Global Supply Chain Crisis 2021: Megathread - A cozy thread for watching the supply chain fall apart just in time for the holidays

[Phalanges Mycologist]

I buy vegetables and meat direct from the farm, the only things that I get from the supermarkets are manufactured/processed goods.

That's really good, not a option for most but I would encourage people to do that if they can. I've got a small garden but I grow as much of my food as I can I'd like to do live stock like Chickens but I havent really got the space for them sadly, I've had a allotment before but the petty politics and a few other things made it not worth it to me to keep it up.

One thing I like doing is foraging and I am lucky to be one of the few people in my local area to do it.

but we'd have to work out alternatives to cleaning products etc

Vineager and Baking soda, Wood ash soap and Distilled Alcohol (doubles as a fuel and can be made from food waist).

 

[pylosurf]

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UK carbon dioxide shortage could force farmers to cull pigs

Soaring energy prices slow production of gas used to stun animals before slaughter in abattoirs

www.theguardian.com

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UK gas crisis could force farmers to slaughter hundreds of thousands of pigs

British farms could be forced into a mass pig cull as supplies of CO2 gas used to humanely kill the livestock run short as a side effect of the gas price hike crisis

www.mirror.co.uk

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‘Really dark day’ for pig farmers faced with gas shortages

Farms across the UK are “facing a really dark day” as gas shortages could mean pigs being culled because there is not enough CO2 at abattoirs, according to one farm manager.

www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk

Wew lad.

"We don't have enough CO2 to kill the pigs humanely, so we're going to have to kill all the pigs."

Are they going to club them to death instead?

How does that make any sense?

 

[Jimbobaggins]

"We don't have enough CO2 to kill the pigs humanely, so we're going to have to kill all the pigs."

Are they going to club them to death instead?

How does that make any sense?

Couldn't they just use a Bolt Pistol to kill them? It uses some gunpowder to smash their brains in instantly.

 

[FarmerKhourtney]

Wow, I’ve noticed the Gatorade thing here too. I just put together that it’s been missing the last several times I added it to the grocery order. Or substituted with orange zero which is gross

 

[Mr. Skeltal]

I'm definitely adding this to the OP (with a credit). I've tapped an acquaintance that works for the DoT, specifically in relation to the airlines, but any information on how this is playing out with the airlines is extremely helpful. Do you think that Christmas will see passenger planes limiting their seating, or even switching over to transporting goods? I'm having a tough time imagining the average person being able to outbid a big business for space on an airplane.

A lot of what we repair are turboprops (P&W PT6 family or Honeywell TPE-331) with some others like PW100 family engines and JT15D family engines.
Some of our customers are parts brokers; they take junk parts, have them overhauled, and sell them to end users for profit. Their parts being delayed isn't harming a soul or delaying a shipment.
Others are major repair depots for larger aviation organizations. This further splits into overhaul depots and hot section shops.
Overhaul depots can wait a bit of time as that engine is exploded out into many different repair jobs; not flying any time soon. That said they do need to fly sooner than later.
Hot section shops are a different story. They are sending us parts to have repaired to go back into immediate service to get the whole engine to it's overhaul interval for flight hours.
Their parts being delayed means an engine rots on a stand and the end customer's aircraft is eating hangar space if no spare engine is at hand.

The engines we deal with aren't used in the big movers and shakers, we deal with smaller fare. Things like cropdusters, island hoppers, regional cargo, business aircraft, NavAir trainers, and other assorted personal aviation craft. It won't delay a bulk shipment but makes distribution and transportation more difficult for places further from major logistics hubs.

Regarding major airlines, I'm confident that enough parts can be scrounged up and cannibalized from spares to keep the core fleets flying. They'll hardly feel anything imho.
Our real issue is shipping, though the fabrication facilities seem to have staffing issues hence the three month lead time on flange blanks. I suppose labor shortages are du rigeur for business these days.

How are you going to put non-certified parts onto commercial airliners like that? Is management really that desperate?

Some of the parts Pratt supplies are quite literally bent strips of inconel. Just bent metal.
Provided we can get a DER approval from the FAA and the customer is accepting DER repair, we absolutely can put a bent strip of bog standard inconel into that part and return it to service. Jet engines are a lot simpler than most people imagine.

Edit: amended a doublepost.

 

[pylosurf]

Couldn't they just use a Bolt Pistol to kill them? It uses some gunpowder to smash their brains in instantly.

They are probably already using them, too, after they knock the pigs out with CO2. But if they have a humane way to cull, then they have a humane way to slaughter and there's no need for a cull in the first place.

 

[737 MAX Stan Account]

Only leftist governance could lead to a CO2 shortage.

As they say, if you put the government in charge of the Sahara, they'd run out of sand in two months.

 

[williamcll]

At least CPU prices are going back down again.

 

[contradiction of terns]

Heinrich Himmler raised chickens.

Spoiler: Nazi chicken greentext autism

> Be me
> Adopt some chonkin' chooks and duckerinos for fresh eggs if SHTF
> HITLER RAISED CHICKENS, BIGOT!
> BigSigh.mp4
> Get rid of the chickens in the interest of world peace
> At least I still have the pupper I got for keeping preds off the chooks
> HITLER HAD PUPPERS, BIGOT!
> FuckMyLife.jpg
> Ol Yeller has to go before I catch a hate crime charge
> HITLER DRANK WATER, ATE FOOD, AND WORE CLOTHES, BIGOT!
> MFW I have to die thirsty, starving, and nekkid to prevent Nazi chickens from achieving global dominance

Rate me Late, but isn't what's happening just the 1973 oil crisis - electric boogaloo?

ie, the USA being entirely dependent on outside export of material and going to eat shit for it the moment that the cost rises up?

There are other factors too, like the worker shortage producing much the same effect as a global workers' strike. If you want to talk more about the Carter years and how that went, plz do. I love a good history lesson and the younger Kiwis might benefit from it.

@Jimbobaggins​

@Ahriman​

You guys both contributed stuff I'm going to be adding to the OP.

I also found a Whitehouse.gov statement from yesterday about Biden's plan to screw save us all. I'm mentioning it here (and adding it to the OP) because I think we've probably hit the point where a lot of people are simply going to the last page rather than starting with page 1 and the OP.

 

[grasshoppermustard]

I haven't seen any major shortages, but Australia Post is running weeks behind schedule. I live in regional Victoria, and we've been waiting 3 1/2 weeks for a delivery from metro Melbourne.
Thankfully it's not anything we need urgently, but if this is a sign of things to come, it's going to be an interesting end to the year.

There have been similar delays in NSW. It took almost 3 weeks to get a new HDD delivered from Sydney to regional NSW via regular post, whereas it usually takes 2-3 days, although I did get an express post parcel last week in 4 days. Another order delivered by Aramex (formerly Fastway) took 3 weeks, so it isn't just Australia Post having problems either.

As for a trucker shortage, after reading through this thread last night, I did some searching for the state of things in Australia and they were complaining about trucker shortages and bringing in Indians to fill the roles back in 2019 before covid hit, I can only imagine it's worse now. I'd look further into how much owner operators are making in Australia (that's something I'd be interested in possibly) but I intend to emigrate so no point.

 

[Mepsi Pax]

It's not worth it in the slightest.

Also if some nog family decide to break into your van and sufficate while you're asleep then you'll be done for manslaughter.

There's so little reward for the insane risks of long haul driving.

What are you talking about, you island pederast? The insane risks of OTR? You're more likely to get skin cancer on your window side and die than you are to get... strangled to death by blax and then get charged posthumously with manslaughter (???).

You're not even a US-ian so I'm just curious what you're smashing the keyboard about. America is not (yet) a mad max dystopia and it has an enormous network of complex and densely trafficked roads with both large and small 24 hour service stations and truck rest stops within fairly short intervals. Truckers don't drive off 95 into some Philly niggerhood to go to sleep. Truck stop crime happens but it's almost always drugs. I have literally driven through the night and slept in my vehicle on many major interstates. It's not uncommon for normal people to sleep at rest stops because it can take 20-30 hours of straight hauling to get somewhere.

Ackshully one of the best ways to understand and (if you have any sense) be awed by the industrial might and size of the US is to travel the highways. Endless streams of cars and trucks blasting thousands of miles in all directions, at all hours and 365 days a year. Depots and warehouses the size of multiple city blocks, factories, ports, industrial sprawl, all visible from the highways themselves. It's really quite something and if you've seen it in person it's easy to believe that a shockwave through the trucking industry could create serious supply problems.

Unfortunately trucking's a bullshit lifestyle, there's a bunch of trades you can eventually make 100k on without being on the road your whole life. The difference is you actually have to do more than stay awake and push the wheel around. I would probably go truck for a few years though if I had a rig and could be an owner-operator.

 

[Yeeted Teet]

Vineager and Baking soda, Wood ash soap and Distilled Alcohol (doubles as a fuel and can be made from food waist).

Vinegar is a good cleaner but never use it in the same area as bleach, if the two mix they'll create chlorine gas.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

For the record, C)2 is ridiculously difficult to collect from the atmosphere. At about 400 parts per million, you'd need to process a million kilograms of air to capture 400kg of CO2, which is so stupidly inefficient that anyone proposing it should be pilloried and then thrown into a volcano.

It's not as stupid as it sounds. 1 million kg of air is about 773,000 cubic meters or in oil terms 4.86 million barrels. That's only slightly larger than the largest oil tanker and a bit less than 4 times the amount of hydrogen in the Hindenburg. You're also capturing decent amounts of various noble gases and various pollutants. The cost would apparently be about $200-$1,000/ton of CO2 removed from the atmosphere. They want one megaton plants processing the air which would presumably be more efficient.

It's probably not the best method if you want to sequester carbon because of the high energy input since natural processes like plants do it better.

The reason this is aimed at pigs, is because if shit hits the fan, we can legally, though not humanely, slaughter cows and sheep using Halal methods. But because Muslims don't eat Pork, there is no Halal method of killing pigs.

Why can't you halal slaughter pigs? Just because you can't eat them doesn't mean you can't do the usual throat-slitting method.

This whole thing is a giant clusterfuck and the inevitable result of feel-good animal welfare and environmentalist policies.

And it suits the company to rely on such weirdly long supply chains because is saves them a few pennies per bottle, the problem is if there is a disruption for more than a few hours it really ends up biting them in the arse, for a lot of things not just food it would be better for People, Communities and the Enviroment as a whole to stop doing that and going back to growing and manufacturing locally, and in the case of food stop having wierdly complex diets where at least 1 or 2 major ingreedents have come from another continent as a diatry staple.

This is a key reason why the people obsessed with the environment and climate change are colossal fucking hypocrites who use their eco-friendly policies to screw people over for their scheme. Sorry, can't eat any beef or pork but you sure can eat some soybeans shipped from Brazil on a cargo ship that burns tar and pays regulators to not check their emissions regulation! And don't forget our farm-raised cockroaches straight from China!

These people are literally killing the planet and blaming it on us. Fuck them all.

 

[contradiction of terns]

Why can't you halal slaughter pigs? Just because you can't eat them doesn't mean you can't do the usual throat-slitting method.

It would be haram for a muslim to touch a pig to slit it's throat and anyone who isn't muslim slitting the throat means the meat is no longer halal.

 

[General Tug Boat]

Speaking to certain people that I know that actually work as vendors have been telling me the issues with the supply chain for a multitude of time now. Apparently a lot of the rate hikes are less to do with a lack of product, rather a lack of packaging for said products. Apparently the packaging is in such a low supply that the rates have tripled over the last six months to properly ship certain products. I have heard this from two different sources, one being in the restaurant business that supplies our food, and another that works as a disturbtor for pet products.

The added tension for sure is because of the mandates that have really inhibited not only trucking, but also the boats that carry product. The supply chain issues where inevitable and the continued ignoring the elephant in the room is causing problems. The restaurant I am at, it has been very difficult to get certain types of fish, chips, labels, and storage containers we use for product. Its fucking ridiculous that we seriously have people so incompetent with their decision making that they ignored any of the individuals that manage the logistics for this type of process. At this stage, these mother fuckers in the legislature have ODed on huffing their own farts.

 

[Phalanges Mycologist]

This is a key reason why the people obsessed with the environment and climate change are colossal fucking hypocrites who use their eco-friendly policies to screw people over for their scheme. Sorry, can't eat any beef or pork but you sure can eat some soybeans shipped from Brazil on a cargo ship that burns tar and pays regulators to not check their emissions regulation! And don't forget our farm-raised cockroaches straight from China!

These people are literally killing the planet and blaming it on us. Fuck them all.

Exactly, and one of the most bonkers things is Soy is massively damaging to the environment in terms of deforestation and transport, Veganism is terrible for 3rd world farming communities as well as they tend to go looking for new foods to augment there diet with and find something that was only really grown for the locals by the locals they then buy up as much of it as they can pricing out the farmers who grew it meaning they can't afford to eat it they also tend to be the anti petrol guys not realising that there whole diet is made possible by the Petro Chemical industry the second that resource runs dry Fertiliser becomes much more difficult to use and the whole system comes crashing down.

When it comes to animal agriculture I've talked to vegans and vegetarians at length about it practically and ethically and they are always shocked when I start off by saying Yes we do need to do better when it comes to animal farming, we need to go back to mixed land use farming, smaller more diverse breeds and stop mono cropping, and we need to start doing that sooner rather than later. I always get the retort of well wouldn't it just be simpler just to not eat meat? and I have to explain why that would be a very bad idea for humans and the environment in general and have to explain to them that Animals are not just meat but fertilisers and provide a whole host of other resources we just cant replace and how that the number they bandi about of 60% of our food production goes for feed for 30% of what we actually eat is a massive fucking lie using half truths and out right fabrication.

I could go on about that but I wont as this isn't the tread for it but in short - Yes you are 100% that they are fucking idiots.

 

[Billy Beer]

It's probably not the best method if you want to sequester carbon because of the high energy input since natural processes like plants do it better.

Why can't you halal slaughter pigs? Just because you can't eat them doesn't mean you can't do the usual throat-slitting method.

Muslims won't touch pork or pigs. It's a filthy, unclean animal in their view. Carrying out a religious prayer/halal killing on a filthy animal is to spit in the face of allah. From what I understand.

 

[verucasalty]

It does seem like plastics/raw materials/packaging are affected. I work with live flowers grown in Columbia and they get shipped to the states in large buckets of water - we've been having a "bucket shortage" for a couple months so now they have started shipping the flowers in other smaller, temporary buckets. The temporary buckets don't fit as much water, and are just too small to realistically ship long-stem flowers in but they do it anyway and half of my shipments come in as a loss because the buckets have cracked and all the water has seeped out, or the flowers have been crushed by how they have to finagle them into the shitty temp buckets.

Something random I've notched a shortage of: canned cat food ?

 

[Phalanges Mycologist]

It does seem like plastics/raw materials/packaging are affected.

That's a biggie, I've been cobbleing something together that I need some larger plastic bins but the cost has made it more expensive and harder to find the ones I need so I've been using smaller ones when I called a supplier a few weeks back I was told that anything they are making is being pre purchased months in advance and they are having issues with getting ahold of the plastic they use to make the plastic tubs etc from.

Something random I've notched a shortage of: canned cat food ?

Pet food in general, I tried to pick some Dog food up for my neighbour and relative and they have about half of there own / off brand stuff and virtually non of the big brands, I did notice that there wasn't much selection of Cat litter the wood pellet stuff is in stock but the Clay kind isn't on the shelves.

 

[Ahriman]

I think this is pretty good video explaining why this happening. Basically greedy companies found out its cheaper to not store items in warehouses and switched to just in time production.

Pretty insightful video. It also clearly explains how GM and the 'murican manufacturers misunderstood the core concepts of JIT, and how Toyota managed to have the foresight to course correct.

GM, Ford halt some auto production as chip shortage worsens

The global shortage of computer chips is getting worse, forcing automakers to temporarily close factories including those that build popular pickup trucks.

www.marketwatch.com

GM shutting down production at most of its plants in North America

General Motors will shut production at most of its North American plants for a week or two starting next week as the worsening chip shortage takes another bite out of its plans.

edition.cnn.com

Basically, it brought down GM to its knees.

r/cars - GM shutting down production at most of its plants in North America due to chip shortage.

1,596 votes and 501 comments so far on Reddit

www.reddit.com

The used car market is going absolutely nuts atm.

But wait -- there's more.

Automakers Accused of Chip Hoarding, U.S. Considers Defense Production Act

Despite the occasional media report claiming that the semiconductor shortage is nearly over, reality looks quite a bit different. Some manufacturers have managed to temporarily stabilize supply chains, even though others have continued announcing work stoppages as they run out of chips. Wait...

www.thetruthaboutcars.com

Meanwhile, Bosch opened a new plant in June.

Bosch opens $1.2 billion chip plant in Germany – TechCrunch

Germany technology and parts supplier Robert Bosch opened a €1 billion ($1.2 billion) chip factory in Dresden, Germany on Monday, the single largest investment in the company’s history. The plant, which will mainly supply automotive customers, is a major signal that connected and electric vehicles …

techcrunch.com

I don't expect the German car manufacturers to be hit as hard as the 'murican ones.