Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

[AssignedEva]

In case anyone was curious, the British LGBT award for the Online Influencer category went to Jessica Kellgren-Fozard. Of course since Ollie pre-emptively declined the win due to "ethical considerations" we can all speculate that he actually won it and Jess is the runner up (he didn't and she isn't).

Islamaphobia is an actual spicey subject in comparison to his bland lemon drizzle cake that was his last video. Maybe he could open with a gender bent version of the prophet muhammad whilst reciting hadith 4098 "cursed the man who dressed like a woman and the woman who dressed like a man."

I would absolutely lose it if Alice was featured in his vid. Imagine the peaking. Alice is in some ways the worst of them all by not only identifying as a woman but as a muslim woman. He honestly makes my skin crawl.

Given his usual standard I don't imagine he'll have anything fresh to bring to the conversation and will just make an incredibly ham fisted video. The excellent thing with any video about burqas is you're pretty much guaranteed to raise the ire of either hijabis who see their hijab as their personal choice and expression of faith, or women and the descendants of women from oppressive regimes who have seen first hand how women have been subjugated by them - no doubt Ollie saw the BBC article about makeup artists fearing for their lives after the fall of Kabul. He'll no doubt try to walk the tightrope and say "for some women hijabs are good, but the main thing is not about forcing women either to wear them or not wear them", but he'll probably fuck that up and lean too far one way or the other.

For a YouTuber who's courting a left wing audience, this is a topic you don't want to touch with a bargepole beyond "Islamophobia is bad". Ollie wittering on quoting people without having any actual Muslims on will be a huge misfire given "stay in your lane" (he already managed to fail spectacularly at the relatively innocuous "women and food" video). I am very excited to see his costuming decisions on this video, because there's no way he's not going to do costumes but also no way for him to do on topic costumes without getting accused of cultural appropriation.

I also agree that Alice being featured would be the cherry on the cake. A white adult convert to Islam is going to have nothing meaningful to say about the pressure to wear a hijab and how that intersects with the free personal choice to express your religion by wearing a hijab, let alone a trans convert. The only perspective Alice can bring is what it's like to be a trans woman who's converted to Islam and wears a hijab, which might be vaguely interesting but will be irrelevant to a discussion of Islamophobia. I think Alice's tweet indicates an awareness of the peaking potential of deigning to speak for Muslim women, so I don't think we'll get that much of a shit fest.

 

[Chandelier]

This rings true for me, I don't care about authenticity and it's not something I expect from someone who is a "public figure". Contra's compulsive oversharing just comes off as idiotic and pathetic. The most shocking thing to me about the alt accounts was that they suggested that Olly might actually seriously believe in trans rights activism.

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Next video is on Islamophobia. Can't wait to see him gloss over how cruel and misogynistic the burqa is. This is one of the articles he has listed, claiming that wanting to ban the burqa is "xenophobic liberal feminism"- as if calling the burqa "a personal choice" isn't the epitome of liberal feminism.

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If we don't get to see his degenerate "muslim" friend "Alice" in the next video I will fucking riot.

He has a lot of opinion articles on 'Islamophobia' but none on actual Islamic history or the Koran. The Kosovo/Serbia conflict was on religious lines as was a good chunk of Balkanization. Reading Sikh history you'd find a long, long record of Muslims forcibly converting them and shoving them into boiling pots of water or sawing them in half from the nuts up.

Bill Warner is a better source on Islamic history and he writes it in an easy-to-read fashion. Acts17Apologetics has videos from the Christian perspective, comparing Biblical and Koranic quotes, and even classic AtheistTube used to go after Islam. What's PT going to do? Say the same thing European politicians have for the past seven years? We have lots of anecdotal and stats backing up Muslims behaving badly. Why, the 2015 Paris theatre attack was one, followed by the Belgian station attack, the Ariana Grande concert bombing...the list goes on.

One of the sources, 'Love Jihad' and the fear about being replaced by Muslims demographically isn't an unfounded one: it's been the pinnacle of its history. I don't think PT will talk about things like devshirme or Crusader texts. Breadtube, like Hasan and Three Arrows, would poo-pah him.

Interesting that Olly would delete his (alleged) burner account before publishing video as potentially provocative as Islamophobia. He's either thickened his skin and decided to take the criticism in his stride or - and I gotta think this is more likely - he's got to have another burner ready to go.

And I say potentially provocative, but anyone with an ounce of sense knows it's gonna be a shit show.

I bet that video is going to be juicy as hell. It's going to be so out of touch, especially with a European audience which has experienced it first hand.

Oh yes, Olly, I'm sure those European women culturally enriched by those fine men were all just Islamophobic!

 

[Cr1ms0n_&_C10v3r]

I absolutely preferred old repressed-autogynephilia Nyk to new extraverted-autogynephilia Nyk.

Paraphrased, but:

No, a real vagina is a real vagina you deliberately thickheaded pervert.

They love doing this condescending stuff. "Those silly women and their magical beliefs!" He used the term "creepy vagina cult" (LOL) in one of these videos too, might be the same one. Notice how he's framing the totally reasonable view that a vagina is actually a functioning sex organ and a flayed penis isn't the same as incredibly petty gatekeeping bordering on neurotic, as if the only thing preventing him from being a woman is bitter witchy catladies obsessed with the sacred feminine. Meanwhile, there is nothing cultish at all about believing you have some kind of invisible ~womanhood~ despite being physically a man, no, not at all.

 

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Thank god the replies on this tweet are limited since now Olly no longer has Stephanie to defend him from bigots who want to keep men out of women-only spaces.

 

[ooooooooookie]

I'm going to bet on the islamophobia video being the most bland video yet, didn't he already make this video before with antisemitism?

But it would be hilarious if he did such a bad and boring take on it that it backfired and people interpreted the video as islamophobic.

 

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You're so right Olly, the only goal of radical feminism is to have a larger police force. Surely that's what women are working towards. Replies are full of women telling him how stupid he is. Maybe I shouldn't have told him to delete snl825 because I would've loved to see snl825 try to defend this one. "I can't know for sure of course, but I think what Olly was getting at here is that TERFs want police to check people's genitals at the restroom. No this isn't something he just made up, TERFs say this all the time trust me".

 

[Stupid Sexy Flanders]

I'm going to bet on the islamophobia video being the most bland video yet, didn't he already make this video before with antisemitism?

But it would be hilarious if he did such a bad and boring take on it that it backfired and people interpreted the video as islamophobic.

Isn't Olly doing a podcast with that troon who fetishizes wearing burkas and shit?

I hope he brings him into the video. That would be really really really fun. He needs to be exposed to a bigger SJW audience.

 

[fax machine]

Fat activists on Twitter were mad as hell about the Food video. Madder than this video, which was quite polite:

A Fat Woman's Thoughts on Philosophy Tube's Food Beauty Mind Video

There is a lot that is good in Philosophy Tube's latest video delving into subjectivity and body issues. However, she missed an important aspect of the discu...

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fatty displeased with Olly

The tweets that made the rounds were considerably more vicious, as is the Twitter way.

Spoiler: here's a taste

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I didn't post them at the time because I find most fat activism sensationally out of touch with reality, but it's a thing that happened, so it merits a note in this thread. The point is that people were mad at Philosophy Tube, and this time he couldn't slither out of their censure by claiming a fat soul. Gender is the only area in which an individual can claim oppression and be believed based solely on self-ID.

Anyway, the resentment burns on:

here

and here

Spoiler: it continues and this is not all of it

So I don't think his trans woman shield is unbreakable. He'll just take blows on other matters while polite society stays quiet about the elephant in the room.

Which is why we're here:

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He knows that Islamophobia is a minefield and doesn't want to get wrecked. Hence the (multiple sets of) script consultants. Guess he's terrified enough of cancellation to realize that a once-over from Alice won't suffice.

Bonus:

PT is a terrific recruitment officer for Kiwi Farms.

 

[Rekkington]

Fat activists on Twitter were mad as hell about the Food video. Madder than this video, which was quite polite:

The tweets that made the rounds were considerably more vicious, as is the Twitter way.

Spoiler: here's a taste

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I didn't post them at the time because I find most fat activism sensationally out of touch with reality, but it's a thing that happened, so it merits a note in this thread. The point is that people were mad at Philosophy Tube, and this time he couldn't slither out of their censure by claiming a fat soul. Gender is the only area in which an individual can claim oppression and be believed based solely on self-ID.

Anyway, the resentment burns on:

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Spoiler: it continues and this is not all of it

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So I don't think his trans woman shield is unbreakable. He'll just take blows on other matters while polite society stays quiet about the elephant in the room.

Which is why we're here:
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He knows that Islamophobia is a minefield and doesn't want to get wrecked. Hence the (multiple sets of) script consultants. Guess he's terrified enough of cancellation to realize that a once-over from Alice won't suffice.

Bonus:
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PT is a terrific recruitment officer for Kiwi Farms.

Look we all know what happens when fat people get invited to a table.

 

[narcissistic injury]

hmmmm what is this now? Renamed? Or a new YouTube burner. I am not YouTube savvy
steff Len with same little pic as snl….. what?

 

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hmmmm what is this now? Renamed? Or a new YouTube burner. I am not YouTube savvy
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I'm pretty sure it's someone parodying the alt accounts. They replied to Stephanie L earlier saying that they were an embarrassment to trans people.
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Seems to me like they're a troon that reads here and then renamed an old Youtube account to tell Olly off for being unhinged. In their comment on the Food livestream, the timestamp steff Len includes is from when Olly started typing during his livestream right before snl825 posted a comment (pretty sure it's the same timestamp I put in my write-up on it), and the rest of the comment is the text from the tweet that snl825 posted at that time.

 

[narcissistic injury]

UK Equalities Minister Goes on Anti-LGBTQ Rant in Leaked Audio - VICE

“what are transsexuals looking for?”

I think she’s also been tuning in to tube Powah from the sounds of it

 

[admiral]

UK Equalities Minister Goes on Anti-LGBTQ Rant in Leaked Audio - VICE

“what are transsexuals looking for?”

I think she’s also been tuning in to tube Powah from the sounds of it

She's also in trouble for dismissing the history of Colonialism by the British Empire ('I don't care about colonialism') and saying that loud black people who complain about racism and colonialism are making the rest of them look bad.

Surprisingly based, for a tory. We'll just have to see how to party reacts.

 

[Clem Fandango]

She's also in trouble for dismissing the history of Colonialism by the British Empire ('I don't care about colonialism') and saying that loud black people who complain about racism and colonialism are making the rest of them look bad.

Surprisingly based, for a tory. We'll just have to see how to party reacts.

This, coupled with Starmer being forced into picking a side in the great troon war and apparently picking "actual women" makes me think tranny monopolization of LGBT issues is coming to an end in the UK.

Don't get me wrong, the whole "TERF Island" schtick is hysterical nonsense, but at least it seems acceptable to go on Question Time and say "yes, I don't think trans identified males should be in women's shelters/prisons/sports/bathrooms" without getting cancelled. Now we just need some updates to the law to really spell it out - Trans women are NOT women.

Lol trannies on suicide watch (as if they were ever off it)

 

[Rose_of_Troon]

i fucking hate this hypermoralist notion that only fat people are allowed to talk about fatphobia, only black people are allowed to talk about racism, only trannies are entitled to an opinion about transphobia and so on.. how did we get here?
Also to all the fatties lurking here: I’m sure you all like your cake and eat it too. God knows I do.
Why does the left glorify victimhood like it’s a fucking badge of honour. It’s gross.

 

[Dr George Whitebread]

This, coupled with Starmer being forced into picking a side in the great troon war and apparently picking "actual women" makes me think tranny monopolization of LGBT issues is coming to an end in the UK.

You'd be surprised. There's enough people fighting back for the time being but you basically have an army of permanently online Troons vs internet-retarded grandmas. One side slowly garners more sympathy than the others. Though ironically there's been a few transgender people in the UK who legit saw PTube transition and just raised up their arms going "Okay it's gone too far now" which is the thing that gives me hope.

Also trannies co-opting the "Women Won't Weesht" thing in Scotland where a woman is literally on trial to go to jail for tweets and they're all like "yes totalitarianism good because this old lady said I didn't have a feminine penis".

 

[AfghanBlue]

i fucking hate this hypermoralist notion that only fat people are allowed to talk about fatphobia, only black people are allowed to talk about racism, only trannies are entitled to an opinion about transphobia and so on.. how did we get here?
Also to all the fatties lurking here: I’m sure you all like your cake and eat it too. God knows I do.
Why does the left glorify victimhood like it’s a fucking batch of honour. It’s gross.

the difference is, its like..if i made a video about racism, then pretended to actually be totes effected by anti-black racism in my own little way, despite being white.
Becasue ollie cant resist centering himself in any narrative, and slathering some hammy abuot-to-cry acting on top of it.

If you're going to take a very personal approach to a topic, it would really be worthwhile getting someone onboard who actually has experienced the issue.

its fine to talk about things but if you're going bin off actual academic rigour, research and distance (because its too much work) and replace it with a do-a-nearly-cry in every video about how much YOU suffer by each topic at play...you really need to actually have some 'skin in the game' to quote our pal SNL825.

 

[narcissistic injury]

You'd be surprised. There's enough people fighting back for the time being but you basically have an army of permanently online Troons vs internet-retarded grandmas. One side slowly garners more sympathy than the others. Though ironically there's been a few transgender people in the UK who legit saw PTube transition and just raised up their arms going "Okay it's gone too far now" which is the thing that gives me hope.

Also trannies co-opting the "Women Won't Weesht" thing in Scotland where a woman is literally on trial to go to jail for tweets and they're all like "yes totalitarianism good because this old lady said I didn't have a feminine penis".

What/who are you referring to here?

 

[Dr George Whitebread]

What/who are you referring to here?

A few pages back there was a video of PTube speaking at a transgender rally, a fair few comments got deleted all from self-proclaimed trans people who were like "the fuck is he doing", there were more but they've since been pruned.

It's not exactly hundreds but it's enough to make me have some sort of hope.

 

[fax machine]

@AliceAvizandum, our favorite Muslim podcastress, retweeted this (archive):

Which leads into this thread:

Simone!, dear, the reason why "elders" don't give a shit about your identity fuckery is because they're old as the hills and too well established in their lives to wrestle in the mud with kids. They've had their lovers, settled down with their partners, made families, suffered tragedies, and endured. The game of life is mostly behind them. You're a dark speck in the distance. They don't care because nothing you do will touch them at this stage. The only elder gays who are still obligated to have an opinion on you are the Judith Butlers and Andrew Sullivans, the ones who stupidly chose to make a living in public discourse, and there's evidently a diversity of attitudes within that class (as well as social, professional, and financial motivations to join the new regime unless you have the clout to make Substack money). The others — the normies — are happy to gossip about people their own age. God bless them. They've seen some shit. They deserve a little peace and quiet.

Of course it's different for young gay people who still have their whole lives hanging in the balance. How are lesbians supposed to find each other when lesbian bars are dying and online spaces are overrun by males who can't take no for an answer? What will happen to a generation of butches and twinks who've been encouraged to hate their bodies and medicate with cross-sex hormones? I support bodily autonomy and good old-fashioned American individualism, but come on. Trends have consequences. People are social, suggestible creatures. Do not fucking pretend that words don't matter while crying about anyone who suggests that trans women aren't literally, biologically female.

Anyway, hat off. This is Alice:

So his rejection of words meaning things is in character. But you knew that already from the amazingly half-assed Muslim woman bit.

It's interesting that one of PT's most prominent friends is explicitly taking shots at Contra. So far PT's official channels have only subtweeted about how sad it is that some trans women hate themselves. I generally think Contra is Too Big to Cancel (Again), but I wonder if PT might quietly support his friends trying to do it. There's a lot of bitterness festering in those subtweets. Seeing Contra go down would be the ultimate schadenfreude, though I doubt he'd jump on a cancel train himself — there's too much overlap between their audiences.