Global Supply Chain Crisis 2021: Megathread - A cozy thread for watching the supply chain fall apart just in time for the holidays

Billy Beer · Sep 24, 2021

Dergint said:
So... It's more like 9 missed meals away from a riot?

It makes more sense with that detail, I have heard the rule of 3s before even if I don't remember all the tiers.

Yeah, missed meals.

Hippopatumus · Sep 24, 2021

Kramer on the phone said:
exactly, you know what would put asses in seats? $30/hr. Vince James was amazed they're paying $2+abover minimum wage at McDonalds, thats not good enough. hell even finding a job paying above $20/hr is tough in a shitload of places, especially if minimum wage is $15/hr. if corporations can pull the shit they are doing now and still make a profit that means they could have been giving people more for decades.

Restaurants are a simple formula of money in and money out and they are one of the lowest margin businesses in existence. What do you think a quarter pounder will cost when McDonalds is paying their staff $20/hr?

Kramer on the phone · Sep 24, 2021

Hippopatumus said:
Restaurants are a simple formula of money in and money out and they are one of the lowest margin businesses in existence. What do you think a quarter pounder will cost when McDonalds is paying their staff $20/hr?

thats a great question, on the flip side if i told you 2 years ago people would be willing to pay $10 for a large big mac meal you'd have told me i was a fucking idiot. and now look despite a huge increase in cost people are still taking the hit all the same, for fucks sake some people are willing to pay $20 for that big mac large meal all so it can be delivered to them rather than going to the resturant themselves

Puff · Sep 24, 2021

Hippopatumus said:
Restaurants are a simple formula of money in and money out and they are one of the lowest margin businesses in existence. What do you think a quarter pounder will cost when McDonalds is paying their staff $20/hr?

That's a moot point. Many McDonald's around here were offering 22 an hour at the high end.

Tom Nook's Gloryhole · Sep 24, 2021

Aqua Panda said:
I won't lie, I've thought about getting a CDL and doing long haul driving.

I really like long distance driving and the extra demand/pay is appealing.

It's not worth it in the slightest.

Also if some nog family decide to break into your van and sufficate while you're asleep then you'll be done for manslaughter.

There's so little reward for the insane risks of long haul driving.

Tom Nook's Gloryhole · Sep 24, 2021

Hot Cup of Joe said:
The average man is only 9 meals from a riot

And if the average man doesn't have at least 9 cans of food in their house in these modern times then they're retarded.

I have no idea how much it is in dollars over there, but for £10 I could get 40 cans of beans. For another £10 I could get an insane amount of tinned or frozen vegetables and for another £10 I could get an insane amount of rice, noodles or ramen to bulk out anything.

So £30 per person that could genuinely be enough to hunker down for nearly a month. If I rounded it out to a neat £50 then that'd easily be enough to add a few treats and add enough variety to last a month. That's less than a single video game.

If people starve in these modern times then it's their own fucking fault for having zero planning skills. Let nogs riot over shortages while anyone sane just sits it out.

Billy Beer · Sep 24, 2021

Tom Nook's Gloryhole said:
And if the average man doesn't have at least 9 cans of food in their house in these modern times then they're retarded.

I have no idea how much it is in dollars over there, but for £10 I could get 40 cans of beans. For another £10 I could get an insane amount of tinned or frozen vegetables and for another £10 I could get an insane amount of rice, noodles or ramen to bulk out anything.

So £30 per person that could genuinely be enough to hunker down for nearly a month. If I rounded it out to a neat £50 then that'd easily be enough to add a few treats and add enough variety to last a month. That's less than a single video game.

If people starve in these modern times then it's their own fucking fault for having zero planning skills. Let nogs riot over shortages while anyone sane just sits it out.

I'm a Brit.

I've got plenty of canned food, a freezer full of frozen shit that I rotate through, be it kievs, meat or fish fingers. Enough soup to drown a fish and enough pasta to choke a donkey. I'm expecting food shortages to get worse as we get closer to Christmas, with a peak around mid-decmber as an early rush will happen to buy what people need before the xmas holidays (even though stores don't shut anymore like they used to)

I don't think we will starve, but I'll do one last mega stock up at the end of November, just to avoid fighting through tards in December

contradiction of terns · Sep 24, 2021

Hot Cup of Joe said:
I'm a Brit.

I've got plenty of canned food, a freezer full of frozen shit that I rotate through, be it kievs, meat or fish fingers. Enough soup to drown a fish and enough pasta to choke a donkey. I'm expecting food shortages to get worse as we get closer to Christmas, with a peak around mid-decmber as an early rush will happen to buy what people need before the xmas holidays (even though stores don't shut anymore like they used to)

I don't think we will starve, but I'll do one last mega stock up at the end of November, just to avoid fighting through tards in December

In Burgerland I'm anticipating that it will start to pop off around Thanksgiving, with peak shortages/panic in December, and probably ease towards the spring. Anyone who starves wasn't paying attention, but I wouldn't be surprised if it does happen.

If North America gets another arctic blast then expect to see more idiots CO2 poisoning themselves running the car with their garage door closed and some freezing deaths. If anyone starves it won't be reported because they'll be in some cabin in the woods and their decaying corpse won't be discovered for months.

Billy Beer · Sep 24, 2021

contradiction of terns said:
In Burgerland I'm anticipating that it will start to pop off around Thanksgiving, with peak shortages/panic in December, and probably ease towards the spring. Anyone who starves wasn't paying attention, but I wouldn't be surprised if it does happen.

If North America gets another arctic blast then expect to see more idiots CO2 poisoning themselves running the car with their garage door closed and some freezing deaths. If anyone starves it won't be reported because they'll be in some cabin in the woods and their decaying corpse won't be discovered for months.

That's the bonus you guys have over us; you can escape to the wilderness if shit get's too crazy, especially over the holidays.

FarmerKhourtney · Sep 24, 2021

I’m in northern CA. Gas prices are really high and have stayed high but that’s just life I guess. Weird items are unavailable for groceries which at first I somehow thought was related to school going back
UPS and amazon deliveries are getting lost or really delayed, very frequently
There are hiring signs on literally every business or place you see.
pasta and some dairy/frozen foods seem to be missing

Ahriman · Sep 24, 2021

Fomo Hoire · Sep 24, 2021

Hippopatumus said:
Restaurants are a simple formula of money in and money out and they are one of the lowest margin businesses in existence. What do you think a quarter pounder will cost when McDonalds is paying their staff $20/hr?

A few black people's lives, if the tales of them eating McDonald's because they can't afford any better are to be believed.

And one black life costs $2B, so says the first result on DDG.

The burger itself won't likely hit 3 digits, but the collateral damage...

Tom Nook's Gloryhole said:
And if the average man doesn't have at least 9 cans of food in their house in these modern times then they're retarded.

Or probably some variety of rich asshole, since it sounds like they either don't need to cook or they live right across the street from the Bodega. Sadly the rich asshole types will just find some way to pay more for food while the legitimate retards starve.

The golden neckbeard · Sep 24, 2021

Puff said:
That's a moot point. Many McDonald's around here were offering 22 an hour at the high end.

No mcdonalds are offering $22 an hour. My nephew first hand dispelled that myth when he applied for these positions at 3 different restaurants. There is one position (usually management) that has that payrate. Everyone else still gets $10 an hour. Its a bait and switch

Sped Xing · Sep 24, 2021

contradiction of terns said:
I didn't know how to rate you because the subject matter is complex AF. I raise poultry and have always followed agriculture issues closely. If you want to discuss the meat industry I'm here for it.

Here is the Meat Industry's response [Sept 16th, after the earlier linked article was published.]

Now, I won't argue that Tyson (one of the companies named as 'problematic') doesn't have a history of outsourcing an almost unfair amount of costs onto the farmers they contract with for their chicken. I'm not as familiar with the other companies named, but willing to dig into it.

With that said, our meat processing was largely done by illegals prior to the pandemic. I can source some articles on it for anyone interested; Arizona had particularly bad issues. There is, in fact, a labor shortage. It's undeniable. Those rising feed costs I mentioned a few pages back? That factors into the meat prices too. Rising gas prices and transportation shortages are also going to increase costs and eat into margins.

There's a very real case to be made that the meat industry needs reforms, but I feel like this raises two questions:

1. Why now?
Mid-crisis is a terrible time to try and reform anything. The ramifications if Biden's policies further cripple or demolish the meat industry without propping up small time operations to replace the big players are mind-boggling.

2. Why the meat industry, specifically?
Biden's stated desire is to crack down on meat processors for 'profiting off the pandemic', but wouldn't you think the medical industry is profiting from the pandemic far more? What about the tech industries, which have seen record profits even as they help steal our freedoms?

Oh, wait, the meat industry doesn't benefit Biden in any way and starving people are easier to control. NM. Carry on.

Heinrich Himmler raised chickens.

Hippopatumus · Sep 24, 2021

The golden neckbeard said:
No mcdonalds are offering $22 an hour. My nephew first hand dispelled that myth when he applied for these positions at 3 different restaurants. There is one position (usually management) that has that payrate. Everyone else still gets $10 an hour. Its a bait and switch

There probably are Mcds in NYC paying 22+ an hour, but from what I understand the menu prices are higher in those places too. I wouldn't be surprised if they subsidize certain restaurants for brand image in high profile locations too.

Anyway, restaurant average margins are 3-5% so an increase in labor costs will be directly reflected in higher menu prices, it's just a simple economic fact.

Puff · Sep 24, 2021

The golden neckbeard said:
No mcdonalds are offering $22 an hour. My nephew first hand dispelled that myth when he applied for these positions at 3 different restaurants. There is one position (usually management) that has that payrate. Everyone else still gets $10 an hour. Its a bait and switch

Like the next poster said, it's not a monolith. They pay differently at different locations. Here they were advertising 17-22 per hour. Now that they have more than 2 people working per shift it's at 16 an hour on the high end.

the fall of man · Sep 24, 2021

Puff said:
Like the next poster said, it's not a monolith. They pay differently at different locations. Here they were advertising 17-22 per hour. Now that they have more than 2 people working per shift it's at 16 an hour on the high end.

It's okay, I understand what you mean, fellow coastal city poster