US Joe Biden News Megathread - The Other Biden Derangement Syndrome Thread (with a side order of Fauci Derangement Syndrome)

Let's pretend for one moment that he does die before the election, just for the funsies. What happens then? Will the nomination revert to option number 2, aka Bernie Sanders? Or will his running mate automatically replace him just the way Vice-President is supposted to step in after the Big Man in the White House chokes on a piece of matzo? Does he even have a running mate yet?

 

[Gehenna]

So the question is

Was Biden planning on doing an attack against them to "prove" he wasn't compromised?

Or was Pelosi drunk-dialing her handlers from the CCP telling them that the mean old orange man was about to nuke the shit out of them out of the blue?

We do have a grab bag of possibilities, but my money is on Pelosi. Her trying to get at the nuclear codes is suspect as shit.

Credit to him, I guess… Doesn’t change the idiotic bullshit he’s been pushing.

It... might. It proves he's not a true blue ideologue for the dems. I'd be entirely speculating for it, but he might be basically required to peddle it to keep his job. How much of that is to maintain a front versus sincere belief, I don't know.

My man, is there even enough coffee in Wisconsin for you to ride this storyline out? You must be exausted.

Largely I am just observing, my actual dayjob right now is pretty boring. The worst we had to deal with is a guy posting his dick picks to snapchat then linking said snapchat to his business contacts. If anything, this is a pleasant diversion from the boredom.

 

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We do have a grab bag of possibilities, but my money is on Pelosi. Her trying to get at the nuclear codes is suspect as shit.

Would she be trying to get them to prevent Trump from attacking, or get them to DO an attack for some fucked up reason?

I mean, if we were currently in a hot war with China all DNC sins about the election would be forgiven, and that pork bill would have already been passed -- and we'd be looking at the next 8 trillion dollar one already being drafted. Basically the George Bush 9/11 playbook, only this time it's the other side of the Uniparty doing it.

 

[Oxous]

Not sure if it was mentioned in the past but Texas is auditing 4 counties. Dallas, Harris, Tarrant and Collins Counties. It began last week and they've divided it into a couple phases:

Phase 1, which is ongoing, has them working on voter machines, double-checking their cybersecurity and purging anyone who cast votes illegally from the polls. Any reported cases of illegal voting will be kicked over to the Texas AG's office. Phase 2 is scheduled to begin next spring and they'll examine election records, chain-of-custody forms for equipment, and logic/accuracy testing records for the machines. Depending on the results of the audit there may be a full manual recount.

 

[Gehenna]

Would she be trying to get them to prevent Trump from attacking, or get them to DO an attack for some fucked up reason?

I mean, if we were currently in a hot war with China all DNC sins about the election would be forgiven, and that pork bill would have already been passed -- and we'd be looking at the next 8 trillion dollar one already being drafted. Basically the George Bush 9/11 playbook, only this time it's the other side of the Uniparty doing it.

Her having the codes wouldn't take them from Trump. So... make of that what you will.

 

[Absolutego]

Would she be trying to get them to prevent Trump from attacking, or get them to DO an attack for some fucked up reason?

I mean, if we were currently in a hot war with China all DNC sins about the election would be forgiven, and that pork bill would have already been passed -- and we'd be looking at the next 8 trillion dollar one already being drafted. Basically the George Bush 9/11 playbook, only this time it's the other side of the Uniparty doing it.

She kinda snapped after someone shat on her desk on 1/6 and was in full IMPEACH ORANGE MAN mode, perhaps she wanted the nuclear codes given to her as some kind of military stamp of approval that Trump couldn't be trusted?
Saying "this man has gone far enough that even our general staff don't trust him with the football" would probably sway more than a few of the moderate Republicans towards impeaching him.

 

[Gehenna]

She kinda snapped after someone shat on her desk on 1/6 and was in full IMPEACH ORANGE MAN mode, perhaps she wanted the nuclear codes given to her as some kind of military stamp of approval that Trump couldn't be trusted?
Saying "this man has gone far enough that even our general staff don't trust him with the football" would probably sway more than a few of the moderate Republicans towards impeaching him.

Here's the thing, there isn't only one copy of the codes. Trump would still have his, she'd have hers. All it would do would be to put first-strike capability in two people's hands... it wouldn't stop Trump nuking anything. This was one of the dangling threads for why the old narrative for Milley didn't quite fit.

Pelosi would only need them if she felt Trump wouldn't respond to an attack, or he wouldn't initiate an attack. That's it for 'legitimate' reasons. Neither fits. The only thing that really fits would be "Pelosi wanted to nuke something, then blame Trump".

 

[LurkTrawl]

Hell, look at Jewish political representation as the ultimate embarrassment. Schumer is literally a stereotypical depiction of a whiny conniving New York Jew, and there's not a single prominent Jewish politician I can think of who isn't entirely repulsive.

Like, no shit Schumer looks even more like a *hands rubbing* stereotype than the literal fucking hand-rubbing stereotype meme guy.

 

[northstar747]

Plus he'll know this time that everyone is out to get him and have a real hankering for revenge.

They want to be able to afford anything. It's a massive pile of pork designed to pay off their absolutely crippling debt after they put everything on credit.

Do you have any insight into how these arrangements work?

Does the DNC have quit back room deals and tell the boots on the groun people "do X and you ll get Y"

Is "Y" very specific or just a "you ll get something"

And whats the fallout of not delivering? there is no proper redress of failing to steal an election.

And finally cant the party just sit down and tell all their "creditors" that they are not able to "PAY ALL AT ONCE" and instead spread it out.

 

[Absolutego]

Here's the thing, there isn't only one copy of the codes. Trump would still have his, she'd have hers. All it would do would be to put first-strike capability in two people's hands... it wouldn't stop Trump nuking anything. This was one of the dangling threads for why the old narrative for Milley didn't quite fit.

Pelosi would only need them if she felt Trump wouldn't respond to an attack, or he wouldn't initiate an attack. That's it for 'legitimate' reasons. Neither fits. The only thing that really fits would be "Pelosi wanted to nuke something, then blame Trump".

Strange. Obviously I'm on the outside looking in, but I just can't fathom what kind of strategic benefit she'd get from that. Trying to false flag a Trump nuclear attack would almost certainly get out, and it's not like any faction of the Democrats are posturing for war now that they do hold the football. If she wanted a war with China or some other power, she and the rest of the party could attempt it.

 

[Collections Agent]

Strange. Obviously I'm on the outside looking in, but I just can't fathom what kind of strategic benefit she'd get from that. Trying to false flag a Trump nuclear attack would almost certainly get out, and it's not like any faction of the Democrats are posturing for war now that they do hold the football. If she wanted a war with China or some other power, she and the rest of the party could attempt it.

Alternatively, most Democrats are horribly incompetent and only are in office due to nepotism, so being 81 years old Nancy probably thought Trump had a big red button that said "LAUNCH YUGE NUKES BIGLY" and wanted to take it away from him

 

[LurkTrawl]

Here's the thing, there isn't only one copy of the codes. Trump would still have his, she'd have hers. All it would do would be to put first-strike capability in two people's hands... it wouldn't stop Trump nuking anything. This was one of the dangling threads for why the old narrative for Milley didn't quite fit.

Pelosi would only need them if she felt Trump wouldn't respond to an attack, or he wouldn't initiate an attack. That's it for 'legitimate' reasons. Neither fits. The only thing that really fits would be "Pelosi wanted to nuke something, then blame Trump".

Fire off nuke, blame Trump, WW3 ensues with Biden/DNC at the helm with wartime powers. Sounds like it'd be a good deal for them to me. It's not like they didn't spend four straight years painting Trump out to be the kind of guy who'd randomly nuke an enemy country.

 

[Absolutego]

Alternatively, most Democrats are horribly incompetent and only are in office due to nepotism, so being 81 years old Nancy probably thought Trump had a big red button that said "LAUNCH YUGE NUKES BIGLY" and wanted to take it away from him

You know as 3rd in the line of succession she's fully briefed on how all that shit works, right? Plus her being a fossil who's been hobnobbing in DC for 40 some years now is a point against her thinking there's just a big ol' button she could take away from Don, not for it.

 

[verissimus]

I wasn't alive back then so someone else might be more enlightening on the subject. But the popular "lore" I get on occasion was him going from "read my lips; no new taxes" to raising taxes completely de-legitimized him to his base. Nobody likes a hypocrite.

Yeah, but that doesn't explain

1) Dubya's "there's weapons of mass destruction in Iraq" to finding no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and still winning the 2004 election or
2) Obama "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor" (also promised your premiums would go down as well) to a lot of people losing their plans or doctors and their premiums going up and still getting re-elected. He was also years before against gay marriage, but then pushed for it when President.

Point being, apparently the electorate isn't annoyed enough about broken promises for some reason any more.

 

[Gehenna]

Do you have any insight into how these arrangements work?

Does the DNC have quit back room deals and tell the boots on the groun people "do X and you ll get Y"

Is "Y" very specific or just a "you ll get something"

And whats the fallout of not delivering? there is no proper redress of failing to steal an election.

And finally cant the party just sit down and tell all their "creditors" that they are not able to "PAY ALL AT ONCE" and instead spread it out.

This'll be a lengthy post.

Right, when it comes to pork there are a few ways it works.

1: I scratch your back, you scratch mine. Straight up, X asks Y for Z. This is what a lot of the RINOs do rather directly.

2: Remember the thing I did? X does Z thing that benefited Y and built up Capital that Y will pay back now. Most common for Federal to State interactions.

3: Da Glorious Gibs. This is for more than just Democrats to their base. Basically, X gives out a bunch of money to various groups and causes that Y quite likes, and makes Y more likely to support X's operations. This is done for politicians to their various interest groups.


Now, all three can be done to any particular group, my examples are just where they commonly go and for whom. All are considered legitimate usages of a bill, so long as the golden rule is followed. "The corruption must always be less than the benefit". This unspoken rule is what makes the thin layer of corruption so useful in politics, nay even required for politics. Everyone gives everyone else just a little bit while the net gain for the voters is greater than the gifts. It builds up a lot of good will and favors to expend as Political Capital while never being so great as to be worth noting by the voter.

The Infrastructure Bill is a blatant violation of this unspoken rule.


But why it is is fairly obvious. They can't promise their creditors to pay them back bit by bit. They cannot guarantee they will be in power past the midterms, let alone later beyond that. All favors put on credit must be paid for in the two-year period between election cycles. It is why that thin veneer of corruption is required, to prevent anything ever being put on credit to avoid that massively tight time crunch.

As to the repercussions for failing to pay... well. You asked for those favors because you needed them. Next time you need them, you won't get them. Additionally, it's a matter of principle to support your opposition for a much lower cost to recoup the loss and to discourage defaulting on your debt.

 

[Takayuki Yagami]

Would she be trying to get them to prevent Trump from attacking, or get them to DO an attack for some fucked up reason?

I mean, if we were currently in a hot war with China all DNC sins about the election would be forgiven, and that pork bill would have already been passed -- and we'd be looking at the next 8 trillion dollar one already being drafted. Basically the George Bush 9/11 playbook, only this time it's the other side of the Uniparty doing it.

Might be some sort of play done out of fear of Biden’s mental state? Anyone that wasn’t some flavor of vote blue no matter who or low information voter knew early on that he wasn’t all there and getting worse. As the highest ranking Dem at the time she’d have an even better idea.

 

[Damocles_Sword]

Didn't pelosi make a public grab for the football as well? Fuck that pisses me off MORE. Milley should have come out about that shit WAAAAAAY before now. "Hey, pelosi's trying to circumvent the chain of command and using back channels to gain control of our nuclear arsenal." NOPE, his priority is telling the world that white people are the devil.

 

[Gehenna]

This Milley revelation is having a Domino effect in my head.

1: Milley was acting in a way that far more hurt Pelosi than trump.
2: Milley was the one floating mutiny during Afghanistan.
3: Milley refused to resign for Afghanistan, an action that prevented heat being taken off Biden.
4: Milley knows fuck all about woke topics despite claiming he knows them.


There is a pattern here....

 

[soy_king]

Like, no shit Schumer looks even more like a *hands rubbing* stereotype than the literal fucking hand-rubbing stereotype meme guy.

I think I have this weird Mandela effect thing where I saw an interview with Schumer in a diner where he's talking about how he always adds water to orange juice he orders so that way he'll have more orange juice. It was the most stereotypical thing I've ever heard and now I can't find the video.

 

[verissimus]

That... recontextualizes Milley's own action. His big 'fuck you' was ensuring that everyone knew the chain of command for launching nukes. The call with China is debatable, and really can be read as "You'll get an official declaration of war, not a surprise attack". Which is shitty but a far cry from pure treason under tumultuous circumstances.

But if we take this at face value, it means the big one could have been for more than Trump, ensuring nobody does something stupid. Including the democrats.

Addendum: Right, to expand. Milley is accused of two things.

1: Asserting himself as the middleman in between Trump and the Football.
2: Telling the Chinese he'd warn them if the nukes were to be dropped.


This hasn't sat well with me for a while, because it only made sense if Milley legitimately feared Trump launching nukes at China, which was farcical. But now consider a different light, you have an Admin coming in with clear ties to china, a Speaker seeking to gain the nuclear launch codes herself, a long and documented history of viewing Trump as the most evil thing ever, and a clearly fraudulent election to unseat him. So, what is a general to do in this situation?

1: Make sure he is a barrier to -anyone- misusing the codes.
2: Sooth over the most likely victim to prevent preemptive assault in case the other faction decides to play dirty.


Well... fuck. It fits. Also means I can't hate Milley as much, because legitimately it makes his actions the best thing he could have done in the situation.

Addendum 2: So, the above is based on the title alone, a consideration of implications, to be followed by in depth look. So what is in the article?

"General Mark Milley defended his calls with Chinese officials, which he says were to “cool down” tensions with his counterpart amid rumors of a forthcoming military attack, and discussed a phone call he had with Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), whom he suggested encouraged him to undermine the president’s ability to launch a nuclear attack."

Confirmation of 2.

"“Speaker of the House Pelosi called me to inquire about the president’s ability to launch nuclear weapons,” he confirmed. “I sought to assure her that nuclear launch is governed by a very specific and deliberate process. She was concerned and made various personal references characterizing the president. I explained to her the president is the sole nuclear launch authority and he doesn’t launch them alone and that I am not qualified to determine the mental health of the President of the United States.”"

Low key confirmation of 1.

Dude, don't fall for it. As I said before, the guy is becoming the new Comey. Screw him. He FUBARed Afghanistan, whines about crap like "white rage" either because he actually believes in that or because he wants to suck up to the Left, initially towed the line to cover Pelosi and Biden's asses, and now he wants to cover his own ass by throwing them under the bus. No, you get no sympathy anymore. He's as crooked as the lot of them and deserves to be flushed.

 

[Damocles_Sword]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMsPUb1i4xU Pelosi's doing a live thing and holy shit i've never seen her in motion before and it's triggering my fight or flight responses.