Most things about her seem like they'd be hard to explain to an employer. Don't forget, during the four year time which she was doing the nanny job (which just ended like two weeks ago, for those who didn't read her Tranch thread intro):
- claims to have been on a psych hold/institutionalized, I think she said for a month
- claims to have frequent seizures
-claims to have periodic bouts of blindness, deafness, and needing a wheelchair; even just a wheelchair would seemingly make her a bad fit for caring for two <4y/o children
- claims to have been BREASTFEEDING these children, who would assumedly then get the effects of the boatload of medication she should be on for how many conditions she claims
This was very informative. Thank you! So, just to be clear, the primary excuse I was given as to why Kindess can't have a comorbidity of BPD and bipolar is because she's stable enough to hold down a totally not-made-up job chestfeeding two four year olds with her (presumably) testosterone shrunken tube socks. Sounds legit.
This is
correct. A real manic episode will get you listed somewhere. A lot of people think manic means like euphoric only. A lot of mania is extreme and excessive anger. This lady some fake attention seeker. What really gets me is the fact these people want these ailments. Like somehow having a debilitating illness, in their head, means they have a better life.
Or maybe she’s just fucked up so many times that now she has to larp a bunch of shit.
There is no Schindler's List of mentally ill people. She's not listed anywhere even if she has been given a bipolar diagnosis; it'll just be in her medical records, which is the only way any of us will have proof of what a professional considers her problems to be. The fact there is no existing data-base of the mentally ill is the reason gun control legislation to keep guns away from the mentally ill flounders.
Are you sure that you're not confusing the DSM-5 diagnostic criteria for BPD and bipolar?
Bipolar does not require anger management issues. It's got a much lower entry bar of 'irritability and restlessness' as opposed to the DSM-5 criteria for BPD, which requires:
NiH's DSM-5 criteria for BPD
- Frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment. Note: Do not include suicidal or self-mutilating behaviour covered in criterion 5.
- A pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships characterized by alternating between extremes of idealization and devaluation.
- Identity disturbance: markedly and persistently unstable self-image or sense of self.
- Impulsivity in at least 2 areas that are potentially self-damaging (e.g., spending, sex, substance abuse, reckless driving, binge eating). Note: Do not include suicidal or self-mutilating behaviour covered in criterion 5.
- Recurrent suicidal behaviour, gestures or threats, or self-mutilating behaviour.
- Affective instability due to a marked reactivity of mood (e.g., intense episodic dysphoria, irritability or anxiety usually lasting a few hours and only rarely more than a few days).
- Chronic feelings of emptiness.
- Inappropriate, intense anger or difficulty controlling anger (e.g., frequent displays of temper, constant anger, recurrent physical fights).
- Transient, stress-related paranoid ideation or severe dissociative symptoms.
If she's not 'irritable enough' to be bipolar then you're scuttling your 'rage fits and irritability' criteria for BPD. This is part of why I suggest she has a comorbidity that's complicating pure presentation of either/both conditions.
Oh, she totally could. But she hasn't shown the downtime of Bipolar yet and she has claimed everything from Autism to blindness. Hypersexuality is also big for BPD since it gets them perceived approval even though they feel empty after it.
When she shows a 2+ week crash, I'll agree. Mania without a crash is less likely in bipolar people and more likely in others
diseases.
Don't forget paranoia and anxiety! While there are different kinds of manic episodes, even those with little anger, DickDown ain't wrong. It is much more likely to find someone easily agitated in a state like that.
Bless you for arguing based on the DSM-5 diagnostic criteria rather than 'whatever opinion I pulled out of my ass' or 'some thing the cow themselves said which is absolutely not a fabrication by a pathological liar.' If the alleged bipolar diagnosis in the OP is a lie then her 'nanny job' is also a lie, statistically speaking.
If she's a classic bipolar she's likely to cycle, but the window can be anywhere from 1 week to 2 months (as you likely already know if you've brushed up on bipolar). So she could be mid-cycle and we'll have to wait to see the crash. I will point out that if she's an atypical bipolar there won't be a rest period, so even looking for that can be dicey. Paranoia and anxiety are also BPD symptoms, so if she has a comorbidity you'd get those either way.
Atypical Bipolar vs Classic Bipolar (a medical white paper). Quoted below is text from the body of the paper.
Atypical bipolar is marked by mixed states, rapid cycling, and a lack of full recovery between episodes. These patients are more responsive to anticonvulsants and atypical antipsychotics, but lithium should not be ruled out as it may work for them as well. 4,5
The atypical and classic forms have opposite features (see Table). 6,7,8 The atypical form is often missed in practice but-ironically- it is more common than the textbook case of classic bipolar. Even Emil Kraepelin, who wrote the original textbook on manic depression, noted the high frequency of these atypical forms and complained that his colleagues were more interested in “pure forms” of the illness. 8
Atypical bipolar is often missed because its mixed features obscure the core symptoms of hypo/mania. Even when manic symptoms are endorsed, they are often explained away by the comorbidities, such as impulsivity from addictions or borderline personality; hyperactivity from ADHD; racing thoughts from anxiety; or irritability from PTSD.
The article recommends measuring the patient against the
Bipolarity Index, taking family history into account (bipolar is genetic, and has gene-markers that tie to epilepsy, which may be why anti-seizure medications are the most effective treatment) and notes that:
The signs of atypical bipolar are captured on the scale as well, but they are awarded less points. And that’s how it should be: diagnosis is always less certain when there’s something unusual in the presentation.
I will add in closing that people who suffer from atypical bipolar
often bathe while clothed and will compulsively pour water. Kindness seems to make a lot of her crazy videos while soaking in water. That 'diagnosis is always less certain when there's something unusual in the presentation' applies to the lack of rage-fits she should exhibit if she's BPD, too.
Like many other Kiwis I understand the futility of going against the prevailing narrative of any given thread, but I also feel that I'm entitled to make my arguments and eat any neg-rates I get. I've cited legitimate medical papers to make my case and tried to be as polite and impartial as possible. I'm really not trying to pick a fight; Kindness intrigues me because she's such a grab-bag of symptoms, all of which are difficult to discern from her made-up bullshit.
I came back because
@AMHOLIO brought up the DSM-5 criteria and all I wanted originally was to see if anyone else was watching to see if she cycles or even knew what to look for cycle-wise. Plus there's other fun alternatives if bipolar can be crossed off the list, like she's BPD and psychotic, or in the beginning stages of some flavor of schizophrenia.
Thanks for attending my TedTalks!
Edit: LOL. I just saw she went from 200 posts a day to 10. If it lasts then there's your crash.
