Prison Letters Chris writes me from Prison (dated September 19th, 2021)

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El Rodrigo said:
That kind of talk concerns me. Talk like this and the behaviour seen from his enablers/weens tells me that Chris is capable of creating a dangerous cult. And I say dangerous because he's already implied in that letter that incest (see: rape) was him healing Barb.
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That's kinda common talk for rapists tho, schizos or not. "They liked it, it's just sex", "At least they had sex" or "They finally got to know what a real man is": these are depressing commonplaces in rape cases and it didn't take a cult for this beahviour to be common.
 
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Coleslaw said:
Do you think Heilberg likes having to defend CWC?
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I am sure that Heilberg has had to deal with loonies before, so chris is not his first time dealing with this kind of bullshit.
As for liking it? well lets just say I would not blame him if he had a ton to drink every night just to forget the dozens of calls chris makes about his legos, and other toys that he wants in jail. I am pretty sure he is hating his life right now, and possibly considering if he should have done anything other then being a lawyer.
 
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El Rodrigo said:
That kind of talk concerns me. Talk like this and the behaviour seen from his enablers/weens tells me that Chris is capable of creating a dangerous cult. And I say dangerous because he's already implied in that letter that incest (see: rape) was him healing Barb. He expresses death threats to people who have 'wronged' him, and sees himself as having 'followers', who, might I add, should have 'faith' in him and do what he says.

And we've already seen the likes of Bella and that equally autistic-looking fella Sean wishing to drive people like Chris to suicide.

I'd say it was a damn good thing the chat got leaked when it did, because Chris reached the point where he needed to be put away from functional society, barring things like the hit-and-run and the macing incident aside. I'd hate to see how far this would have gone if Chris kept his mouth shut about the incest (also, if what Bella said is true, I don't want the likes of Chris to conceive ANY children, either. They would be tremendously fucked up, given their father.)
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On the one hand, Chris has absolutely got the kind of personality and thought-process that could prompt him to start a dangerous cult. He does believe he's a religious figure, and he is convinced that there is a growing body of faithful followers (including real people as well as cartoon characters) who are committed to His Holy Divinity.

One the other hand, it's Chris.

The only people who have ever "followed" the Cult of Sonichu are weens, who do so ironically in hopes of fucking with Chris, and maybe, MAYBE Sockness.

If you want to be a cult leader, you first have to be charismatic. You need to be the sort of person that other, more desperate, less charismatic weirdos will latch on to and want to be around. Attractive, well-spoken people like Teal Swan, Satya Sai Baba, or Charles Manson, can become a cult leader. Fat derps who are infamously unlikable don't become cult leaders - they become that homeless guy who screams at the traffic lights outside the public library (or in this case, that homeless guy in prison for raping his own mother).
 
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Drunk Sasquatch Fetishist said:
Isn't an insanity defense based on not knowing right from wrong at the time of the act? I mean, it seems to me, and IANAL, that he's working up a good show of "but I totally thought this was the right thing to do!" If that's the line for insanity there (I know different states have different qualifications) he may not be as out of the game as one might think.
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I don't think it's a coincidence that he's chosen a line of delusion that roughly tracks the standard for an insanity defense. I don't think it's totally planned out and he doesn't really fully understand the standard anyway, but I'm pretty sure he's aware of the existence of such a thing and the general concept that if he's crazy enough, he isn't guilty.

And as others have pointed out, the standard is what state of mind he was in at the time, not now. While he had other delusions then, the Jesus stuff all postdates the Barb rape. He really went about that in a far more methodical way than someone too insane to be guilty, and with apparent knowledge what he was doing was against the law.

Much like the kidnapper and rapist Brian David Mitchell, Chris has some quasi-religious set of beliefs that justifies his crimes in his mind, but Mitchell didn't get off and neither will Chris, unless the prosecution's case really falls apart in a spectacular way.

For instance, they could be in trouble if they're actually relying on Barb to be coherent at trial. Heilberg will probably stall until her senility becomes more pronounced if that's an issue. If they really need her testimony, the prosecution could probably take what is called a deposition de bene esse, which is taking testimony for use at trial from someone who is expected to be unavailable at trial, often for reasons of physical or mental illness, or impending mortality. The defense has the opportunity to cross examine and unlike most out of court statements, the deposition can be used directly as evidence at trial.

I'd guess if they haven't done this already, she's either already too senile to give coherent testimony or they anticipate making their case without her testimony.
 
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Chris you fucking retard, everything you described in this letter is called Hedonism. Its the exact opposite of Christ. In fact it's innately Satanic.

Holy Moly. You got a bible in there, you should pray and reflect, not use it as a substitute for the media you consume and then compare yourself to Christ, you nasty fat piece of human excrement.
 
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TheLastJoestar said:
Chris you fucking retard, everything you described in this letter is called Hedonism. Its the exact opposite of Christ. In fact it's innately Satanic.

Holy Moly. You got a bible in there, you should pray and reflect, not use it as a substitute for the media you consume and then compare yourself to Christ, you nasty fat piece of human excrement.
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There's no way Chris would learn the values of the bible unless he wanted to. Someone could explain it and even relate it in colorful horses and hedgehogs, but unless Chris what Chris wants then he'd praying for jack dick.

He's writing Jesus fanfiction with the loosest grasp of Jesus possible. I WILL be freed Joshua Moon and I WILL reclaim my rightful place as Goddess of the universe on my throne room, and after this crucifixion I WILL curse ye hame ha you to hell.
 
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Drunk Sasquatch Fetishist said:
Isn't an insanity defense based on not knowing right from wrong at the time of the act? I mean, it seems to me, and IANAL, that he's working up a good show of "but I totally thought this was the right thing to do!" If that's the line for insanity there (I know different states have different qualifications) he may not be as out of the game as one might think.
EDIT: to clarify I don't think he's trying -- I don't think it's calculated at all; it's just Chris. What I mean is if the line is thought he was doing the right thing (and not necessarily knowing whether or not it was illegal) I could see where maybe this kind of presentation might be seen as proof of that.
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I posted this earlier, but you can read the Virginia test for insanity here; the relevant section is on page 1.3. Notably, this document states that in Virginia, "whether (the defendant believed) that act was morally justified" could be sufficient to qualify Chris as insane. So if Chris thought raping Barb was God's will, an act of divine healing, etc, (which is exactly what happened) then it's certainly possible for the court to find him legally insane.

However, the court is under no obligation to do that, either. It falls on the judge or jury to use their own best judgement and decide if the fact that Chris thought he was carrying out God's will when he raped his mom, demonstrates legal insanity; they could say "yes, Chris was insane", or "no, he was not insane", as both outcomes would be covered by the facts of the case and Virginia law, and there is really no way to determine which way it would fall, outside the conscience of whomever gets tasked with rendering a verdict.
 
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Solid Snek said:
I posted this earlier, but you can read the Virginia test for insanity here; the relevant section is on page 1.3. Notably, this document states that in Virginia, "whether (the defendant believed) that act was morally justified" could be sufficient to qualify Chris as insane. So if Chris thought raping Barb was God's will, an act of divine healing, etc, (which is exactly what happened) then it's certainly possible for the court to find him legally insane.

However, the court is under no obligation to do that, either. It falls on the judge or jury to use their own best judgement and decide if the fact that Chris thought he was carrying out God's will when he raped his mom, demonstrates legal insanity; they could say "yes, Chris was insane", or "no, he was not insane", as both outcomes would be covered by the facts of the case and Virginia law, and there is really no way to determine which way it would fall, outside the conscience of whomever gets tasked with rendering a verdict.
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He's petulant, extremely unlikeable, and narcissistic. What jury is going to want to give him a break, assuming this even goes to a jury trial? Especially since he's not in California, he's in Virginia. The good old boys and girls will want him locked up and the key disposed of. That said, I would be surprised if this went before a jury anyway. The judge had him held without bail to start with because he's a danger to himself and others. He may be transferred between institutions, but.... He's never getting out.
 
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AnOminous said:
He might view it as a challenge. Anything where Chris ever gets to see the light of day again is pretty much a win for him. If he somehow outright wins it, he's pretty much Clarence Darrow.
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I'm pretty sure Chris is hoping for the final scene in an "Officer and a Gentleman" where Barb swoops in and carries him outta jail.

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Either way, I really hope that Heilberg eventually regrets defending this case like everyone who has shown Chris goodwill over the years.
 
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