Grace Lavery / Joseph Lavery & Daniel M. Lavery / Mallory Ortberg - "Straight with extra steps" couple trooning out to avoid "dwindling into mere heterosexuality"

[BluntyBitch]

Uh so what was the racist thing that was said? I'm not seeing anything but I am not a prestigious academic. Also, lol at "Idk this nice guy seems like a racist!" - Months later "Our instincts were right!" Who knew that prejudice was so effective?

"We have these black neighbors, and they just seem like thugs, like they give off "will say something thuggish vibes," we're avoiding them because they seem like they will say thug related stuff, and we don't stand for that."

 

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Joe has been boring and quiet so I’m going to assume one of two things:

He’s really sick and is ashamed of his behavior or has the good sense to know he was too open with his callous spread of germs


Or

He’s running all around town and doesn’t want people to know.

Also I’m disappointed by the glimpses we have of his book. It sounds boring. I’m so bored with everything I’ve heard about it, I don’t think I will read it after all.

What a blah Joe week. It makes me realize that his relationships with his ménage a trois is the most interesting thing about him and without that he’s a big snooze. No wonder he posts about that a lot. Even he realizes you can dress yourself in wild mismatched colors and obsessively ferment things and still need some real vag to spice yourself up. Do transwomen need real women to be more exciting themselves? Is this part of the allure?

It all kind of makes sense if you think about it. He’s desperate for attention but he himself is boring. So he clothes himself in a different identity. Wears other people’s garish inventions made more garish by mismatch and inappropriate settings.
He tries to spice up his life with real women. He needs to tell a new dick joke every minute on IG.

Joe is boring. Joe knows he’s boring. He has to struggle to get enough attentionnarcissistic supply.

I’m exhausted thinking about his addictive needs for pleasure and attention.

Through this lens it all makes sense: he’s addicted to sensory seeking AND attention. But he himself is boring and he feels insecure about it. So knuckle tattoos, dirty jokes, shocking behavior that is clearly performed and not authentically produced, and a constant parade of oddities all performed publicly is what he’s doing to meet his addictive hedonistic needs including attention seeking.

Since he’s not attention seeking right now… something is up. I think he realized he got caught breaking Covid rules.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

Joe has been boring and quiet so I’m going to assume one of two things:

He’s really sick and is ashamed of his behavior or has the good sense to know he was too open with his callous spread of germs


Or

He’s running all around town and doesn’t want people to know.

Also I’m disappointed by the glimpses we have of his book. It sounds boring. I’m so bored with everything I’ve heard about it, I don’t think I will read it after all.

What a blah Joe week. It makes me realize that his relationships with his ménage a trois is the most interesting thing about him and without that he’s a big snooze. No wonder he posts about that a lot. Even he realizes you can dress yourself in wild mismatched colors and obsessively ferment things and still need some real vag to spice yourself up. Do transwomen need real women to be more exciting themselves? Is this part of the allure?

It all kind of makes sense if you think about it. He’s desperate for attention but he himself is boring. So he clothes himself in a different identity. Wears other people’s garish inventions made more garish by mismatch and inappropriate settings.
He tries to spice up his life with real women. He needs to tell a new dick joke every minute on IG.

Joe is boring. Joe knows he’s boring. He has to struggle to get enough attentionnarcissistic supply.

I’m exhausted thinking about his addictive needs for pleasure and attention.

Through this lens it all makes sense: he’s addicted to sensory seeking AND attention. But he himself is boring and he feels insecure about it. So knuckle tattoos, dirty jokes, shocking behavior that is clearly performed and not authentically produced, and a constant parade of oddities all performed publicly is what he’s doing to meet his addictive hedonistic needs including attention seeking.

Since he’s not attention seeking right now… something is up. I think he realized he got caught breaking Covid rules.

I’d bet his silly live podcast gig is in jeopardy. I can’t imagine the random ppl participating in that shitshow wanted to share airspace without Joe unless he could produce two negative covid tests.

Uh so what was the racist thing that was said? I'm not seeing anything but I am not a prestigious academic. Also, lol at "Idk this nice guy seems like a racist!" - Months later "Our instincts were right!" Who knew that prejudice was so effective?

It’s a real “and then Einstein and everyone clapped” type of letter. I guess the new advice columnist is as much as a sucker as Mo. I can’t believe the “bad TV sitcom” visual of the garage door closing as the bad racists beg the white couple with pristine racist predicting abilities to please be their friends, because that happens.

I can’t tell you how many Trump supporters I’ve seen openly weeping because their cool hipster neighbors shunned them. You can totally smell their regret and remorse.

 

[Frances Kiwi Farmer]

I’d bet his silly live podcast gig is in jeopardy. I can’t imagine the random ppl participating in that shitshow wanted to share airspace without Joe unless he could produce two negative covid tests.

Hahahahahaaahahahahah

 

[Diana Moon Glampers]

Sounds like someone heard there's actual jail time involved if you go to an airport in violation of the rules, and maybe got told he shouldn't feed so many trolls if he also wants to play fast and loose with federal pandemic emergency regulations.

 

[Potatis Salad]

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So his reason is that he wants to, but can't because his covid symptoms are too serious? I don't understand, this is idiotic to admit publicly. Why didn't he go with the MUCH more sympathetic, "I still have symptomatic covid and I must protect all you beautiful kweers"?

He is acting like a complete and utter asshole, could he really have such severe "brain fog" that he can't get it together enough to maintain the illusion of prosocial behavior on social media?

 

[Julie Newmar]

So his reason is that he wants to, but can't because his covid symptoms are too serious? I don't understand, this is idiotic to admit publicly. Why didn't he go with the MUCH more sympathetic, "I still have symptomatic covid and I must protect all you beautiful kweers"?

He is acting like a complete and utter asshole, could he really have such severe "brain fog" that he can't get it together enough to maintain the illusion of prosocial behavior on social media?

“What? Oh no I don’t actually care if I get people sick, dear…. No, no, I must pull out because the people deserve my full brain.”

 

[Mek Quake]

This is Terryberry and Mike if they had money.

 

[Trianon]

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All the comments are people telling him it is absolutely standard to be sick for two weeks, vaxxed or no.


"Poors are yelling at me!"
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I did not know this about her, but it led me to an excerpt from Something That May Shock and Discredit You:

For so many years, I was easily able to dismiss the question of whether I had any particular opinions or preferences when it came to my own body under the comfortable rubric that most women disliked their bodies, because of sexism and through no fault of their own, and that the best thing one could do in that situation, if self-acceptance seemed overly ambitious, was to keep it to oneself since everyone else was suffering in the same way. At the age of eleven or twelve I had become dimly aware that something had stalled with my pubescence. I had been taken to a doctor, diagnosed with a common, treatable hormone disorder called polycystic ovarian syndrome, and placed on a regimen of feminizing hormones I would take without questioning for the next eighteen years. I had grown comfortable at the thought of my body as a public resource that I was responsible for holding in trust. I had been charged with maintenance and general upkeep, and on the strength of such a relationship had been able to develop a certain vague fondness for it, while also maintaining a pleasant distance. Don't ask me; I just work here, was my attitude. I can let the supervisor know when there's a problem and they tell me how to fix it.

PCOS can often lead to excess weight gain, and managing that weight can reduce a lot of symptoms. Perhaps liposuction was eventually seen as a treatment for her PCOS, which does not just affect appearance but can lead to diabetes.

 

[Potatis Salad]

Joe posted this inspiring quote as an Instagram story:

Keep telling yourself that, Joe.

Meanwhile, Mallory is all smiles in NYC by herself:

 

[Diana Moon Glampers]

So you're going to "fuck up" boundaries and consent while engaging in sadomasochism.

Translated: Hey, what's a little rape and domestic violence between friends?

 

[OttoWest]

Mallory’s glued on floor trimmings “beard” never fails to make me lol.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

Joe posted this inspiring quote as an Instagram story:
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Keep telling yourself that, Joe.

Meanwhile, Mallory is all smiles in NYC by herself:
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It’s damn disingenuous of her to try and frame PCOS treatment as being placed on “feminizing hormones”. They put girls on hormones to help regulate their natural hormones, not to “feminize” them. But I guess this is to be expected from someone writing a book about really being a man.

I have a hard time believing she was taken to a doctor for “puberty stalling” simply because 11 or 12 is still way too young for concern about that. Doctors start to worry about lack of puberty in 15 or 16 year olds.

Most adolescent girls get Dx with PCOS due to heavy painful periods, hair growth and weight gain or not starting their period by 15 or 16 years of age. (PCOS tends to either cause an early or late start to menstruation.)

I could see her mother taking her to the doctor due to unsightly hair growth or weight gain. But no doctor would be concerned by lack of puberty at 11/12. I think 12/13 is the dead average age for expected puberty development.

There’s no way the liposuction had anything to do with PCOS or anything but cosmetic appearance. Liposuction simply targets small pockets of fat in places women don’t like - usually the waist, hips, belly. It has no effect on helping obesity or diabetes. Actually you can’t get liposuction if you are really obese, it’s pointless. It’s why they do gastric sleeves instead of liposuction to treat morbidly obese ppl. You will lose, at most six or seven pounds via lipo - removing any more is considered very risky.

 

[BluntyBitch]

Since Joe likes to be roasted by friends, I just wanted to drop some quality shitposting here for ya! Glad I could help Jos!

https://www.ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/9548/talk-about-a-self-own

 

[Diana Moon Glampers]

The "PCOS to trans pipeline" happens because PCOS gives women higher than normal levels of testosterone, causing hirsutism and non-standard weight distribution patterns.

So what you really have is a "dumpy, hairy girl who gets dunked on by all her school bullies for looking mannish to trans" pipeline, and that's fucking sad. I've said it before and will say it again, a major tenet of troon theory is that everyone's high school bullies were right all along. Dumpy, hairy girls just aren't real girls!

 

[Constellationzero]

Mallory’s glued on floor trimmings “beard” never fails to make me lol.

I thought it was hair glued on from Sideshow's asscrack.

 

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The "PCOS to trans pipeline" happens because PCOS gives women higher than normal levels of testosterone, causing hirsutism and non-standard weight distribution patterns.

So what you really have is a "dumpy, hairy girl who gets dunked on by all her school bullies for looking mannish to trans" pipeline, and that's fucking sad. I've said it before and will say it again, a major tenet of troon theory is that everyone's high school bullies were right all along. Dumpy, hairy girls just aren't real girls!

PCOS is so very common that it’s almost normal. Every menstruating person and their girl dog has PCOS it seems. (Dogs can be girls/females/bitches and aren’t just menstruating dogs, have you noticed? Unlike human menstruators who must be without gender so as not to exclude.)


It almost seems like she resents someone giving her hormones as a minor. Kind of like something else going on right now (trans youth being medicalized!).

I don’t know why I feel maternal toward these idiots, but that recent picture of Mallory with the dog grabbing her hat is depressing. Her eyes look sad. She looks vulnerable.

I genuinely question California as a place to raise healthy kids. Maybe the Ortbergs should have stayed in Illinois. You really wonder. What would this family be like had they stayed a suburban Chicago family with a normal community, fall fests, pumpkins, the Home Alone house nearby, Greek town a few minutes away, world class museums, not so many billionaire douche bags, and extended family. Plus it’s normal for Midwestern girls to be a bit frumpy and a bit of fat is good for winter.

Instead the Ortbergs raised kids a few minutes from depravity in any direction, from sickening wealth to drugs to freaky Silicon Valley sex parties, sex trafficking, suicides on the train tracks outside the high school and off the bridge, homelessness, parents who push their kids to do geometry by 7th so they can make sure to fit in both AP calc classes by Junior year and kids literally doing summer academic research by selective admission by 10th grade. Silicon Valley is so fucked up that no one is coming out of there normal.

The older I get, the more I see how aspirational living is a stupid way to go. Mallory is everything you would expect from this scenario including the absolute cluelessness as to how her former culture is still running her whole life.

People whose aim is to rebel still allow the dominators to control them. They still follow the same path it’s just by doing the opposite of what is expected of them. So they wanted her to be a healthy girl with PCOS under control at a healthy weight so she could have an easier and happier life?

Well then she’s gonna be a boy and do the opposite. Guess what. You’re still taking hormones. Instead of BCP it’s T and instead of lipo it’s boob removal and baggy chest scar. What a rebel. You showed them who owns your body. Yes you did, you bad boy!

 

[Trianon]

It’s damn disingenuous of her to try and frame PCOS treatment as being placed on “feminizing hormones”.

That really stood out to me too. Maybe that would apply if you are unfortunate enough to grow heavy facial hair without it. But the hormones are what your body needs to function internally. There's nothing feminizing about getting what your body needs.

It almost seems like she resents someone giving her hormones as a minor. Kind of like something else going on right now (trans youth being medicalized!).

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People whose aim is to rebel still allow the dominators to control them. They still follow the same path it’s just by doing the opposite of what is expected of them. So they wanted her to be a healthy girl with PCOS under control at a healthy weight so she could have an easier and happier life?

Well then she’s gonna be a boy and do the opposite. Guess what. You’re still taking hormones. Instead of BCP it’s T and instead of lipo it’s boob removal and baggy chest scar. What a rebel. You showed them who owns your body. Yes you did, you bad boy!

It's like she truly thinks having PCOS or anything similar means she should have been able to choose to be a man or a woman! Her resentment over taking hormones early is similar to troons constantly saying puberty is a curse and it's being forced on you by someone. Mallory heard this and thought, "Wow, that literally applied to me, I could have been a man this whole time. I want PCOS, it's good actually."

That's a very different reaction than someone who does all they can with treatment and has to accept that it can only help them so much. There is still something wrong with their bodies, but they have to learn to be OK with the fact that they are hairier than some and that having a kid of their own might be hard. But Mallory's worldview can't allow any stigma or shame, including the idea that something can be wrong with your body. Her "cure," transmedicalism, isn't a cure at all; it's leaning into the disease and telling us it's Who You Really Are, instead of letting it be a neutral-to-bad thing that you have to learn to live with.

 

[Umaibae]

The "PCOS to trans pipeline" happens because PCOS gives women higher than normal levels of testosterone, causing hirsutism and non-standard weight distribution patterns.

So what you really have is a "dumpy, hairy girl who gets dunked on by all her school bullies for looking mannish to trans" pipeline, and that's fucking sad. I've said it before and will say it again, a major tenet of troon theory is that everyone's high school bullies were right all along. Dumpy, hairy girls just aren't real girls!

Just want to clear things up: There are multiple subtypes of PCOS, one of which is called "lean PCOS." These women are thin, don't have any of the physical features of PCOS, nor any of the issues with insulin resistance. They're one of the more difficult types of PCOS to treat.

There's a misconception that PCOS only happens to ugly, dumpy, hairy girls — but this is simply not the case.

Anyway, carry on and keep dunking on Superspreader Joe.

 

[mold]

I have a hard time believing she was taken to a doctor for “puberty stalling” simply because 11 or 12 is still way too young for concern about that. Doctors start to worry about lack of puberty in 15 or 16 year olds.

I've actually typed out and deleted a response to this because I know horrible disgusting people read this thread and I'm not presenting them with information about children's bodies.