Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

[Dr George Whitebread]

So his rejection of words meaning things is in character. But you knew that already from the amazingly half-assed Muslim woman bit.

It's interesting that one of PT's most prominent friends is explicitly taking shots at Contra. So far PT's official channels have only subtweeted about how sad it is that some trans women hate themselves. I generally think Contra is Too Big to Cancel (Again), but I wonder if PT might quietly support his friends trying to do it. There's a lot of bitterness festering in those subtweets. Seeing Contra go down would be the ultimate schadenfreude, though I doubt he'd jump on a cancel train himself — there's too much overlap between their audiences.

It's pretty much Alice's shtick. It's purposefully edgy. It's like if someone purposefully made an account to make queer people look as bad as possible but some people aren't in on the joke and unironically support them because "they're on our side". Because being passive aggressive, being a fake muslim woman and saying works like "twink" every now and then is a brand worth keeping, apparently.

I know that the end goal is "make all words meaningless" when it comes to LGBT stuff, it's this weird idea that "no one is gay, no one is straight, no one is trans, they just are". Which means Alice unironically shouldn't support trans rights because being trans doesn't exist in his logic so why is he perpetuating it. Same with being lesbian, the fascist.

Contra will always be too big to cancel IMO. You don't have the clout to have the media make hundreds of "SHE'S GONNA SAVE US ALL FROM THE ALT-RIGHT CHUDS!!!" articles and not keep bouncing back from the odd setback, even if she's the one who keeps encouraging her fanbase to set the traps she falls in.

 

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Olly really should've pursued comedy instead of acting.

 

[Futaba]

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Olly really should've pursued comedy instead of acting.

God damn it maybe I am male after all as I am feeling like some stereotypical male pattern aggression after reading this tweet. For Olly to state that he is biologically female is actually insane. The silver lining to this tweet that maybe it will peak some unquestioning nice women out there but all the same this is breathtaking post-modern bullshit of the highest order. I did not think it was possible but he has outdone himself.

In regard to contra being too big to cancel, well I honestly think if people were to look at his back catalogue of pre transition videos they would see him for what he really is - a terminal degenerate. I had never seen them until recently and I don't know how anyone could say that the video with the octopus was a work of a socially aware functioning human. This kind of behaviour is still there in his more recent videos but he has the SJW kudos that masks it. I came across the following video when I was looking for contrapoints critiques which showcases the "humilitainment" he inserts in each video:

ContraPoints Descent into Madnyes~

With ContraPoints releasing Envy today, I decided to once again take some of the best of ContraPoints out of context, and release the successor to "ContraPoi...

www.youtube.com

 

[Boris Blank's glass eye]

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Olly really should've pursued comedy instead of acting.

Good to see him adapting increasingly radical TRA positions so quickly. I just hope he speedruns 41% in a similar manner.

God damn it maybe I am male after all as I am feeling like some stereotypical male pattern aggression after reading this tweet.

Please don't, this clown really isn't worth it. His newfound position isn't new and it isn't radical enough - he's yet to write long pseudoscientific diatribes á la Jimmy Radich who's the OG of this particular line of retardation.

 

[Futaba]

Please don't, this clown really isn't worth it. His newfound position isn't new and it isn't radical enough - he's yet to write long pseudoscientific diatribes á la Jimmy Radich who's the OG of this particular line of retardation.

I was aware that this came across as MATI as I was writing it but it just astounds me how he has the balls (lol) to say such a thing. The good thing about it is that it is yet another example of a trans person denying the biology of sex.

 

[narcissistic injury]

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I just - wat

 

[Tombigbee]

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Is this as close as we are going to get to Olly officially revealing he’s indeed on cross sex hormones? I would think that’s got to be what he’s evoking here? I’ve heard other (MtF) trannys argue that they are biologically female since they have more estrogen and “breasts” due to taking cross sex hormones. On the other hand, maybe Olly is referring to some new lunatic theory altogether. I wouldn’t be surprised.

 

[Boris Blank's glass eye]

Is this as close as we are going to get to Olly officially revealing he’s indeed on cross sex hormones? I would think that’s got to be what he’s evoking here? I’ve heard other (MtF) trannys argue that they are biologically female since they have more estrogen and “breasts” due to taking cross sex hormones. On the other hand, maybe Olly is referring to some new lunatic theory altogether. I wouldn’t be surprised.

No, I think it's the Jimmy Radich "estrogen made me female on a cellular level" pseudoscientific retardation that's not even wrong. Why doesn't he explain the whole argument though? Olly's definitely the kind of guy who'd love to dunk on them troonsphobes just to stroke his enormous ego.

 

[AssignedEva]

Is this as close as we are going to get to Olly officially revealing he’s indeed on cross sex hormones? I would think that’s got to be what he’s evoking here? I’ve heard other (MtF) trannys argue that they are biologically female since they have more estrogen and “breasts” due to taking cross sex hormones. On the other hand, maybe Olly is referring to some new lunatic theory altogether. I wouldn’t be surprised.

I think it's basically "I define as a woman" = "I am a woman" = "My body belongs to me, a woman, therefore it's a woman's body" = "some women have penises" and he's taken it one dumb step further and is trying to argue that since "some women have penises" their bodies are biologically female because idk they're women and they're biological organisms and words don't mean anything.

 

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>mfw I do have a female body and I am biologically female

Is this as close as we are going to get to Olly officially revealing he’s indeed on cross sex hormones? I would think that’s got to be what he’s evoking here? I’ve heard other (MtF) trannys argue that they are biologically female since they have more estrogen and “breasts” due to taking cross sex hormones. On the other hand, maybe Olly is referring to some new lunatic theory altogether. I wouldn’t be surprised.

I think he's just lost his mind. Inshallah he finds it.

 

[PyrrhicRustle]

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This is more nonsensical than Chris’ letter

 

[Aegir]

The answer to "what does olly mean by this?" is actually super simple. Olly is well versed in post-modernist nothingness (he basically got a degree in it), and this is a classic case of him removing meaning to already existing words. In his worldview, he is actually a woman in a female body because women and sex are just arbitrary concepts that ultimately are meaningless. There isn't anything deeper to it than that. This isn't a stealth admission that he is on HRT because you don't need HRT to be a woman. Literally if you decide one day to throw on a dress and call yourself Abigail that is just as good as being born with a vagina.

This isn't usually the approach most troons take to justify themselves (usually they just take things women experience and pretend to experience them too because that is more convincing to normies), but Olly isn't your run of the mill TRA.

 

[narcissistic injury]

With the wondering about if users from the UK are more perturbed by tube and Americans by contra…. I wonder also about the gender demographics of ppl in this thread.

ASL errybuddiiiiii

 

[Dr George Whitebread]

Olly is well versed in post-modernist nothingness (he basically got a degree in it), and this is a classic case of him removing meaning to already existing words. In his worldview, he is actually a woman in a female body because women and sex are just arbitrary concepts that ultimately are meaningless. There isn't anything deeper to it than that.

Very well said. "Post-Modernist Nothingness" is basically what all this support group is as a cope for their own laziness or lack of desire to put effort in being trans or queer. They don't want to be on the outside looking in so they built their own extension. AliceFakemuslimwoman is what happens when you OD on it. A stack overflow of wanting your nothingness to mean so little that you are suddenly very passionate about it when someone brings the fact you fake literally everything you are for attention out of defence. [Word] doesn't mean anything, except when someone else says [Word] does mean something, in which case the right to call themselves [Word] is revoked despite repeated claims it has no meaning (because they aren't real [Word] or because "you can only be [Word] if you're [Political leanings that are disagreed upon]") But [Word] has no meaning anyway. And then the cycle repeats itself.

Make another passive aggressive tweet, that'll stop them telling you the truth.

 

[Futaba]

As an aside, I love this amalgamation of high concept PT MS paint art:

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[AfghanBlue]

As a hopefully fairly interesting aside, your post spurred me to check out his recent patreon earnings...
Olly's subscriber count has been falling since April, 23rd this year, which I guess is when his transing started to lose its shine. It's dropped by 684 in 5 months, so around 137 a month / 4 a day. And that's including the little bumps every time he releases a new video. He's also dropped 2 points in the rankings and now 33rd overall (still pretty damn good considering). Shit, I was wrong, he's dropped 12 points in the rankings since April, that's actually a fairly big drop...
No idea how this would affect his income, but I'd assume it's not gone down much tbh. (Not trying to make this a: 'PT's account is imploding' post but a 'PT's account is becoming lacklustre' post.)

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My rather meandering point is that his transness didn't seem to have quite the long lasting affect he presumably hoped it would. He gained 1,774 new Patreons between Jan, 29th and the end of April, but he's already lost 1/3 of those since then. If nothing changes, he'll be back to his pre-transition Patreon number by July next year.

(Contra by the way, still ranks number 6 and has seen fairly steady numbers this year despite releasing literally only 2 videos in 9 months. His subscriptions also continue to increase each year - though god only knows why...)

Olly must have - of course - noticed all of this, right? Considering how much of a focus he pays on everything. I wonder how he feels about it all.

soemhwat relately, i just went and checked to see if Ollys youtube subs had dipped back under a mil: they are on 1.04.
what a shame, it would have been terrific if they’d dropped under only a few weeks after his big wank about 1 Million subscribers!
I don’t know how youtube goes exactly but i’m pretty sure once you’re up there it’s pretty hard to get back down, but with the amount of people he’s peaking into active dislike, as well as the general diminishing of quality for the casual viewer- i could see it happening, fairly soon for added mirth.
I dunno how you check, but be interesting to see what his actual peak count was- patreon is like the canary in the coal mine, though , and once people’s casual to do list eventually catches up with the the way the winds blowing for him.
I reckon his recent ‘am femoid’ catches on a bit he will really damage his reputation in even the most accepting circles, not to mention academic subbers-of which still are there- like not many but the absolute bat shittyness of this particular claim will shake a few stragglers into peakage.
lol maybe he really is a terf double agent, trying to make trans people look as deluded, hysterical, narcissistic and threatening to women as possible.
and if he’s not, that’s genuinely tragic for him.

 

[Tombigbee]

Saw this on Twitter. Presumably this is the logic that Olly applies to his “lITErAlLy BiOlOgICaLly FeMaLE” claim.

 

[esmeggs]

Seems like snl825 has moved to snl89, an account that hasn't really been active since 2015. Starting on September 22nd, 2021 they've been defending Olly and fighting with TERFs in comments sections. I haven't really dug into this account yet but there are a thousand tweets, most from about a decade ago with no likes or retweets- most seem to be about Glee and Adam Lambert? It's fucking bizarre.


I have so many more questions now. Why would someone make an alt account to defend Olly when their main account hasn't been active in so long and has so few followers? Why did they delete their alt and go back to their main? Why start posting on twitter again just to defend Olly? Why is there still no evidence that this is a real person with a real life? What the fuck?
If this is an actual person it's just so deranged. It's so hard to imagine someone being this insane, to patrol Olly's comments sections practically every day? Defend him for 9 hours straight from TERFs? Make another twitter account just to white knight for him? Tell everyone it's ok he made a "twansphobic" joke because he's about to come out as trans???

 

[Clem Fandango]

Saw this on Twitter. Presumably this is the logic that Olly applies to his “lITErAlLy BiOlOgICaLly FeMaLE” claim.
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What guff. "Neurological sex" is just "thinking something using your brain". The point is that even the sincerest transman or transwoman is thinking they are something they are not, and cannot possibly be.

A lunatic thinks he's a chicken. Is he "biologically" a chicken?

This is just a rebranding of some kind of magical, mystical man/woman "essence", dressed up to sound more science-y. Fuck off and try something new.

 

[AssignedEva]

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Let's break down what they're saying

• Phenotypical sex - Mr Reddit has sectioned out morphology, so phenology in this context would mean development and behaviour. You can modify the development of a person through hormone blockers and artificial hormones, but you can't switch it to the development of someone of the opposite sex. As for behaviour, and I guess secondary phenotype, sure someone can grow their hair out, sling on heels and a dress, and behave in a way they understand a woman behaves. I don't think anyone ever questioned that.
  
  
• Endocrinological sex - Yes, HRT exists. You can flood someone with chemicals that block testosterone production or add in a bunch of hormones. You're not changing the endocrinological sex, though, because without this medical intervention the body would revert to normal endocrinology until it becomes too damaged to do so. This is like saying a man with a low testosterone disorder has a different endocrinological sex. Certainly trans women do not have the cyclical hormones associated with pre-menopausal women (ever heard of a trans women taking FSH?).
  
  
• Morphological sex - Morphology is the physical structure of an organism. They've separated out gonads and genitals, so in the purest sense I guess this means skeletal structure, larynx, fat deposition and boobs. Testosterone can indeed permanently alter the larynx resulting in a permanently deepened voice and permanently alter hair follicles to make vellus hair into terminal hair. This can also happen to women with an endocrinological disorder like PCOS, who are not said to have a different sex. HRT both ways will also impact fat deposition, and yeah I guess you could include boob jobs/mastectomy (although a woman who's had a mastectomy isn't considered to have changed her "morphological sex") and fillers/hacking off bits of bone from the face. This would essentially be classed as morphology in the context of healthcare and surgical outcomes, but not really in a biological context.
  
  
• Genital sex - You can do a chop shop, but you can't actually change a vagina into a penis or a penis into a vagina. Someone who loses their genitals in an accident would not be said to have changed their genital sex, they're just injured. I guess they're including testosterone induced megaclitoris, but that's still not a penis and can also just happen to women who get e.g. adrenal cancer.
  
  
• Chromosomal sex - A bone marrow transplant does not modify chromosomal sex, it creates a transgenic mosaic. Even without a bone marrow transplant, cells may exhibit e.g. mosaic aneuploidy anyway. Not every cell in your body is guaranteed to have both of your sex chromosomes but that does not mean you have a different chromosomal sex. You can't change chromosomal sex (no not even with CRISPR, that's not how CRISPR works).
  
  
• Gondal sex - Gonads are organs that produce gametes. You cannot change ovaries into testes or vice versa, so no you cannot modify gonadal sex, you can only remove the gonads. A woman who's had a oophorectomy has not changed her gonadal sex, she just doesn't have gonads anymore.
  
  
• Neurological sex - There does appear to be some sexual differentiation between male brains and female brains, typically relating to the size-adjusted volume of some brain regions and the density distributions of grey matter. There also have been a couple of studies that suggest some trans people may have some brain structures more typical of the opposite sex. However, just like they like to say "how do you know what chromosomes you have? have you checked?" they have no guarantee that their brain is one that exhibits . Ironically neurological sex would be the main example of an area that is not binary but bimodal, as there is a spectrum between "male brain structure" and "female brain structure" with a lot of overlap (and most of the structures do not exhibit variance besides overall size, which is not correlated to function).

So to summarise: yes, you can modify how act and dress and then take some hormones before getting your genitals hacked up or some plastic surgery. This is not really telling us anything new, you're just claiming these things are "sex", which they are not.