What exactly is "Metamodernism"?

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What is Metamodernism? I've seen this term used by both leftists and rightwingers with different definitions for all. Some pro there side and others anti there side.
From some left wing folks I've seen it used as the next evolution of ideas from post-modernism and modernism transformed into something new. From some right wing folks I've seen it used as an anti-post-modern and an anti-modern idea. I've seen some right wingers claim metamodernism as an anti-globohomo ideology.
an example of this would be here.
I first heard this term used by Shia LaBeouf and friends from when they did the He will not divide us art stunt. You'd think that metamodernism would be an art movement but I've not seen yet any real actual art made from this.
This is what Shia LaBeouf's friend wrote about it before They did He will not divide us.

What can you tell us about metamodernism Kiwifarms? And could we make an actual art and ideological movement out of this?
 
Metamodernism is basically one of the potential reactions to the postmodernism we are currently experiencing. It is one area of thought that belongs to "Post-postmodernism" (yes, I know, it's a retarded word). Since post-postmodernism is still rather new, as a movement, it isn't fully developed yet. Currently, I'm more inclined to post-millennialism since it would be a profound shift away from this endless state of victimhood that is currently being perpetuated in our culture as a result of postmodernism and critical theory. It honestly can't come soon enough. But I have no doubt it will be some time before that happens. We're right at peak postmodernism at the moment, so it's not going anywhere anytime soon.
 
It's an attempt to apply the Hegelian thesis-antithesis pattern to modernism and postmodernism and get a synthesis out of it
What the hell even is the difference between modernism and postmodernism? Both seek to deconstruct classical narratives and themes, with the only noticable change being that postmodernism is more sanitized and faceless.

Also wouldn't kiwifarms count as metamodernist art since lolcows have become our medium of expression?
 
What the hell even is the difference between modernism and postmodernism? Both seek to deconstruct classical narratives and themes, with the only noticable change being that postmodernism is more sanitized and faceless.

Also wouldn't kiwifarms count as metamodernist art since lolcows have become our medium of expression?
High/Late Modernism, which is characterized as the period from the ~1950's through the 1990's, was representative of confidence in the potential for scientific and technological progress. Reliance and sincere belief in the expertise of scientists, engineers, doctors and other intellectuals to solve the problems of mankind. Mastering nature (nuclear power, going to space, etc...) and being able to make complex concepts and theories accessible. Disregarding historical contexts and tenets. Objective truths and knowledge are prized.

Postmodernism is generally from the 1990's through the present and into the foreseeable future, with the present being what I consider to be peak postmodern. Postmodernism's linchpin is essentially critical theory. It is a reaction to, and essentially a rejection of, modernism. It is demonstrated by the belief in the relativity of all things. Information is framed as relative to the value systems and social structure in which it was produced. It is typically a rejection of universalism, of over-arching theories and narratives. Subjective truths and social progress are prized.

For those that want the short version:

Modernism - Fuck traditional shit! Fuck yeah, science & technology! We're going to make Nature our bitch! The Scientists, Engineers, etc... will show us the way forward! Woo!! - Knowledge based/Objective

Postmodernism - Those asshole scientists and engineers don't know fuck, the world is still shit! I will figure it out for myself! The world is built on the cis-hetero white male patriarchy, and that's wrong! My shit is just as valid as your shit, and you can't prove otherwise! - Society based/Personal/Subjective
 
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High/Late Modernism, which is characterized as the period from the ~1950's through the 1990's, was representative of confidence in the potential for scientific and technological progress. Reliance and sincere belief in the expertise of scientists, engineers, doctors and other intellectuals to solve the problems of mankind. Mastering nature (nuclear power, going to space, etc...) and being able to make complex concepts and theories accessible. Disregarding historical contexts and tenets.

Postmodernism is generally from the 1990's through the present and into the foreseeable future, with the present being what I consider to be peak postmodern. Postmodernism's linchpin is essentially critical theory. It is a reaction to, and essentially a rejection of, modernism. It is demonstrated by the belief in the relativity of all things. Information is framed as relative to the value systems and social structure in which it was produced. It is typically a rejection of universalism, of over-arching theories and narratives.

For those that want the short version:

Modernism - Fuck traditional shit! Fuck yeah, science & technology! The Scientists, Engineers, etc... will show us the way forward! Woo!

Postmodernism - Those asshole scientists and engineers don't know fuck, the world is still shit! I will figure it out for myself! The world is built on the cis-hetero white male patriarchy, and that's wrong! My shit is just as valid as your shit, and you can't prove otherwise!
They're both deconstructionist and critical. It just seems like postmodernism is a more extreme interpretation of "old bad, new good, fix old cause bad, rewrite new cause good"
 
They're both deconstructionist and critical. It just seems like postmodernism is a more extreme interpretation of "old bad, new good, fix old cause bad, rewrite new cause good"
Essentially. What's old is new again. The same thing has happened before, and it will happen again. One just has to read about western human society from about 1750 to 1900 to see some impressive similarities. Breaking out of this cycle doesn't seem likely, at least in the reasonably foreseeable future.
 
Essentially. What's old is new again. The same thing has happened before, and it will happen again. One just has to read about western human society from about 1750 to 1900 to see some impressive similarities. Breaking out of this cycle doesn't seem likely, at least in the reasonably foreseeable future.
I just fail to see how that's a dichotomy at all. It's just an endless cycle like you said, there's no thesis or antithesis because both modernism and postmodernism are identical in thesis
 
They are dichotomous in the core of their approach and focus, but the outcome is essentially the same. One is absolutes/objectivity/knowledge/science the other is relativity/subjectivity/personal/spiritual/social. They are clearly polar in nature, but both produce the same thing, change on a large scale. It's taking two routes to the same point. The duration of each one is relative to what society feels it needs at that time. It's a see-saw, They are dichotomous in the journey, not the result.

I would also like to say, for the record, I fucking hate postmodernism, it is representative of everything I think sucks. I can't wait for things to tip back in the opposite direction.
 
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High/Late Modernism, which is characterized as the period from the ~1950's through the 1990's, was representative of confidence in the potential for scientific and technological progress. Reliance and sincere belief in the expertise of scientists, engineers, doctors and other intellectuals to solve the problems of mankind. Mastering nature (nuclear power, going to space, etc...) and being able to make complex concepts and theories accessible. Disregarding historical contexts and tenets. Objective truths and knowledge are prized.

Postmodernism is generally from the 1990's through the present and into the foreseeable future, with the present being what I consider to be peak postmodern. Postmodernism's linchpin is essentially critical theory. It is a reaction to, and essentially a rejection of, modernism. It is demonstrated by the belief in the relativity of all things. Information is framed as relative to the value systems and social structure in which it was produced. It is typically a rejection of universalism, of over-arching theories and narratives. Subjective truths and social progress are prized.

For those that want the short version:

Modernism - Fuck traditional shit! Fuck yeah, science & technology! We're going to make Nature our bitch! The Scientists, Engineers, etc... will show us the way forward! Woo!! - Knowledge based/Objective

Postmodernism - Those asshole scientists and engineers don't know fuck, the world is still shit! I will figure it out for myself! The world is built on the cis-hetero white male patriarchy, and that's wrong! My shit is just as valid as your shit, and you can't prove otherwise! - Society based/Personal/Subjective
This is a great response. If I may add though, I think Modernism a little more bleak than what you painted - the conceptualization of making nature our bitch is the evolution of Romantism -> Modernism at play. Modernism is the deconstruction of romantic ideals (Think: Emma - Jane Austin); Romantics passionately pursued freedom of thought while embracing nature while Modernists disavow nature for manmade technology. It's not just the Mastering of Nature, it's the deconstruction of the purpose of nature except as a resource to exploit for further advancement in technology. As such, Post-Modernism rejects Modernist thought as not on a way to showcase distrust in the technology that was revered in the modernist era, but to showcase how modernist thought lead to the crippling of the planet, from a granular human level to a climate-changing global level.

The reason post-modernism get's toted as a left-wing ideal set and post-post-modernism/metamodernism get's portrayed as a rightwing one I think has less to do with their inherent politics and more to do with where they place their emphasis on thought. Post-Modernism seeks to correct the human component that Modernism lacked while Metamodernism rejects the human component even being important while also rejecting the technological importance placed by modernists.

In other words, I'd sum it up as:
  • Romantics:
    • I sure do love thinking while sitting in the middle of the woods.
    • I wonder what the pursuit of man should be, if not just to exist within this beautiful world.
    • People and lives are complicated and it's fun to think on.
  • Modernists:
    • I sure do love thinking while sitting inside of my office.
    • The pursuit of man was to get us here so we can build off of their discoveries and create a technological utopia.
    • People and lives are complicated, but with the proper advancements in technology and thought we will be able to solve the issues that keep man at war, internally and externally.
  • Post-Modernist:
    • I sure hate people telling me what they think all the time when nobody is thinking about the thoughts themselves and how short-sighted they are.
    • For example: why is it the pursuit of man and not the pursuit of Womxn they keep stressing?
    • People and lives are extremely complicated, you will never understand somebody else's experience and nothing will change that.
  • Post-Post-Modernism/Metamodernism:
    • I sure hate these post-modernists complaining all of the time, and yes I know that's a complaint in itself. Social issues are for faggots, technology is for autists, we exist in the self-aware dumb space in-between.
    • No shit the pursuit of man is pointless, stay mad.
    • People and lives are complicated, more news at 10. We could dwell on this like the last 3 movements have done but I'd rather fuck around and see what we can spawn from chaos.
At least that's how I see it, open to critique.
 
This is a great response. If I may add though, I think Modernism a little more bleak than what you painted - the conceptualization of making nature our bitch is the evolution of Romantism -> Modernism at play. Modernism is the deconstruction of romantic ideals (Think: Emma - Jane Austin); Romantics passionately pursued freedom of thought while embracing nature while Modernists disavow nature for manmade technology. It's not just the Mastering of Nature, it's the deconstruction of the purpose of nature except as a resource to exploit for further advancement in technology. As such, Post-Modernism rejects Modernist thought as not on a way to showcase distrust in the technology that was revered in the modernist era, but to showcase how modernist thought lead to the crippling of the planet, from a granular human level to a climate-changing global level.

The reason post-modernism get's toted as a left-wing ideal set and post-post-modernism/metamodernism get's portrayed as a rightwing one I think has less to do with their inherent politics and more to do with where they place their emphasis on thought. Post-Modernism seeks to correct the human component that Modernism lacked while Metamodernism rejects the human component even being important while also rejecting the technological importance placed by modernists.

In other words, I'd sum it up as:
  • Romantics:
    • I sure do love thinking while sitting in the middle of the woods.
    • I wonder what the pursuit of man should be, if not just to exist within this beautiful world.
    • People and lives are complicated and it's fun to think on.
  • Modernists:
    • I sure do love thinking while sitting inside of my office.
    • The pursuit of man was to get us here so we can build off of their discoveries and create a technological utopia.
    • People and lives are complicated, but with the proper advancements in technology and thought we will be able to solve the issues that keep man at war, internally and externally.
  • Post-Modernist:
    • I sure hate people telling me what they think all the time when nobody is thinking about the thoughts themselves and how short-sighted they are.
    • For example: why is it the pursuit of man and not the pursuit of Womxn they keep stressing?
    • People and lives are extremely complicated, you will never understand somebody else's experience and nothing will change that.
  • Post-Post-Modernism/Metamodernism:
    • I sure hate these post-modernists complaining all of the time, and yes I know that's a complaint in itself. Social issues are for faggots, technology is for autists, we exist in the self-aware dumb space in-between.
    • No shit the pursuit of man is pointless, stay mad.
    • People and lives are complicated, more news at 10. We could dwell on this like the last 3 movements have done but I'd rather fuck around and see what we can spawn from chaos.
At least that's how I see it, open to critique.
I think this is an great rendering of the various movements, and the addition to the modernist movement was excellent.
 
Modernism, post-modernism, post-post modernism, meta-modernism, I can't believe it's not modernism™... I just want to grill for God's sake!
This is a great response. If I may add though, I think Modernism a little more bleak than what you painted - the conceptualization of making nature our bitch is the evolution of Romantism -> Modernism at play. Modernism is the deconstruction of romantic ideals (Think: Emma - Jane Austin); Romantics passionately pursued freedom of thought while embracing nature while Modernists disavow nature for manmade technology. It's not just the Mastering of Nature, it's the deconstruction of the purpose of nature except as a resource to exploit for further advancement in technology. As such, Post-Modernism rejects Modernist thought as not on a way to showcase distrust in the technology that was revered in the modernist era, but to showcase how modernist thought lead to the crippling of the planet, from a granular human level to a climate-changing global level.

The reason post-modernism get's toted as a left-wing ideal set and post-post-modernism/metamodernism get's portrayed as a rightwing one I think has less to do with their inherent politics and more to do with where they place their emphasis on thought. Post-Modernism seeks to correct the human component that Modernism lacked while Metamodernism rejects the human component even being important while also rejecting the technological importance placed by modernists.

In other words, I'd sum it up as:
  • Romantics:
    • I sure do love thinking while sitting in the middle of the woods.
    • I wonder what the pursuit of man should be, if not just to exist within this beautiful world.
    • People and lives are complicated and it's fun to think on.
  • Modernists:
    • I sure do love thinking while sitting inside of my office.
    • The pursuit of man was to get us here so we can build off of their discoveries and create a technological utopia.
    • People and lives are complicated, but with the proper advancements in technology and thought we will be able to solve the issues that keep man at war, internally and externally.
  • Post-Modernist:
    • I sure hate people telling me what they think all the time when nobody is thinking about the thoughts themselves and how short-sighted they are.
    • For example: why is it the pursuit of man and not the pursuit of Womxn they keep stressing?
    • People and lives are extremely complicated, you will never understand somebody else's experience and nothing will change that.
  • Post-Post-Modernism/Metamodernism:
    • I sure hate these post-modernists complaining all of the time, and yes I know that's a complaint in itself. Social issues are for faggots, technology is for autists, we exist in the self-aware dumb space in-between.
    • No shit the pursuit of man is pointless, stay mad.
    • People and lives are complicated, more news at 10. We could dwell on this like the last 3 movements have done but I'd rather fuck around and see what we can spawn from chaos.
At least that's how I see it, open to critique.
I thought that the difference between post-post modernism and meta modernism is that post-post modernism is a reaction against post-modernism while meta-modernism has the viewpoint that it's all just a meme/cycle.
 
Modernism, post-modernism, post-post modernism, meta-modernism, I can't believe it's not modernism™... I just want to grill for God's sake!

I thought that the difference between post-post modernism and meta modernism is that post-post modernism is a reaction against post-modernism while meta-modernism has the viewpoint that it's all just a meme/cycle.
Meta-modernism is just one of the potential schools of though under the post-post-modernism movement, since it hasn't really solidified yet.
 
High/Late Modernism, which is characterized as the period from the ~1950's through the 1990's, was representative of confidence in the potential for scientific and technological progress. Reliance and sincere belief in the expertise of scientists, engineers, doctors and other intellectuals to solve the problems of mankind. Mastering nature (nuclear power, going to space, etc...) and being able to make complex concepts and theories accessible. Disregarding historical contexts and tenets. Objective truths and knowledge are prized.

Postmodernism is generally from the 1990's through the present and into the foreseeable future, with the present being what I consider to be peak postmodern. Postmodernism's linchpin is essentially critical theory. It is a reaction to, and essentially a rejection of, modernism. It is demonstrated by the belief in the relativity of all things. Information is framed as relative to the value systems and social structure in which it was produced. It is typically a rejection of universalism, of over-arching theories and narratives. Subjective truths and social progress are prized.
It feels like we have some unholy hybrid of these two right now, at least as of the past few years. Haven't you noticed a greater emphasis on "The Experts" (even before 2020) and "debunking conspiracy theories", all the while weirdo movements like New Age people who hate GMOs and believe in crystal healing and homeopathy are pushed to the back? And every society in the world is marching on the path of inevitable progress toward the Superior Future of moon wheat and everyone living in sprawling cities because rural ignorance is dying off.

Yet all the while we're told that personal experience trumps actual facts and there's different ways of knowing things, like some African tribe's believe on the weather is just as factual as modern science. There's also an incredible nihilism present in culture and society, where everything is treated as meaningless and ironic (which is a very postmodern thing). That's probably because society itself feels very fake and plastic thanks to the world the elites described above have created. Postmodernist scholar Baudrillard's Simulacra and Simulation is a great description of this.

This isn't just shit some loser like Moviebob believes either, this is the mindset of much of the bureaucratic class that populates the upper ranks of government and corporations. Experts will solve all of our problems because they know science, and because they know science that makes them experts. It's not surprising people bring up the Brave New World (a subversion of modernism, especially HG Wells's utopian novels) so often in relation to this, since "live in the pods and eat the bugs for efficiency while the Experts and AI solve all the world's problems" is pure modernism, but we've blended in a lot of elements of postmodernism too.

Is there a term for this ideology, or am I just describing a different definition of postmodernism?
 
It feels like we have some unholy hybrid of these two right now, at least as of the past few years. Haven't you noticed a greater emphasis on "The Experts" (even before 2020) and "debunking conspiracy theories", all the while weirdo movements like New Age people who hate GMOs and believe in crystal healing and homeopathy are pushed to the back? And every society in the world is marching on the path of inevitable progress toward the Superior Future of moon wheat and everyone living in sprawling cities because rural ignorance is dying off.

Yet all the while we're told that personal experience trumps actual facts and there's different ways of knowing things, like some African tribe's believe on the weather is just as factual as modern science. There's also an incredible nihilism present in culture and society, where everything is treated as meaningless and ironic (which is a very postmodern thing). That's probably because society itself feels very fake and plastic thanks to the world the elites described above have created. Postmodernist scholar Baudrillard's Simulacra and Simulation is a great description of this.

This isn't just shit some loser like Moviebob believes either, this is the mindset of much of the bureaucratic class that populates the upper ranks of government and corporations. Experts will solve all of our problems because they know science, and because they know science that makes them experts. It's not surprising people bring up the Brave New World (a subversion of modernism, especially HG Wells's utopian novels) so often in relation to this, since "live in the pods and eat the bugs for efficiency while the Experts and AI solve all the world's problems" is pure modernism, but we've blended in a lot of elements of postmodernism too.

Is there a term for this ideology, or am I just describing a different definition of postmodernism?

The government was definitely approaching the COVID issue from a modernist perspective, which is why it failed so spectacularly in the postmodern era. Their message of "Trust The Science! The experts know best!" was about 20 years too late.

Crystal healing, homeopathy, and all that other garbage is the postmodern reaction to modernistic medicine. Even with technology and science making it easier and simpler to treat disease and injury, than ever before, even being able to cure people that were guaranteed to die just 20 years ago, people feel they no longer have that person experience with their doctor that they used to have. As a postmodern reaction in steps all the Woo Garbage that doesn't help in any real way, but is completely focused on the person, the practitioner takes the time to listen, understand, and empathize. It is filling the emotional, social, and spiritual void left by real medicine.

The feeling of the world as a hollow, cold, unfeeling place fits perfectly with postmodernism. Modernism didn't have a people centric focus, it lacked spiritual or social messaging, and was not personal. This lead to the postmodern movement towards a personal and social focus. The messaging would be about endorsing one's feelings and beliefs, validating that what they feel as just as valid and equal as anything else.

I would say you are describing the reactionary nature of postmodernism quite well.
 
Modernism, post-modernism, post-post modernism, meta-modernism, I can't believe it's not modernism™... I just want to grill for God's sake!

I thought that the difference between post-post modernism and meta modernism is that post-post modernism is a reaction against post-modernism while meta-modernism has the viewpoint that it's all just a meme/cycle.
Meta-modernism is just one of the potential schools of though under the post-post-modernism movement, since it hasn't really solidified yet.
Pretty much - meta-modernism stems from post-post-modernism and is a subset of it I would say. Or maybe Meta-Modernism is applied post-post-modernism - the reaction against post-modernism represents itself as meta-modernism.
It feels like we have some unholy hybrid of these two right now, at least as of the past few years. Haven't you noticed a greater emphasis on "The Experts" (even before 2020) and "debunking conspiracy theories", all the while weirdo movements like New Age people who hate GMOs and believe in crystal healing and homeopathy are pushed to the back? And every society in the world is marching on the path of inevitable progress toward the Superior Future of moon wheat and everyone living in sprawling cities because rural ignorance is dying off.

Yet all the while we're told that personal experience trumps actual facts and there's different ways of knowing things, like some African tribe's believe on the weather is just as factual as modern science. There's also an incredible nihilism present in culture and society, where everything is treated as meaningless and ironic (which is a very postmodern thing). That's probably because society itself feels very fake and plastic thanks to the world the elites described above have created. Postmodernist scholar Baudrillard's Simulacra and Simulation is a great description of this.

This isn't just shit some loser like Moviebob believes either, this is the mindset of much of the bureaucratic class that populates the upper ranks of government and corporations. Experts will solve all of our problems because they know science, and because they know science that makes them experts. It's not surprising people bring up the Brave New World (a subversion of modernism, especially HG Wells's utopian novels) so often in relation to this, since "live in the pods and eat the bugs for efficiency while the Experts and AI solve all the world's problems" is pure modernism, but we've blended in a lot of elements of postmodernism too.

Is there a term for this ideology, or am I just describing a different definition of postmodernism?

A lot this confusion stems from TV hosts throwing around modernism, post-modernism or, god forbid, neo-marxist-post-modernism without having any frame of reference to the art that formed these movements and instead use them as a colloquial term to lump together ideas. At it's core, what you are saying is Modernism, but Post-Modernism is a step-child of Modernism so by default it's also encapsulated in the same school of thought.

The goal of the post-modernist and modernist is the same: utopia through advancement, the modernist though machinery and technology the post-modernist through social structure and psychological understanding. Post-modernists reject the concept of a utopia while constructing their own utopian ideals. Unlike the modernist, they understand it's not achievable, but they work towards it. The post-post-modernist rejects utopia outright and dismisses the benefits of working towards it as a futile attempt of grounding yourself in what's understood by them as a world that is nothing but chaos. As such, "TrUsT tHe ScIeNtIsTs" is a core value of modernism and a result of working towards the utopian horizon of a post-modernist.

In other words, yes.
 
Pretty much - meta-modernism stems from post-post-modernism and is a subset of it I would say. Or maybe Meta-Modernism is applied post-post-modernism - the reaction against post-modernism represents itself as meta-modernism.


A lot this confusion stems from TV hosts throwing around modernism, post-modernism or, god forbid, neo-marxist-post-modernism without having any frame of reference to the art that formed these movements and instead use them as a colloquial term to lump together ideas. At it's core, what you are saying is Modernism, but Post-Modernism is a step-child of Modernism so by default it's also encapsulated in the same school of thought.

The goal of the post-modernist and modernist is the same: utopia through advancement, the modernist though machinery and technology the post-modernist through social structure and psychological understanding. Post-modernists reject the concept of a utopia while constructing their own utopian ideals. Unlike the modernist, they understand it's not achievable, but they work towards it. The post-post-modernist rejects utopia outright and dismisses the benefits of working towards it as a futile attempt of grounding yourself in what's understood by them as a world that is nothing but chaos. As such, "TrUsT tHe ScIeNtIsTs" is a core value of modernism and a result of working towards the utopian horizon of a post-modernist.

In other words, yes.
They're right in that utopianism is futile and madness. But they're just as mad to give in to despair.

All of the Enlightenment and post-Enlightenment philosophies have been making the same mistakes, just a difference in extremes. Despair, the belief that there is no truth, and thus hedonic nihilism as a distraction, is the inevitable result of Materialism/scientism/atheism.

The next step beyond the Modernism cycle is holding up evil as good and good as evil. We're starting to see it and constantly discuss such people on the farms. Pomo Idpol reductionists think ugliness is beauty, victimhood is power, free speech is oppression, responsibility is slavery, etc.
 
The next step beyond the Modernism cycle is holding up evil as good and good as evil. We're starting to see it and constantly discuss such people on the farms. Pomo Idpol reductionists think ugliness is beauty, victimhood is power, free speech is oppression, responsibility is slavery, etc.

First time I've seen 'pomo' before, stealing that. As with all schools of thought, it's easy to cherry-pick the "they were right about this but wrong about this" after the fact then it is at the time the movement was relevant.

I would argue that describing pomo as turning good to evil is a post-post-modernist thought in itself - the pomo movement is about individualism at a granular level, accepting all thoughts as valid no matter the source as only oneself can know their truth. While both modernists and post-modernists delve deeply into examining the self, modernists believe they can find the answers while pomo believes there is no answer beyond one's own beliefs. The extension of this being that there is no true good or evil outside of preventing someone from living/experiencing/exploring their beliefs.

Seeing this as "turning good to evil" is the post-post-modernist perspective; while both agree there is no universal truth and trying to formulate one is futile, the post-postmodernist movement is centered around tempering someone's truth as it rejects the notion that all thoughts are valid. As such, the post-postmodernist/metamodernist will see the pomo movement as corruptive, as they exhaustively promote all ideals as valid while the post-postmodernist (popomo?) question if validity is even a thing.

Turning victimhood to power, for example, is only seen through the lens of a post-post-modernist. A modernist would argue that victimhood is a self-inflicted curse, as your emotional state and thoughts are what's leading to your downfall; learn more and get those in order, and you can surmount this, placing the power in the hands of the individual.

A post-modernist would argue that victimhood is defined only by the victim and that nobody outside of the inflicted individual can define their victimhood. The way to surmount this is through changing society, as while individual struggle can be treated, the root of the problem exists within society itself for not validating the truths of others.

A post-post-modernist sees victimhood as a self-inflicted curse, much like the modernist. However, the way to surmount this isn't through self-reflection or by changing society, both of which are futile, but instead embracing chaos and owning it. In a way, this also rehashes the pomo idea of relishing in your weakness, but instead of trying to portray one's truth to the world and forcing them to accept it, the importance is placed on the individual applying pragmatic thought to those emotions, learning to accept what is valid and understanding what isn't. Dismissing someone's truth (i.e. fat people are as beautiful as skinny people) is that pragmatic idealism at play.

Post-Modernists aren't turning good to evil as much as they are saying there is no good or evil, only one's truth. Defining or categorizing someone's thoughts as good or evil goes against the whole purpose of post-modernism, going by its core definition and not how the media portrays it. So while the consequence of post-modernism is this flipping of right-to-wrong and vice-versa, I wouldn't say Pomo Idpol reductionists do this intentionally as much as it is the follow-up to exploring and validating the thoughts of all parties, except those who wish to impede on the thoughts of others.

The post-post-modernist re-compartmentalizes these thoughts into good or evil, applying pragmatic idealism to one's truth. So, in a way, I think the next step isn't the flipping of Good or Evil as much as it will be a movement centered around accepting that good can be evil and evil can be good, with good and evil existing as universal truths that can be defined instead of contextual conceptualizations from individuals. This is the natural reaction to modernists opening the flood gate of idpol, post-modernists diving in headfirst, and post-post-modernists looking at a bunch of people who are soaking wet and cold without anything to show for it. While a post-postmodernist will agree with the Post-modernist, that there isn't any universal truth, they work towards finding and establishing one; a postmodernist would say "accept all truths or else" and the post-postmodernist says "or else what?"

If you read this far, I appreciate the eyes on this 800+ word essay. All of this is up for debate; schools of thought aren't as defined as the media would like you to think and you can find post-modern examples that seem incredibly modernist and modernist poems that reek of post-modernity. Post-postmodernity is currently happening, and defining a movement at the time of its inception falls short of encapsulating all of its viewpoints. In short, think of the evolution of modernity as a lineage of family members instead of 3 different people in a seminar. The grandparent being conservative, their son rebelling and then, in turn, their grandson rebelling the thoughts of their father. They may all feud, but they are all family at the end of the day with "who's idea was what" only getting more blurred as they continue to reproduce offspring that continues to rebel.
 
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This is a great response. If I may add though, I think Modernism a little more bleak than what you painted - the conceptualization of making nature our bitch is the evolution of Romantism -> Modernism at play. Modernism is the deconstruction of romantic ideals (Think: Emma - Jane Austin); Romantics passionately pursued freedom of thought while embracing nature while Modernists disavow nature for manmade technology. It's not just the Mastering of Nature, it's the deconstruction of the purpose of nature except as a resource to exploit for further advancement in technology. As such, Post-Modernism rejects Modernist thought as not on a way to showcase distrust in the technology that was revered in the modernist era, but to showcase how modernist thought lead to the crippling of the planet, from a granular human level to a climate-changing global level.

The reason post-modernism get's toted as a left-wing ideal set and post-post-modernism/metamodernism get's portrayed as a rightwing one I think has less to do with their inherent politics and more to do with where they place their emphasis on thought. Post-Modernism seeks to correct the human component that Modernism lacked while Metamodernism rejects the human component even being important while also rejecting the technological importance placed by modernists.

In other words, I'd sum it up as:
  • Romantics:
    • I sure do love thinking while sitting in the middle of the woods.
    • I wonder what the pursuit of man should be, if not just to exist within this beautiful world.
    • People and lives are complicated and it's fun to think on.
  • Modernists:
    • I sure do love thinking while sitting inside of my office.
    • The pursuit of man was to get us here so we can build off of their discoveries and create a technological utopia.
    • People and lives are complicated, but with the proper advancements in technology and thought we will be able to solve the issues that keep man at war, internally and externally.
  • Post-Modernist:
    • I sure hate people telling me what they think all the time when nobody is thinking about the thoughts themselves and how short-sighted they are.
    • For example: why is it the pursuit of man and not the pursuit of Womxn they keep stressing?
    • People and lives are extremely complicated, you will never understand somebody else's experience and nothing will change that.
  • Post-Post-Modernism/Metamodernism:
    • I sure hate these post-modernists complaining all of the time, and yes I know that's a complaint in itself. Social issues are for faggots, technology is for autists, we exist in the self-aware dumb space in-between.
    • No shit the pursuit of man is pointless, stay mad.
    • People and lives are complicated, more news at 10. We could dwell on this like the last 3 movements have done but I'd rather fuck around and see what we can spawn from chaos.
At least that's how I see it, open to critique.
This is honestly a good and brief explanation of what the movements are all about. Easily digestible.

I want to add something to the discussion, years before, me and my friends were discussing about the exact same thing over a light meal, of what's the movement that will come after post-modernism. Because we think that the movements that exist before are rejection of previous ones, we came to the conclusion (at the time) that the new movement for the next generation (zoomers) would be a rejection of all narrative convention, and a move towards an interconnected experience that formed a "narrative". Something like an idea of Media Mix, or narrative that is aware and challenge the idea that they're themselves a "fictional" narrative.

I might misremembered something, but that's the gist of our findings
 
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