Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

[fistfulloffeathers]

spot the difference

 

[Tombigbee]

^He literally passes better in the below picture.

Also I had to look and see what the reaction to these pics was on Twitter. I thought maybe they’d be a little put off. But nope it was 100% “I’m gay now,” “hotness alert,” “perfection personified” type comments down the line. The Jim Jones cult aspect of following Olly also intrigues me. I can’t figure out these delusional freaks and what motivates them.

 

[AssignedEva]

^He literally passes better in the below picture.

Also I had to look and see what the reaction to these pics was on Twitter. I thought maybe they’d be a little put off. But nope it was 100% “I’m gay now,” “hotness alert,” “perfection personified” type comments down the line. The Jim Jones cult aspect of following Olly also intrigues me. I can’t figure out these delusional freaks and what motivates them.

All of his followers who had a "wow he doesn't pass at all in these pics" reaction either keep it to themselves or make a show of pretending the opposite.

 

[Chandelier]

Ok I am now very excited for this video. The point of that character is to be a straw man columnist who hates the "woke brigade".
If Ollie makes a video where he's on screen pretending to be Islamaphobic it's going to cause him issues, because one of the bigger rules of the SocJus world is that "ironic racism is still racism". It's fine for him to larp as a TERF because he's trans, but a white person doing a bit as an Islamaphobe is going to go down like a sack of bricks. It doesn't matter that he's doing it in the pursuit of communicating the opposite message, he'll be savaged for his tone deafness.

For our international friends: this is especially egregious because that discussion is in the context of the Sarah Everard murder.

Wayne Couzens was a real police officer - nicknamed "The Rapist" by even senior Met officials because everyone knew he was dodgy, and who shared a bunch of virulently misogynistic messages with colleagues over WhatsApp, and who'd been exposing himself to women - who approached Sarah in Clapham (South London), told her she was under arrest for breaking lockdown, showed her his police warrant card and handcuffed her. He then drove her out to rural Kent where he raped her and then strangled that poor woman to death.

Everyone is HORRIFIED by this. It's been compounded by the Met Police telling women that if they're approached by a plain clothes police officer they should try "shouting out to a passerby, running into a house, knocking on a door, waving a bus down or, if you are in the position to do so, calling 999" (obviously a bad idea if it's a real copper because that's resisting arrest).

Ollie capitalising on this to make a flippant point about trans rights is disgusting. Genuinely MATI.

What's going to get me during the whole 'Islamophobia' video is that he is going to ignore the 20 year history of the Met and other police unions ignoring the rape of tens of thousands of white British girls by Muslim grooming gangs. He's acting flippant about Sarah Everard now - because it was a white man doing it to a white woman - but he's never, ever going to touch the absolute horror stories of what happened to those girls. One girl was cut into pieces and baked into a kebab. Another got pregnant by her Muslim boyfriend and the boyfriend's family conspired to murder her. She was found with her throat cut in a local river.

Olly is going to make it all about himself, I know it.

Couzens is what Olly secretly wants to be but because he's too much of a skinnyfat coward he settles for being a misogynist pig on the internet. Make no mistake, Olly is the type of guy who would rape a girl or worse if he thought he could get away with it. One of the worst cows on the farm.

Someone said that if Couzens identified as a woman every single one of these ACAB troons would support his 'right' to go into a women's prison. Wait for Olly to make a tweet on it.

 

[Real Gay Autist]

Many users in this thread have noted that PT appears plastic and manufactured, and I think this is because PT cares about public image. In a sense, PT behaves like an old-school celebrity. Shrewd, and it works out: PT is not really entertaining to follow because there is no drama, no scandal, no public breakdown.

Interestingly, I have the opposite reaction: it's precisely the thing which draws me to PT and to this thread. It's the sheer suspense of when the highly-preened, manufactured, plastic veneer might crack. How long can PT's latest picture-perfect persona bear the weight of an unabashed narcissism, a lack of self-awareness and the public eye? Things are already looking rough around the edges; how long can it last? When the breakdown comes, I'm sure there'll be fireworks.

And ever since she came out, she's dialled the narcissism up to 11. Literally everything is about her. She's the princess of terf island, just fucking appointing herself as the most important trans person in the UK. Is this...is this how she thinks women act? Like I honestly don't believe she has much of a personality herself, I think she acts in whatever way she thinks will get her the most approval, but this "I'M A PERFECT TRANS PRINCESS, EVERYONE LOVE ME" bit is fucking jarring and makes my skin crawl.

I'm morbidly fascinated by narcissistic personality styles like PT's, and PT's is just such a transparent case that it's hard to look away. Like, seriously, how can anyone talk about themselves in the unashamed self-aggrandizing way PT does without some awareness of what it sounds like to other people...?! PT has posted before about attending therapy - I would pay good money to be fly on the wall, or just for a peek at the therapist's notes. Like, I wonder if the therapist is trying, covertly, to treat PT's narcissism or is complicit in it? I can imagine PT going to some hapless counsellor full of 'live, laugh, love'-esque self-care clichés who just serves to reinforce PT's delusions of grandeur. Don't think any psychotherapist worth their salt looks at the Abigail persona and thinks 'this is what self-acceptance looks like'.

The disagreement comes from the fact that Ollie craves the "validation", as in he wants people to give him nothing but unconditional love and support for his character of Abigail. Some trans women don't want that, even if people think they're delusional or not.

Right! It's nothing to do with transness, IMO. I mean, it's deeper than being trans; it's what PT's psyche is using trans identity for. It's the fact that PT has equated persona, ego ideal, and idealized love object and bundled it all into an Abigail-shaped package. It's so self-referential and self-absorbed and just utterly fascinating to see how PT has constructed and is now attempting to embody this False Self (in the Kohutian sense). And, I maintain, one day it will break down.

It's similar to looking at an addict (I think @AssignedEva or someone else may have said this before): PT depends on people like Twitter followers, whatever e-thots, that hijabi mate, perhaps even PT's therapist, to feed and reinforce the delusion that Abigail is who PT really is deep down. That is the Devil's water: the sweet, sweet rush of narcissistic supply which tastes all the sweeter the more you have. But the trouble is, the appetite for it will never be sated. Hence the multiple grandiose identities as philosopher, bisexual, abuse victim, then Abigail. There will, in all likelihood, come a point of no return when Abigail is no longer enough to satisfy the need for admiration. What comes then? Optimisically: grandiose detrans saga, doing a PhD in philosophy, some proper acting/TV gigs to fill the void? Possibly: public breakdown, abuse/assault accusations, substance abuse... the list goes on. Oh, yeah: PT OnlyFans when?????

Being completely frank and open, I feel a great deal of compassion and pity for PT. A lot of the stuff I read here just makes me feel sad and sorry. Like, I want to go and give PT a big hug and say everything will be okay and it doesn't have to be this hard. A question: does anyone else feel this way? Am I crazy? I'm aware of my personal propensity to lose perspective and (over)empathize with people like PT... I just really feel sorry for a sort of 'child Olly' who, for whatever reason, was never accepted and so could never accept himself as he is... his True Self was not good enough, was too wounded, too shameful... and so he turned to styling himself as a pseudoacademic sexy Latin teacher because it's the only way to get that awful feeling of emptiness to go away... Ugh...

Oops, sorry for massively sperging... especially to @esmeggs since I already went off on a rant like this in our DMs...

 

[Snakebottom]

It’s a distinctly non-British trait to be as pleased with oneself or to constantly highlight your accomplishments as this guy does. Our sense of identity is based around self-deprecation and humility. It’s what kept us grounded when we were out colonising the rest of the world and makes for some of the best comedy.

Olly shames us for this more than whether he’s decided to wear dresses for sure.

 

[Freesia]

It’s a distinctly non-British trait to be as pleased with oneself or to constantly highlight your accomplishments as this guy does. Our sense of identity is based around self-deprecation and humility. It’s what kept us grounded when we were out colonising the rest of the world and makes for some of the best comedy.

Olly shames us for this more than whether he’s decided to wear dresses for sure.

No offense to you mate, but I don't think anyone sees Brits as a humble or grounded people. Ask anyone what they think about British tourists and "humble" will never exit their mouths, or at least not unironically.

Also you are humble-bragging in your post about how humble you are as a people.

 

[Snakebottom]

No offense to you mate, but I don't think anyone sees Brits as a humble or grounded people. Ask anyone what they think about British tourists and "humble" will never exit their mouths, or at least not unironically.

Also you are humble-bragging in your post about how humble you are as a people.

Hah, yeah fair play man you got me. We’ll smash your shitty country up and then spend the next week posting on twitter how lush we are. En-Gurrrr-Laaand!

 

[Freesia]

Hah, yeah fair play man you got me. We’ll smash your shitty country up and then spend the next week posting on twitter how lush we are. En-Gurrrr-Laaand!

That or making a big deal about winning the Euros only to get to the finals and lose cause your black players all missed their penalties so you spend the next week posting on twitter about how much you worship blacks.

 

[fistfulloffeathers]

^He literally passes better in the below picture.

Also I had to look and see what the reaction to these pics was on Twitter. I thought maybe they’d be a little put off. But nope it was 100% “I’m gay now,” “hotness alert,” “perfection personified” type comments down the line. The Jim Jones cult aspect of following Olly also intrigues me. I can’t figure out these delusional freaks and what motivates them.

Thats just the gender cult as a whole. Love bombing, just constant love bombing stupid shit, but wait until he does a contra and breaks one of the gender commandments, they soon turn on you. That the problems with cults, they tend to love bomb until you start thinking for yourself, then no matter what you do after its never good enough

 

[AssignedEva]

No offense to you mate, but I don't think anyone sees Brits as a humble or grounded people. Ask anyone what they think about British tourists and "humble" will never exit their mouths, or at least not unironically.

Also you are humble-bragging in your post about how humble you are as a people.

He's onto something. There's an expectation for performative humility amongst Brits, more particularly amongst Middle class English people. The sort who'll slag off their hometown as a shithole but pivot and get angry if someone not from their hometown starts agreeing and ragging on it.

"I'm the best" is a sentence that is jarring coming from a middle class English person. Olly is not conforming to the class expectations of "oh it's nothing really" and that's why he sets a lot of Brits teeth on edge.

Hah, yeah fair play man you got me. We’ll smash your shitty country up and then spend the next week posting on twitter how lush we are. En-Gurrrr-Laaand!

You're being more embarrassing than Ollie right now. At least American teeaboos don't know any better; this isn't the 18th century and you know full well that we're impotent in the geopolitical sense.

 

[narcissistic injury]

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No offense to you mate, but I don't think anyone sees Brits as a humble or grounded people. Ask anyone what they think about British tourists and "humble" will never exit their mouths, or at least not unironically.

Also you are humble-bragging in your post about how humble you are as a people.

i definitely regard them as something closer to “insufferable” than “humble”

oh and for the ASL game I am a woman from Canada and I hate Olly because of his dripping cluster b personality disorders. Do not hate contra

also welcome to the newbies who joined kiwi farms to hate on Olly… welcome to the club! It was the only place that I could find where other people are able to talk about how palpably insane and scary he is….

Oh and as for the fighting game, Olly would aggress so hard. I don’t think contra would be down to physically fight anyone ever. But I would not want to be caught after dark alone with Olly….

 

[esmeggs]

Thumbnail choices for the next video:

Spoiler: Tweets

He's giving "trans Karl Lagerfeld" in option 3. The only okay thumbnail is 1, but they all seem like a poor choice for a video on Islamophobia.

@Real Gay Autist

Oops, sorry for massively sperging... especially to @esmeggs since I already went off on a rant like this in our DMs...

I could read your psychoanalyses all day, no need to apologize I get wanting to help him, because he can just come off as incredibly pathetic sometimes, but with narcissistic types they'll never listen to any advice they don't want to hear. I had sympathy for him when I thought he was behind Stephanie's accounts, but now that we know otherwise I'm back to feeling indifferent and am also patiently awaiting his eventual breakdown.

 

[Karras Rising]

I hate Olly because he calls himself PhilosophyTube and still hasn’t managed to conjure or explain a meaningful philosophical idea in eight fucking years

 

[Johan Hulth]

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[Not Karl Marx]

I didn't want to believe that people like this actually exist, and it's still hard for me to wrap my head around, but looks like all the circumstantial evidence was just that. Ockham's really failed me after all.

I used to take calls on a crisis hotline and was stunned by the number of people who would obsessively contact us to give out abuse. When I say 'obsessively', I mean they'd call tens of thousands of times a month - I worked it out once and the most frequent callers were calling fifty times an hour on average, for months, and that would be if they never took breaks to sleep. And it wasn't just one or two people, there were whole lists of them we were supposed to try and memorise. So it doesn't surprise me at all that some random person might spend every day going through a famous youtuber's videos and sorting their comments by most recent to check for new people they needed defending against. I think there are more of those people out there than most of us realise, we just never encounter them IRL because presumably they're too busy doing this shit to have friends, hold down a job or even leave the house much.

 

[narcissistic injury]

I used to take calls on a crisis hotline and was stunned by the number of people who would obsessively contact us to give out abuse. When I say 'obsessively', I mean they'd call tens of thousands of times a month - I worked it out once and the most frequent callers were calling fifty times an hour on average, for months, and that would be if they never took breaks to sleep. And it wasn't just one or two people, there were whole lists of them we were supposed to try and memorise. So it doesn't surprise me at all that some random person might spend every day going through a famous youtuber's videos and sorting their comments by most recent to check for new people they needed defending against. I think there are more of those people out there than most of us realise, we just never encounter them IRL because presumably they're too busy doing this shit to have friends, hold down a job or even leave the house much.

Welcome to the mental health sector!

you really get a taste for a slice of humanity most ppl will never encounter or imagine possible. Unless you happen upon PhilosophyTube I guess…? And even then, all the ?tweens and ?disableds (The two populations comprising his fanbase???) can’t see it

 

[Cr1ms0n_&_C10v3r]

I am not (technically) English but I am British. I think Ollie might be more viscerally disgusting because he barely feels like a person, but he's a shameless narcissistic oaf. His character is shallow and empty. Contra can be more sly. I think I dislike them equally. I would only dislike Ollie more if he actually had committed some kind of sex crime.

 

[SevenEightNine]

I am not (technically) English but I am British. I think Ollie might be more viscerally disgusting because he barely feels like a person, but he's a shameless narcissistic oaf. His character is shallow and empty. Contra can be more sly. I think I dislike them equally. I would only dislike Ollie more if he actually had committed some kind of sex crime.

We know that story arc is coming. It has to be.

 

[lady stoneheart]

I used to take calls on a crisis hotline and was stunned by the number of people who would obsessively contact us to give out abuse. When I say 'obsessively', I mean they'd call tens of thousands of times a month - I worked it out once and the most frequent callers were calling fifty times an hour on average, for months, and that would be if they never took breaks to sleep. And it wasn't just one or two people, there were whole lists of them we were supposed to try and memorise.

i used to work at a domestic violence shelter for women, and men would call our crisis hotline pretending to be women who had been abused and jerk off. most of them did not have a good lady voice, but if they did you could always tell when you’d try to offer them resources and they would pivot the conversation back to describing their disgusting fantasies of how they’d supposedly been raped in great detail.
this is one of the many experiences that peaked me. men do not belong in places where women go to be safe. i have no doubt that these same men are now dressing up in skirts from Goodwill so they can go there and jerk off in person.