer]

Gender expression vs gender identity

But does it still count if there's an "tomboy to transmasc" pipeline?

 

[Lemmingwise]

Is it wrong?

Yes.

Wow, you ignore everything else I said..

Get used to being ignored, pedo.

What's the difference between an tomboy and a transman?

The latter is mentally ill and fell for a growing cult of meat reshapers.

 

[Thomas Talus]

Is it at all relevant to the discussion that the principal form of homosexuality in antiquity, across a broad spectrum of cultures, has been in the form of "socially dominant older male penetrates socially inferior younger male", often in the form of institutionalized pederasty? In Greco-Roman societies, citizens used boys and slaves, rather than having relations with each other; being the bottom in a relationship with another man would have been scandalous. In Japan, a man with status might take an actor as a lover, but again with the understanding that the actor would be the bottom, as acting was a less-than-reputable trade and you don't reverse the statuses like that. And in Afghanistan, we still have the Bacha Bazi floating around, centered around the abuse of boys. The only counter-example I can think of is the Two-Sprit thing, but even that required one of them to effectively take on a strictly female role.

 

[ryu289]

From Merriam-Webster:
Sex :

• Either of the two major forms of individuals that occur in many species and that are distinguished respectively as female or male especially on the basis of their reproductive organs and structures
• The sum of the structural, functional, and sometimes behavioral characteristics of organisms that distinguish males and females

Gender:

• The behavioral, cultural, or psychological traits typically associated with one sex

This is why we state transgender and not transexual (which was deemed a derogatory word).

Eh close enough.

But does it still count if there's an "tomboy to transmasc" pipeline?

Depends if the gender dysphoria/identity is persistent.

Get used to being ignored, pedo.

It's very convenient for you to ignore stuff you can't rebut.

The latter is mentally ill and fell for a growing cult of meat reshapers.

No it isn't.
Accordingly, "some people may cross-dress, some may want to socially transition," and others may decide to medically transition with hormone therapies or gender affirmation surgery notes the American Psychiatric Association.

And those who do so are almost always shown to be in good health: https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc...ng-term-mental-health-benefits-study-n1079911

https://www.transadvocate.com/cling...of-transgender-medical-literature_n_13842.htm

https://web.archive.org/web/2018090...image-sexual-functioning-and-quality-of-life/

https://genderanalysis.net/2015/09/...ransitioning-is-effective-gender-analysis-10/

https://genderanalysis.net/2019/12/...-gender-clinics-are-overwhelmingly-satisfied/

https://web.archive.org/web/2018090...eversal-statistics-a-clearer-picture-emerges/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dawnst...tic-gender-at-early-age-just-like-other-kids/

https://kathrynhgordon.com/2018/05/...ed-statements-from-a-viral-ben-shapiro-video/

 

[Lemmingwise]

It's very convenient for you to ignore stuff you can't rebut

You've been rebutted time and time again, in this thread and others and show no sign of learning, even sometimes using only data from your own links.

I'd have to be a real arse to continue trying. Fuck off pedo.

 

[Just Another Apocalypse]

It sounds like you are victim blaiming here. You are also falling for the ought-is fallacy here. I mean how do you determine how a person should act based on their biology? What you propose is very hazardous:

The Masculinity Motivation | Stanford Law Review

The first reports emerged in October 2017 in the New York Times and the New Yorker that dozens of women had accused movie producer Harvey Weinstein of

www.stanfordlawreview.org

How ‘Boys Will Be Boys’ Still Poisons Our Legal System

Defenses like ‘locker-room talk’ aren’t just memorable Trump lines — they’re used to normalize male sexual violence in courtrooms nationwide

melmagazine.com

Really?

The Results of Sweden's Extreme Gender-Neutral Education

Sweden has led the way on extreme gender-neutral preschool education for twenty years; now a study summarizes the results. It turns out gender neutral education can reduce gender stereotypes.

theswaddle.com

Sweden’s gender-neutral preschools produce kids who are more likely to succeed

A new study looks at what the preschoolers do and do not associate with "boys" and "girls."

qz.com

How to Raise a Feminist Son (Published 2017)

We raise our girls to fight stereotypes and pursue their dreams, but we don’t do the same for our boys.

www.nytimes.com

This isn't telling kids that "gender" doesn't exist fyi. It's just to point out they have a choice and don't need to follow steryotypes

What some call "biological sex" depends on alot of factors going in a certain direction which we shouldn't take for granted.

Accordingly, "some people may cross-dress, some may want to socially transition," and others may decide to medically transition with hormone therapies or gender affirmation surgery notes the American Psychiatric Association.

And those who do so are almost always shown to be in good health: https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc...ng-term-mental-health-benefits-study-n1079911

https://www.transadvocate.com/cling...of-transgender-medical-literature_n_13842.htm

https://web.archive.org/web/2018090...image-sexual-functioning-and-quality-of-life/

https://genderanalysis.net/2015/09/...ransitioning-is-effective-gender-analysis-10/

https://genderanalysis.net/2019/12/...-gender-clinics-are-overwhelmingly-satisfied/

https://web.archive.org/web/2018090...eversal-statistics-a-clearer-picture-emerges/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dawnst...tic-gender-at-early-age-just-like-other-kids/

https://kathrynhgordon.com/2018/05/...ed-statements-from-a-viral-ben-shapiro-video/


See above. You can't just expect everyone to fit inside a narrow field of choices. And the abuse is done to force them in these boxes:

Link Between LGBT, Religion & Homelessness, Suicide

Being gay or in any way sexually different can be a real challenge for people who live in religious communities, and it appears that the higher the

www.patheos.com

Disparities for LGBTQ and Gender Nonconforming Adolescents

By examining experiences of household dysfunction and abuse, disparities in patterns of adversity (such as polyvictimization) for LGBTQ and gender nonconforming adolescents are identified in this study.

pediatrics.aappublications.org

If anything you are promoting genetic determinism.

You like links?

How you like them links?

Stop digging your metaphorical grave on Kiwi Farms...

...try it IRL.

 

[NerdShamer]

And those who do so are almost always shown to be in good health:

First article says that it fixes the problem... To an extent, but they're more likely than the general population to seek mental health care.

I'm not reading the rest of the articles, but @Lemmingwise can you trust an article by Zinnia Jones? Because that name sounds familiar around here.