Phenotypical sex - Mr Reddit has sectioned out morphology, so phenology in this context would mean development and behaviour. You can modify the development of a person through hormone blockers and artificial hormones, but you can't switch it to the development of someone of the opposite sex. As for behaviour, and I guess secondary phenotype, sure someone can grow their hair out, sling on heels and a dress, and behave in a way they understand a woman behaves. I don't think anyone ever questioned that.
Endocrinological sex - Yes, HRT exists. You can flood someone with chemicals that block testosterone production or add in a bunch of hormones. You're not changing the endocrinological sex, though, because without this medical intervention the body would revert to normal endocrinology until it becomes too damaged to do so. This is like saying a man with a low testosterone disorder has a different endocrinological sex. Certainly trans women do not have the cyclical hormones associated with pre-menopausal women (ever heard of a trans women taking FSH?).
Morphological sex - Morphology is the physical structure of an organism. They've separated out gonads and genitals, so in the purest sense I guess this means skeletal structure, larynx, fat deposition and boobs. Testosterone can indeed permanently alter the larynx resulting in a permanently deepened voice and permanently alter hair follicles to make vellus hair into terminal hair. This can also happen to women with an endocrinological disorder like PCOS, who are not said to have a different sex. HRT both ways will also impact fat deposition, and yeah I guess you could include boob jobs/mastectomy (although a woman who's had a mastectomy isn't considered to have changed her "morphological sex") and fillers/hacking off bits of bone from the face. This would essentially be classed as morphology in the context of healthcare and surgical outcomes, but not really in a biological context.
Genital sex - You can do a chop shop, but you can't actually change a vagina into a penis or a penis into a vagina. Someone who loses their genitals in an accident would not be said to have changed their genital sex, they're just injured. I guess they're including testosterone induced megaclitoris, but that's still not a penis and can also just happen to women who get e.g. adrenal cancer.
Chromosomal sex - A bone marrow transplant does not modify chromosomal sex, it creates a transgenic mosaic. Even without a bone marrow transplant, cells may exhibit e.g. mosaic aneuploidy anyway. Not every cell in your body is guaranteed to have both of your sex chromosomes but that does not mean you have a different chromosomal sex. You can't change chromosomal sex (no not even with CRISPR, that's not how CRISPR works).
Gondal sex - Gonads are organs that produce gametes. You cannot change ovaries into testes or vice versa, so no you cannot modify gonadal sex, you can only remove the gonads. A woman who's had a oophorectomy has not changed her gonadal sex, she just doesn't have gonads anymore.
Neurological sex - There does appear to be some sexual differentiation between male brains and female brains, typically relating to the size-adjusted volume of some brain regions and the density distributions of grey matter. There also have been a couple of studies that suggest some trans people may have some brain structures more typical of the opposite sex. However, just like they like to say "how do you know what chromosomes you have? have you checked?" they have no guarantee that their brain is one that exhibits . Ironically neurological sex would be the main example of an area that is not binary but bimodal, as there is a spectrum between "male brain structure" and "female brain structure" with a lot of overlap (and most of the structures do not exhibit variance besides overall size, which is not correlated to function).
So to summarise: yes, you can modify how act and dress and then take some hormones before getting your genitals hacked up or some plastic surgery. This is not really telling us anything new, you're just claiming these things are "sex", which they are not.
oliver is a pseud and an enormous manhon buffalo bill freak what else is new
he looks like some fat middle aged guy doing a drag bit of aunt petunia from harry potter on a dollar store budget
imagine how much of a creep you have to be for hontra to think youre a creep lol
do you think fat little oliver lennard patrols this board? greasy sausage fingers pounding away at the keyboard as he defends himself from all the hilarious and accurate MS paint drawings from behind an anonymous account
Neurological sex - There does appear to be some sexual differentiation between male brains and female brains, typically relating to the size-adjusted volume of some brain regions and the density distributions of grey matter. There also have been a couple of studies that suggest some trans people may have some brain structures more typical of the opposite sex.
Funnily enough, if we're talking about brain differences, a test where you could get a CAT scan and have it spit out male or female is most troons worst nightmare.
Imagine: you're a man but claim you're a woman. Ok, let's just pop you in the machine *beep boop*. Aw, sorry it says you have man-brain. That means you're not a real transgender and so no you can't change your sex on your passport/driving licence.
Most troons know deep down that they are charlatans and would never consent to this test or standard. They'd actually argue against it, and call it "gatekeeping".
Living in a nondescript European country and seeing woke culture and its adjacents, including the Trans Question, slip into the mainstream over the years whilst keeping up with KF sleuthing is rather disconcerting. It's American Puritanism given a new coat of paint, European Countries (UK excluded) should reject it based on that characteristic alone.
You bring some of the more public incidents up and they're dumbfounded it exists at all. It's to be expected, but the lack of reporting on progressive paroxysms in favour of stemming the tide of far-right electoral success has me up the wall. Progressives are never truly rejected by the mainstream, their worldview remains the road forward and since they have no party to truly call their own (aside from some inept Greens) they're not as affected when elections go tits-up. Progressives can't be brought to heel the same way the Far Right can, they're too splintered. The only way to cause any kind of damage is journalism and swaying public opinion, neither of which is an option atm. I'm frustrated society is being led down a path it barely understands, especially when most critics don't know what they're talking about and retain milquetoast dispositions and most representatives of the Great Leap obfuscate matters.
As for Tubah, I'm sorely tempted to make a compilation album of his greatest hits and present it to the local Trans org. He fascinates me, in the same vein an ongoing trainwreck does. When I consume his content, I don't see an individual, not even a facade, just a hollowness where a personality should be. His upcoming video on Islamophobia should be amusing, do you think he'll mention the currently ongoing court case of the Bataclan attack? The French are treating it like the trial of the century over there. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-58486391
I haven't really dug into this account yet but there are a thousand tweets, most from about a decade ago with no likes or retweets- most seem to be about Glee and Adam Lambert? It's fucking bizarre.
The new snl89 account doesnt follow philosophy tube - very strange that they suddenly burst into life to defend the indefensible on Ollys behalf.
Destiny was saying the exact same thing about PT larping as a poor person at the start of the pandemic - why is he bringing up again now? There is a youtube vid of Destiny having an argument with Vausch about how shit PTs takes are and how nothing would be lost if all his videos were deleted - its pretty cathartic lol. Maybe its been linked already in this thread but its down below. Destiny is based in some ways but cant understand the lunacy of troonacy?
Seems like snl825 has moved to snl89, an account that hasn't really been active since 2015. Starting on September 22nd, 2021 they've been defending Olly and fighting with TERFs in comments sections. I haven't really dug into this account yet but there are a thousand tweets, most from about a decade ago with no likes or retweets- most seem to be about Glee and Adam Lambert? It's fucking bizarre. View attachment 2579573View attachment 2579577 View attachment 2579574View attachment 2579575View attachment 2579587View attachment 2579588
I have so many more questions now. Why would someone make an alt account to defend Olly when their main account hasn't been active in so long and has so few followers? Why did they delete their alt and go back to their main? Why start posting on twitter again just to defend Olly? Why is there still no evidence that this is a real person with a real life? What the fuck?
If this is an actual person it's just so deranged. It's so hard to imagine someone being this insane, to patrol Olly's comments sections practically every day? Defend him for 9 hours straight from TERFs? Make another twitter account just to white knight for him? Tell everyone it's ok he made a "twansphobic" joke because he's about to come out as trans???
so so so weird to have not only your picture, but like.. you name- but just your name- no wit or nickname or whatever but for an account that’s only for this. it’s sus and lazy af
That quote, rereading it, makes it sound like Ollie just straight up doesn't need to transition. If he's so happy, why is he putting on a false persona?
That quote, rereading it, makes it sound like Ollie just straight up doesn't need to transition. If he's so happy, why is he putting on a false persona?
For the clout and the cash, duh he saw how it was going for Nyk after his transition (from incel to SoMe darling), he decided to hop on the troon train, himself
That quote, rereading it, makes it sound like Ollie just straight up doesn't need to transition. If he's so happy, why is he putting on a false persona?
I think he meant it like "now that I'm "living my life as a woman" I feel happy, and that's all that really matters". To be fair I find that more respectable than some magical thinking "I feel like a woman" nonsense. If "trans women" just admitted that they were males that want to present as their idea of a woman and "live their lives as a stereotypical woman" I wouldn't really take much issue with them. It would still be somewhat sexist but it wouldn't be the disaster that the current trans movement is.
ETA: Archive of the video @Tombigbee linked
I have obtained the dox on SNL: she is a 30-something woman called Stephanie who has Turner syndrome and lives in New York. Professional and personal biographical details from her Twitter and YouTube accounts match up and I've seen pictures of her from as early as 2008 on her Facebook page.
I will not be posting dox here as I don't think it's right for an innocent, possibly quite vulnerable woman to have her name, face and personal details plastered all over Kiwi Farms. SNL has nothing to do with PT other than being a very obsessive fan, something which is possibly related to her having Turner syndrome. I hope that she can take some time off from her obsession and find a healthier outlet.
I've sent the dox to @esmeggs, who can vouch for me.
I have obtained the dox on SNL: she is a 30-something woman called Stephanie who has Turner syndrome and lives in New York. Professional and personal biographical details from her Twitter and YouTube accounts match up and I've seen pictures of her from as early as 2008 on her Facebook page.
I will not be posting dox here as I don't think it's right for an innocent, possibly quite vulnerable woman to have her name, face and personal details plastered all over Kiwi Farms. SNL has nothing to do with PT other than being a very obsessive fan, something which is possibly related to her having Turner syndrome. I hope that she can take some time off from her obsession and find a healthier outlet.
I've sent the dox to @esmeggs, who can vouch for me.
I can confirm that Stephanie is a real person and @Real Gay Autist has shared her dox with me. I know it's lame but giving her privacy is more important than convincing anyone that snl825/snl89/Stephanie L. aren't Olly's sock accounts. This is possibly the funniest outcome, that there really is someone out there that is this enamored with Olly. I didn't want to believe that people like this actually exist, and it's still hard for me to wrap my head around, but looks like all the circumstantial evidence was just that. Ockham's really failed me after all.
She does have a history of obsessive behavior, which is now fixated on Olly for whatever reason. You can check out her tumblr blog if you are curious as to what type of person would become this obsessed over someone who makes Philosophy videos on Youtube. Coming across her tumblr yesterday was what made me accept that this could be a real person, @Real Gay Autist was able to prove it. Huge thanks to them for the work they've put in on this
I think he meant it like "now that I'm "living my life as a woman" I feel happy, and that's all that really matters". To be fair I find that more respectable than some magical thinking "I feel like a woman" nonsense. If "trans women" just admitted that they were males that want to present as their idea of a woman and "live their lives as a stereotypical woman" I wouldn't really take much issue with them. It would still be somewhat sexist but it wouldn't be the disaster that the current trans movement is.
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I agree and disagree. The disagreement comes from the fact that Ollie craves the "validation", as in he wants people to give him nothing but unconditional love and support for his character of Abigail. Some trans women don't want that, even if people think they're delusional or not.
How does he think PT think he’s owning this guy? Does he think the fact one of the very few NHS gender identity clinics in the country can’t see thousands of new referrals each month within a set time period (when the entire system is crippled due to the pandemic on top of decades of budget cuts) is just this one man’s personal moral failing?
People have died of cancer because they couldn’t even see their GP. People have been unable to access surgery, checkups and admin for LIFE-THREATENING conditions. This is not this one man being a dick, this is a systemic failure. Why isn’t Olly calling the people who are actually responsible out? Because he has no fucking idea or interest in what everyday people are going through. He doesn’t care about the issues or the causes, he cares about himself and his image only.
The other day I was in A&E and a man ran in desperate because he found a woman unconscious on the road and no one was answering 999. A woman next to me screaming with kidney stones was told it would be an 8 hour wait to even see a nurse. The waiting times are not a hate crime against trans people ffs. Everyone who needs medical care is suffering, and almost all of them need it more than PT.
TL;DR: Fuck off, Olly. You have no right talking about the NHS when you have clearly never needed it, know nothing about it, don’t use your platform to try and HELP it and definitely survive off your mummy and daddy’s private insurance.
How does he think PT think he’s owning this guy? Does he think the fact one of the very few NHS gender identity clinics in the country can’t see thousands of new referrals each month within a set time period (when the entire system is crippled due to the pandemic on top of decades of budget cuts) is just this one man’s personal moral failing?
People have died of cancer because they couldn’t even see their GP. People have been unable to access surgery, checkups and admin for LIFE-THREATENING conditions. This is not this one man being a dick, this is a systemic failure. Why isn’t Olly calling the people who are actually responsible out? Because he has no fucking idea or interest in what everyday people are going through. He doesn’t care about the issues or the causes, he cares about himself and his image only.
The other day I was in A&E and a man ran in desperate because he found a woman unconscious on the road and no one was answering 999. A woman next to me screaming with kidney stones was told it would be an 8 hour wait to even see a nurse. The waiting times are not a hate crime against trans people ffs. Everyone who needs medical care is suffering, and almost all of them need it more than PT.
TL;DR: Fuck off, Olly. You have no right talking about the NHS when you have clearly never needed it, know nothing about it, don’t use your platform to try and HELP it and definitely survive off your mummy and daddy’s private insurance.
Ollie and all troons on the waiting lists should be absolutely ashamed of themselves. Wasting valuable time and medical resources during a global pandemic over social contagion and vanity surgeries. Having to wait a decade or more is the least you deserve for pulling this selfish bullshit.
Besides, PT is a Little Lord Fauntleroy rich boy. He can pay for his cock chop privately. But no, he must have an engineered cause to martyr himself for. Muh "segregated healthcare". Anything less than GPs performing vaginoplasties in their offices 10 minutes into an appointment is barbaric oppression!!
Even if this premise wasn’t insane, (which, to be clear, it is), wouldn’t you think he’d be embarrassed to bitch about it over and over and over?
In his last livestream he dissolved into (phony) maniacal guffaws because a “terf” criticized his advocacy for allowing transwomen in battered women shelters. He said, “just log off, my God…”
Well I think he should take his own advice and maybe gain some clarity on what is truly difficult or truly “insulting.”
One of the reasons I follow the goings-on of Olly is because it’s incredible to see just how full of shit one person can be. It’s literally breathtaking.
Why did I, a failed trans person who is so clockable I won't go near a dress, registering on KW just so I can get on this thread? Well that's my entire intro. I'm clockable and I think it's lame looking like a dude in a dress so I never bothered transitioning. Shoot me.
And that is why I came to this damn thread. I don't think I've ever been more angry about someone's transition. Which is stupid. I don't want to fuck Olly. But dear god do they look ridiculous. I think the worst part is they transitioned behind the scenes but it was clearly happening.
Like, we as the audience had no fucking say in whether we wanted to continue on this path with them. Nope, one day it was muscles and mustache and next week it's tits and this voice that could shatter glass.
I was a fan of Philosophy Tube, I was a fan of Oliver Thorn, the character. I'm thrilled Abby is living her best life, whatevs. I just can't stand to watch or listen to a single word they say. Someone who arguably could've gone beyond youtube and had a real world career turned their dick inside out and looks like John Lithgow in the World According to Garp. Fuck me.
Besides, PT is a Little Lord Fauntleroy rich boy. He can pay for his cock chop privately. But no, he must have an engineered cause to martyr himself for. Muh "segregated healthcare". Anything less than GPs performing vaginoplasties in their offices 10 minutes into an appointment is barbaric oppression!!
It makes me wonder if he will chicken out once the waiting's done and it's time to get a plasticvagoo.
I'm sure by then we'll have a "actually, trans women don't need to transition!"-video.
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Holy fuck. "Why should women with literal medical conditions that can be tested for and checked empirically get HRT and not Femboi420 on Discord who likes pink and blue flags?"
Ollie Thorn doesn't even know what menopause is how the fuck am I supposed to take him seriously when he pretends to be a woman?
he saw how it was going for Nyk after his transition (from incel to SoMe darling), he decided to hop on the troon train, himself
