Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Bakarina]

So how are hospitals in blue states holding up? Did they actually get around to firing people or did they chicken out?

There have been a handful of hospitals that have had to close their maternity wards due to staff shortages and while I recognize some of them are from blue areas, I cannot confirm all of them are.

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

Every time I have received a shot, vaccine, prescription, lab work, procedure, etc, I was informed of what these things were going to do, what the potential side effects were, and was not pressured into getting these things. With the COVID vaccines, the narrative is that I should "just get it," and that "the benefits outweigh the risks," even though I'm not even being told what the risks are in the first place.

This refusal to calmly talk about risks or even benefits makes me really uneasy. It's like everyone wants incoherent Internet Blood Sports where every word blends into pure noise. Not against the things. I'm against this refusal to calm the fuck down on both sides. Even engaging in the topic is nerve wrecking regardless of who the audience is.

What's funny, though, as someone who has severed ties with a lot of people over the past year over COVID and vaccines, you know who has been the group of people who has put the least amount of pressure on me about getting the jab? My own goddamn doctors.

I discussed the vaccine with my doctor earlier this year and he was understanding of my concerns, talked about which vaccines were available and which were currently in the area, tolerated any stupid thing I may have said or calmly corrected it. No judgement, no aggression, no threats. If he had started screeching at me and got accusatory, I would have decided to never even consider the things.

The worst possible place to discuss this is online or in meatspace with strangers. There's zero incentive to be like my doctor. Anyone going to Twitter, Kiwifarms, Facebook, Bebo, Livejournal, or Pornhub to decide if they should get the vaccine should make an appointment with their doctor. Take nothing said online as anything but shitposting and blowing off steam regardless of who you agree with. If you see useful information, keep it in mind. Just remember it came from someone who doesn't know when you last broke your wenis.

 

[benutz]

Just a little anecdotal update, fwiw.

I talked to Laurel and Hardy the other night. A couple of drunks that live next door to each other and sometimes sit/stand outside their house drinking cans.

We talked before about the vaxx. They asked me if I had it. I said 'no' and wasn't ever going to have it because of underlying auto-immune shit. They aren't pro-vaxxers as such. One already had cancer, the other is a really heavy drinker. They both got vaxxed, oooh, about the beginning of this year iirc.

I sensed a bit of friction still, because, well, they are sheep, and they don't spend any time doing any research, they just do as they are told. I still don't know what the answer is to all of this, but at least I try to understand, a bit. Anyway we haven't talked about the 'vaxx' for a while, but it came up the other night in a very quick conversation we were having. They both said the same thing. That neither one of them was getting another booster shot. This implied that they had had one extra booster since their initial vaxx at the beginning of the year. I guess this would make sense timeline wise.

Neither went in to details, but I could see that both their minds were made up. One of them in fact told me about really fucking bad side-effects from both shots, especially the booster, where he said his kidneys were in agony. He's the really heavy drinker, but he's a fucking big lad. Whatever it was, both their minds were made up.

I subtly told them I thought they were making the right decision, that I'd done a little bit of research on it and that it may be not such a bad idea to give them a miss. They then got all that 'But you can't trust people on the internet- who can you trust? You can't trust anyone' kind of thing. I guess to that rationale there is no purpose to the scientific method and we should all just believe in witch doctors, but I didn't press the point. It was just interesting seeing them come to this conclusion by themselves. I'm not sure what forced it or brought it about - perhaps being fucking ill after 2 shots made them say fuck it for a third time. Who knows. I didn't press further.

One thing is for sure, neither of those boys are getting a 3rd shot, and they bought in to the whole program. I get along with them ok, they are pretty decent people for alcoholics. They're not bad, just a bit dumb. But it was encouraging to hear them say they had made their mind up about getting another shot. I'll ask them why next time I talk to them, just slipping it in to the conversation.

So far I've avoided being jabbed and even tested, though I imagine that will change when I get to go for some tests I need to have. There are about 4 or 5 that I need doing that I'm on a list for. I'm still waiting. I recently got contacted by a family member who I hadn't heard from in a long time and they said their doctor advised them to tell anyone in their family to get tested for genetic cancer. I won't PL more than that. But I face the very real risk of being one of those people that will die because of the backlog in testing, some saying it will be years before it gets back to normal. No matter, if I have that one, I'm dead anyway, so I'm fairly fatalistic and nihilistic about it all.

But many cancers have a pretty good prognosis these days if they are caught early enough. Good luck with that if you live in Bongistan where Cancer treatment is at the bottom of the pile when compared to nearby Europe. Pretty sure I will be waiting a very long time to get that (those) tests.

I've resigned myself to the fact there are no medical facilities for europoors like me. The only time I've ever called an ambulance in my life, they told me to visit my doctor. If I have a heart attack or get some kind of Serotonin Syndrome from possible drug cocktails I am taking, I will be left to die. This is no country for old men. Getting tested is a luxury that isn't there anymore. The NHS does not exist in any kind of real terms for people like me. I'll die alone.

All this is extra impetus to stop drinking. I don't do drugs anyway, and I turn down the myriad of drugs they are prepared to give me for many things that ail me. They don't work. The side-effects are too bad, and they don't monitor shit to see how you are doing. It's every man for himself here now.

This has been the major uptake from this whole crisis. And no, that will never go back to normal now. They just have a fucking good excuse to slack off even further. On the whole, I'm doing pretty ok. I'm eating better, I'm exercising more where I can. Life is improving, and my whole will is being put towards things improving more. I make no distinction between the mental or physical, or even the spiritual any more. There are others out there that will not be as fortunate as me.

We all know by now that this was a very engineered crisis, quite literally so. And whether you subscribe to the fact this was intentionally released, or just something that got out of control, it matters little at this point. Here we are, at this point in history, where things will never go back to how they were a year or two back. Supply shortages, prices going up (inflation), wages not going up (stagflation), no pigs in blankets for Xmas - the horror.

I just got a nasty feeling, and yeah, being a bit doomer here, that the lack of pigs in blankets will be the least of our worries as we go in to 2022. It's been a mad ride the last year or two. We've all kind of shared the same trajectory. Some of us have gone well off the beaten path, only to come back in line again with the consensus. Things will change even more as we move forward. There is a sense that we aren't just fighting mother nature and old father time, but those that hold power over us, and wield it in unseen and obscure circumstances. Never let a good crisis go to waste. Even better if you can engineer that crisis to start with.

"Only the paranoid survive" - CEO of intel - Andy Grove.


In other news: Sales of Super Yachts up!

In other other news: Obscure Austrian Painter comes to power for no reason at all!

 

[Super-Chevy454]

There was one guy in 10th grade filmed his teacher who bullied unvaccinated students in her classroom.

https://twitter.com/jasonrantz/status/1445063015322173440

Rantz: Teacher investigated for 'shaming' unvaccinated kids on video, school tried to destroy evidence

A student recorded a Pierce County teacher bullying him and his classmates into getting the COVID vaccine. She blamed her unvaccinated students for "killing people" by being unvaccinated.

mynorthwest.com

A student recorded a Pierce County teacher bullying him and his classmates into getting the COVID vaccine. The teacher blamed her unvaccinated students for “killing people” by being unvaccinated.

Tanner is a 10th-grader at Puyallup High School. He says his biology teacher became upset that some students were improperly wearing their masks. It set her off on a rant against her unvaccinated students. She called unvaccinated students “selfish” and said they weren’t welcome at school. She accused her unvaccinated students of killing people by spreading variants of the virus, warning them that they could “literally kill everyone on the planet.”

That teacher is now on paid administrative leave pending an investigation into her conduct. But before the investigation took place, the school’s vice principal, who identifies as an abolitionist educator, tried to have the video evidence deleted.

 

[ddw]

a few minutes ago i was walking into the convenience store in my boston suburb that reinstated the mask mandate last month and i saw a guy about to put one on when i said "you don't have to wear a mask here, the cashier doesn't wear one himself" and he said "works for me" and put it back in his pocket. then as i was buying my beer someone else came in and took theirs off when they saw all three of us weren't wearing masks

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

There was one guy in 10th grade filmed his teacher who bullied unvaccinated students in her classroom.

https://twitter.com/jasonrantz/status/1445063015322173440

Rantz: Teacher investigated for 'shaming' unvaccinated kids on video, school tried to destroy evidence

A student recorded a Pierce County teacher bullying him and his classmates into getting the COVID vaccine. She blamed her unvaccinated students for "killing people" by being unvaccinated.

mynorthwest.com

>biology teacher
>thinks a 0.2% IFR virus which primarily kills the old & infirm is enough to "kill everyone on the planet"

 

[Lorne Armstrong]

This refusal to calmly talk about risks or even benefits makes me really uneasy. It's like everyone wants incoherent Internet Blood Sports where every word blends into pure noise. Not against the things. I'm against this refusal to calm the fuck down on both sides. Even engaging in the topic is nerve wrecking regardless of who the audience is.

I discussed the vaccine with my doctor earlier this year and he was understanding of my concerns, talked about which vaccines were available and which were currently in the area, tolerated any stupid thing I may have said or calmly corrected it. No judgement, no aggression, no threats. If he had started screeching at me and got accusatory, I would have decided to never even consider the things.

The worst possible place to discuss this is online or in meatspace with strangers. There's zero incentive to be like my doctor. Anyone going to Twitter, Kiwifarms, Facebook, Bebo, Livejournal, or Pornhub to decide if they should get the vaccine should make an appointment with their doctor. Take nothing said online as anything but shitposting and blowing off steam regardless of who you agree with. If you see useful information, keep it in mind. Just remember it came from someone who doesn't know when you last broke your wenis.

See, that’s just it. My doctor is the one that totally freaked out on me. I went in for a checkup, the PA never even checked my weight or asked if I was in any pain or had any concerns. Once my Dr came in, all he did was ask about the vaccine, when I told him I hadn’t taken it, he launched into a 10 minute diatribe about it. Then he told me to stay there while he checked the office because they’d been giving it out earlier that week but he said they may have run out. He walked out before I could say no. I almost walked out right then. Then he comes back and tells me that they’re not giving the shot in the clinic anymore because they have a drive through set up for it. He asks me about my wife and my parents. I told him I didn’t talk about stuff like that with them. He freaked out again, told me to call my wife and my folks, tell them I was coming to pick them up, then he wanted me to drive them to the drive thru, and he said “all you have to do is lie and tell them your parents live with you and then you can ALL take the vaccine”. I told him I wanted all future checkups to be virtual after that.

I was on the fence about the vaccine before that, but that experience put me off of it completely. One of the first things a salesman learns is that a good deal doesn’t require high-pressure sales tactics. A good deal sells itself. If the only way to sell what you’ve got is to resort to hard-sell high pressure tactics, you’re selling a lemon.

 

[ddw]

>biology teacher
>thinks a 0.2% IFR virus which primarily kills the old & infirm is enough to "kill everyone on the planet"

my own bio teacher put on super size me until shutting it off for "fat shaming". schools fucking suck

 

[The golden neckbeard]

Say it with me

The Vaccine Doesn't even work

The Vaccine Doesn't even work

The Vaccine Doesn't even work




None of this makes any fucking sense, also still not taking it

 

[The Other Baldwin]

>biology teacher
>thinks a 0.2% IFR virus which primarily kills the old & infirm is enough to "kill everyone on the planet"

I mean, it's Puyallup. The school budget no doubt has some kind of limit on salaries tied directly to merit and education level. This teacher is obviously just a Karen who got through based on gender and time served. The inner city public schools are absolute trash on the wet side.

Rantz, on point as usual making clear that most of primary education in the western WA area is overrun with political activists and morons.

Good on those high schoolers.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

I think some Yellow Jackets had to push things harder but knowing how stobborn are the guys of the French Senate.

French Senate Introduces Bill to Mandate COVID-19 Vaccinations for All Beginning January 1, 2022 | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

Following in the footsteps of much of Europe, France has introduced several stringent vaccine mandates that have irrevocably changed the landscape of life in the nation. The city of lights has been illuminated with the allegorical ambiance of pitchforks and torches as massive protests have taken to the streets of Paris since President Emmanuel Macron announced measures on July 12th that require proof of vaccination to enter cafés, restaurants, and even hospitals. The forewarning of the outcries of those protesters has now reached its apotheosis as the Social Affairs Committee of the French Senate has introduced a bill that will require mandatory vaccinations against COVID-19 for all citizens beginning on January 1st, 2022.

The proposed vaccine mandate was introduced by Senator Bernard Jomier on October 4th. Jomier, the Senator of Paris who introduced the law proposition, sits as the Vice-Chairman of the Social Affairs Committee. He is also a member of the Parliamentary Office for the Evaluation of Scientific and Technological Choices, Social Security Assessment and Control Mission, and Socialist, Ecologist and Republican Group within the French government. Jomier, a member of the Socialist Party, continues to work as a physician as he had preceding his initial term as a Senator which began in 2017. He and his fellow senators Marie-Pierre La Gontrie, Monique Lubin -- among others -- had initially introduced the premise of a nation-wide vaccine mandate to the French Senate on August 31st but have since crafted the premise of the bill in a much more actionable manner at its first reading before the Social Affairs Committee.

Jomier's vision for enacting compulsory vaccines against COVID-19 would cite precedent that already requires innoculations against other diseases. Under Article L3111-1 of the Public Health Code, there are currently eleven mandatory vaccines required for citizens without medical exemptions. The existing eleven mandatory vaccines are for antidiphtheric, antitetanus, antipoliomyelitis, pertussis, haemophilus influenzae type b, hepatitis virus type b, invasive pneumococcal infections, serogroup c meningococcus, measles, mumps, and rubella. Jomier's law proposition would amend that article of the Public Health Code to add vaccinations against SARS-CoV-2 to that schedule. Mandatory vaccinations would take effect beginning January 1st, 2022 and would those who do not comply would be subject to a fine of €135 under Article 519 of the French Code of Criminal Procedure. The fine can increase to as much as €1,500 for repeated offenses in which those mandated to vaccine do not comply. A public session discussion on the proposed amendment to the Public Health Code will take place in the French Senate on October 13th before being forwarded for consideration to the National Assembly.

 

[Gorilla Tessellator]

I have a question:
Suppose you are in a situation in your new job. You are a member of a new team. Your manager is pro-vaxx and is even talking how he can't wait to vax his 5-year old, alas the vax is not EUAd for the kids his age. How would you respond if he would ask you if you are vaxxed? (and you are not vaxxed, job doesn't require it, you can just test weekly instead). You can't convince the guy of any rational reasons not to take it, because he is clearly brain-washed. To refuse conversation would mean that he knows you are unvaxxed, because why otherwise would you avoid talking about it. How to politely answer a nosy question?

 

[ddw]

I think some Yellow Jackets had to push things harder but knowing how stobborn are the guys of the French Senate.

French Senate Introduces Bill to Mandate COVID-19 Vaccinations for All Beginning January 1, 2022 | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

>following in the footsteps
lol france was one of the very first to do everything, starting with the march 2020 lockdowns (they were like the third to do so, after italy and denmark)

 

[The Other Baldwin]

I have a question:
Suppose you are in a situation in your new job. You are a member of a new team. Your manager is pro-vaxx and is even talking how he can't wait to vax his 5-year old, alas the vax is not EUAd for the kids his age. How would you respond if he would ask you if you are vaxxed? (and you are not vaxxed, job doesn't require it, you can just test weekly instead). You can't convince the guy of any rational reasons not to take it, because he is clearly brain-washed. To refuse conversation would mean that he knows you are unvaxxed, because why otherwise would you avoid talking about it. How to politely answer a nosy question?

With women, you ask them if they have had an abortion. Ask men when their last colonoscopy was, and how did it go? ....Or even better, ask them if they take any drugs for erectile dysfunction.

Point out the obvious, it's none of their business. The vaccines are leaky shit anyways. Make them go wtf. It's the only way.

If you want to do it diplomatically, you can always just tell them to fuck off, in whatever polite variation you like. There is no right answer, they are probing to find out if you are on their side or not. I figure I'll just lie to them, and when they all start reporting health problems or coming down with more severe Covid, and nothing bad happens to me....

 

[Salubrious]

I have a question:
Suppose you are in a situation in your new job. You are a member of a new team. Your manager is pro-vaxx and is even talking how he can't wait to vax his 5-year old, alas the vax is not EUAd for the kids his age. How would you respond if he would ask you if you are vaxxed? (and you are not vaxxed, job doesn't require it, you can just test weekly instead). You can't convince the guy of any rational reasons not to take it, because he is clearly brain-washed. To refuse conversation would mean that he knows you are unvaxxed, because why otherwise would you avoid talking about it. How to politely answer a nosy question?

If you don't need to show him a vaxx card, I would give a non-answer that implies yes or just tell him yes. "I did what I felt was right." or "I did what needed to be done."

If he is going to demand a vaxx card, I would start my job search over again quietly if that is an option for you. Because it sounds like if he finds out you aren't vaxxed, he will make your life a living hell anyway.

If you absolutely need your job, just lie and pray. Tell him HR has a copy of your card or something.

 

[Clockwork_PurBle]

Alternatively you could say your doctor has recommended that you not get the vaxx until X happens, like a certain medical procedure. A patient where I work has been told not to get vaxxed with anything, flu or COVID or whatever, due to some certain issues she's currently having.

I'm holding out for as long as possible but if I ever do have to cave I'm for sure not doing it unless I have an EKG and my heart checked out. Not PLing but this is especially important since people my age and younger are having heart attacks now because jabs.

 

[Info Player Start]

a few minutes ago i was walking into the convenience store in my boston suburb that reinstated the mask mandate last month and i saw a guy about to put one on when i said "you don't have to wear a mask here, the cashier doesn't wear one himself" and he said "works for me" and put it back in his pocket. then as i was buying my beer someone else came in and took theirs off when they saw all three of us weren't wearing masks

It's like Plato's cave lol

 

[Salubrious]

Alternatively you could say your doctor has recommended that you not get the vaxx until X happens, like a certain medical procedure. A patient where I work has been told not to get vaxxed with anything, flu or COVID or whatever, due to some certain issues she's currently having.

I know people that will flat out say "that's not good enough" and "we know the vaccines are safe."

Remember the Offspring drummer that didn't get the second shot because his doctor said it could LITERALLY KILL HIM, and people still called him an anti-vaxx asshole?

 

[Mrs. Addams]

I have a question:
Suppose you are in a situation in your new job. You are a member of a new team. Your manager is pro-vaxx and is even talking how he can't wait to vax his 5-year old, alas the vax is not EUAd for the kids his age. How would you respond if he would ask you if you are vaxxed? (and you are not vaxxed, job doesn't require it, you can just test weekly instead). You can't convince the guy of any rational reasons not to take it, because he is clearly brain-washed. To refuse conversation would mean that he knows you are unvaxxed, because why otherwise would you avoid talking about it. How to politely answer a nosy question?

Could you lie to the boss, and keep testing to cover your back? Just say you're testing because you're paranoid so if HR ever follows up, you did the legal thing.

 

[Gorilla Tessellator]

Could you lie to the boss, and keep testing to cover your back? Just say you're testing because you're paranoid so if HR ever follows up, you did the legal thing.

I wonder if he can somehow obtain my vax status from HR. Then I would be caught on lie. Testing is mandatory only if you go to office, I don't have to go back to office for at least 10 weeks more.