The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

I'd you care so damn much about babies, then why not donate to causes that benefit babies who are already born? Or support government programs that benefit them?

The government already supports single mothers, it's not much but enough to survive (at least in California, I don't know about elsewhere).

And I don't go to church but do give what little I can to them whenever possible, they're known to help single mothers as well.

Between voting to save lives, and giving to organizations and church, what more can a person do? The only thing I can think of is adopting, but even if I wanted to there's restrictions/requirements I wouldn't meet.

It's not that I care so much about babies, I'm not losing sleep over it. There's death and misery all across the Earth, that's just the nature of this fallen world, but I think we shouldn't add to that. I even oppose the death penalty because the person could be innocent, and even if they're not, killing them deprives them of the one thing they should still have; the option to repent.

But like hell I won't at least oppose abortion, and it baffles me how you can add to the death and suffering in this world. Abortion is an inherently hypocritical act as well. Like Reagan said, “I’ve noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born."

I also can't help but notice you skipped the arguments I made, and went straight to pinning responsibility on me.

I brought this up before, it was ignored then, and will be now too, but what about survivors of abortion procedures? You say the unborn are not people so it's okay to kill them, but that's obviously not true. The assassination attempt rarely fails but when it does, why isn't that a good thing? Would you tell these survivors, including women (who you pretend to care about the rights of), that they don't deserve to be alive, aren't people, and should've been killed successfully?

 

[Muh Vagina]

But like hell I won't at least oppose abortion, and it baffles me how you can add to the death and suffering in this world.

I could say the same about any pro-lifer.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

I could say the same about any pro-lifer.

What about survivors of abortion procedures? You say the unborn are not people so it's okay to kill them, but that's obviously not true. The assassination attempt rarely fails but when it does, why isn't that a good thing? Would you tell these survivors, including women (who you pretend to care about the rights of), that they don't deserve to be alive, aren't people, and should've been killed successfully?

 

[Elaine Miller]

Honestly, Libertarians, the Alt-right who claim to be pro liberty, and pro-gun people who are also pro -liberty as an argument for being pro-gun rights, are idiots if they claim to be against pro-choice. The whole point of being pro-liberty, is that everyone has liberty to be things and do things that they want, even if others find those things retarded. Being pro-life is technically dictating other people’s freedom which is actually pretty cucked and what SJWs try to promote through cancel culture & Tiktok. I understand and respect the pro-life argument, but in my view, it’s nearly impossible to be pro-life and truly pro-liberty. Unfortunately, if you’re actually pro-liberty, you just have to accept the fact that being for freedom means you’ll get to witness people being retarded (in your view) as well as people being amazingly based.

 

[What the shit]

Honestly, Libertarians, the Alt-right who claim to be pro liberty, and pro-gun people who are also pro -liberty as an argument for being pro-gun rights, are idiots if they claim to be against pro-choice. The whole point of being pro-liberty, is that everyone has liberty to be things and do things that they want, even if others find those things retarded. Being pro-life is technically dictating other people’s freedom which is actually pretty cucked and what SJWs try to promote through cancel culture & Tiktok. I understand and respect the pro-life argument, but in my view, it’s nearly impossible to be pro-life and truly pro-liberty. Unfortunately, if you’re actually pro-liberty, you just have to accept the fact that being for freedom means you’ll get to witness people being retarded (in your view) as well as people being amazingly based.

I think what they’re trying to argue is that a fetus is a living being and therefore is granted all these rights especially the right to live upon conception and birth, at least that’s how I interpreted much of their points. They just don't want to see any unnecessary slaughter.

 

[Muh Vagina]

What about survivors of abortion procedures? You say the unborn are not people so it's okay to kill them, but that's obviously not true. The assassination attempt rarely fails but when it does, why isn't that a good thing? Would you tell these survivors, including women (who you pretend to care about the rights of), that they don't deserve to be alive, aren't people, and should've been killed successfully?

No, because those "survivors" have already been born.

What do you mean by "survivors" anyways? The only "survivors" are the ones whose mother's backed out of the procedure at the last minute.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

No, because those "survivors" have already been born.

What do you mean by "survivors" anyways? The only "survivors" are the ones whose mother's backed out of the procedure at the last minute.

No, can't be a survivor if you're already born because there'd be nothing TO survive; the """fetus""" (Latin for offspring, synonymous with baby) is attacked with intent to kill while in the womb.

So you really don't know about abortion survivors? I believe you. I actually sympathize with you a bit too. You're so caught up in the agenda you've got tunnel vision, on the periphery are the survivors you can't see. Well, here they are, the ones who shouldn't be here but are anyway, the unwanted.

If your reply is "we should get better at killing these people so there aren't survivors", then you may as well get a funny little mustache, Führer.

 

[Nom Carver]

If my birth control fails, I do not consent to pregnancy and I will do anything I can to prevent it. There's nothing you can do about it. Cope.

You consented to the possiblity of your birth control failing and you getting pregnant when you had sex in the first place. The very fact you know that your birth control can fail means that you are aware of the risks you are taking.

Honestly, Libertarians, the Alt-right who claim to be pro liberty, and pro-gun people who are also pro -liberty as an argument for being pro-gun rights, are idiots if they claim to be against pro-choice. The whole point of being pro-liberty, is that everyone has liberty to be things and do things that they want, even if others find those things retarded. Being pro-life is technically dictating other people’s freedom which is actually pretty cucked and what SJWs try to promote through cancel culture & Tiktok. I understand and respect the pro-life argument, but in my view, it’s nearly impossible to be pro-life and truly pro-liberty. Unfortunately, if you’re actually pro-liberty, you just have to accept the fact that being for freedom means you’ll get to witness people being retarded (in your view) as well as people being amazingly based.

So under your logic, people should be allowed to commit murder, because otherwise we're "technically dictating other people's freedom which is actually pretty cucked and what SJWs try to promote through cancel culture & Tiktok"?

 

[Muh Vagina]

Well, here they are, the ones who shouldn't be here but are anyway, the unwanted.

Citing a Catholic website isn't helping your case. We all know how well they protect children.

And double lol at Special Books for Special Kids. We're always ragging on that guy in the tard baby thread.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Citing a Catholic website isn't helping your case. We all know how well they protect children.

And double lol at Special Books for Special Kids. We're always ragging on that guy in the tard baby thread.

Are you on this "REEEEEEEEEE CNN IS THE ONLY SOURCE OF INFORMATION" again? Are you ACTUALLY trying to deny there's abortion survivors because you don't like my source...? Is it that uncomfortable to face? That might be a good thing.

 

[Die Dunkle Maus]

Citing a Catholic website isn't helping your case. We all know how well they protect children.

And double lol at Special Books for Special Kids. We're always ragging on that guy in the tard baby thread.

You can't molest them if they aren't born, Catholics have it all figured out.

 

[Muh Vagina]

Are you on this "REEEEEEEEEE CNN IS THE ONLY SOURCE OF INFORMATION" again? Are you ACTUALLY trying to deny there's abortion survivors because you don't like my source...? Is it that uncomfortable to face? That might be a good thing.

When you choose to cite Catholic sources and Catholic sources only, you're only proving that you don't actually care about the science behind anything.

 

[Nom Carver]

When you choose to cite Catholic sources and Catholic sources only, you're only proving that you don't actually care about the science behind anything.

"I don't like your sources so I'll just ignore it entirely."

Here's a thought, maybe you could sit down, find evidence of the contrary to what that source is saying, and actually disprove it like an intelligent adult instead of going "I'm not gonna listen to THAT because THAT's poopy!" like a child crossing their arms at something for being the wrong color.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

When you choose to cite Catholic sources and Catholic sources only, you're only proving that you don't actually care about the science behind anything.

Either something is true or it's false, your irrational bias against religion is blinding you. Not every single thing reported by a religious person is some devious lie. It's ridiculous.

 

[Muh Vagina]

Either something is true or it's false, your irrational bias against religion is blinding you. Not every single thing reported by a religious person is some devious lie. It's ridiculous.

You can't cite religious sources when debating abortion and expect people to take your arguments seriously. I have science on my side. You have "muh Jee-AY-sus". You don't rely on facts, you rely on feels.

 

[Nom Carver]

You can't cite religious sources when debating abortion and expect people to take your arguments seriously. I have science on my side. You have "muh Jee-AY-sus". You don't rely on facts, you rely on feels.

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"I don't like your sources so I'll just ignore it entirely."

Here's a thought, maybe you could sit down, find evidence of the contrary to what that source is saying, and actually disprove it like an intelligent adult instead of going "I'm not gonna listen to THAT because THAT's poopy!" like a child crossing their arms at something for being the wrong color.

Hello? Is that too hard to ask of you, to perform middle-school level scientific research and look into things to find the truth, backed up by study, and facts? You know, the scientific method?

Ironically your biased hatred for any and all information coming from 'community X' is very un-scientific. You're outright refusing to consider ideas, or- God forbid- facts from a community you have pre-emptively declared to be wrong just 'because'. That's not how science works. That's how you conduct close minded idiocy- the exact thing you criticize us for supposedly doing.

Obviously that doesn't mean you should take what the article says at face value, but you can't declare the article to be 100% false without even taking the effort to debunk it.

This kind of degenerative smooth brained reasoning is the reason why society is getting to be so shit in the first place. Because idiots like you have the criticial thinking of a tapeworm and just believe everything the people in the highest place of authority say at face value without doing any research or discovery of your own.

"They say they're right so they must be right!"

You're the exact kind of person who would be unquestioningly following everything a religious institution were saying if they were the biggest authority in the room.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

You can't cite religious sources when debating abortion and expect people to take your arguments seriously. I have science on my side. You have "muh Jee-AY-sus". You don't rely on facts, you rely on feels.

Define "religious sources". And science is on my side, actually.

You're pretending as if I'm quoting scripture at you, a terribly disingenuous way to frame me. And as a libtard we all know you're the one who doesn't care about facts and logic, just your feefees.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

I have science on my side.

Science doesn't agree with your assertion that a fetus is a parasite. Also, that there are people who were born despite attempts to abort them isn't a scientific matter.

 

[Muh Vagina]

Hello? Is that too hard to ask of you, to perform middle-school level scientific research and look into things to find the truth, backed up by study, and facts? You know, the scientific method?

I have been doing this ever since I entered this thread. I have been linking to the Journal of the American Medical Association and Royal Academy of Obstetrics and Gynecology, among others. Surely those are more trustworthy than Catholic websites that cite scripture as fact?

Define "religious sources". And science is on my side, actually.

You're pretending as if I'm quoting scripture at you, a terribly disingenuous way to frame me. And as a libtard we all know you're the one who doesn't care about facts and logic, just your feefees.

You haven't cited a single scientific source or one that has been cited by other reputable sources. Your religious bullshit is not fact..

 

[Rapechu]

Honestly, Libertarians, the Alt-right who claim to be pro liberty, and pro-gun people who are also pro -liberty as an argument for being pro-gun rights, are idiots if they claim to be against pro-choice. The whole point of being pro-liberty, is that everyone has liberty to be things and do things that they want, even if others find those things retarded. Being pro-life is technically dictating other people’s freedom which is actually pretty cucked and what SJWs try to promote through cancel culture & Tiktok. I understand and respect the pro-life argument, but in my view, it’s nearly impossible to be pro-life and truly pro-liberty. Unfortunately, if you’re actually pro-liberty, you just have to accept the fact that being for freedom means you’ll get to witness people being retarded (in your view) as well as people being amazingly based.

I am not a libertarian, but I see no contradictions. Libertarians believe in the good old "don't harm others while going on your freedom orgy" non-aggression principle. If you think that babies are human life, which is pretty easy to prove, just do a genetics test on a foetus, and you will see that it is fully human, then as a libertarian you will be forced to adhere to the principle of not harming it. Though this is all a really autistic way of saying "no rational person would want to kill their own babies".

You can't cite religious sources when debating abortion and expect people to take your arguments seriously. I have science on my side. You have "muh Jee-AY-sus". You don't rely on facts, you rely on feels.

PFFFHAHAHA. Okay, here's a scientific fact for you: you killed your own children and carried out Darwinism on yourself. What scientific facts do you think you have that can possibly justify self-genocide?

I'd you care so damn much about babies, then why not donate to causes that benefit babies who are already born? Or support government programs that benefit them?

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There are many other types of charity and social healing where religious givers are dominant influences.

• Religious Americans adopt children at two and a half times the overall national rate, and they play a particularly large role in fostering and adopting troubled and hard-to-place kids. (See graph 13)
• Local church congregations, aided by umbrella groups like Catholic Charities, provide most of the day-to-day help that resettles refugees and asylum seekers arriving in the U.S.
• Research shows that the bulk of volunteers mentoring prisoners and their families, both while they are incarcerated and after they are released, are Christians eager to welcome offenders back into society, help them succeed, and head off returns to crime.
• The educational alternative that draws most of the headlines today is charter schooling, which serves 3 million children. Much less often acknowledged is the fact that 3.8 million children are educated every year in religious schools in the U.S. (See graph 14) There is evidence these religious schools offer qualitative advantages: their students experience less violence and bullying and feel more secure, exhibit better citizenship skills, are more engaged with their community, and produce average SAT scores more than 100 points higher than public-school students.
• Religious hospitals care for one out of every five U.S. hospital patients. Catholic institutions account for 16 percent of all hospital beds, and additional large health-care systems are run by Adventists, Baptists, Methodists, Jews, and other faith groups. (See graph 15)
• Faith-based organizations are at the forefront of both care and recovery for the homeless. A 2017 study found that 58 percent of the emergency shelter beds in 11 surveyed cities are maintained by religious providers—who also delivered many of the addiction, health-care, education, and job services needed to help the homeless regain their independence. (See graph 16)
• Local congregations provide 130,000 alcohol-recovery programs.
• Local congregations provide 120,000 programs that assist the unemployed.
• Local congregations provide 26,000 programs to help people living with HIV/AIDS—one ministry for every 46 people infected with the virus.
• Churches recruit a large portion of the volunteers needed to operate organizations like Habitat for Humanity, Meals on Wheels, America's thousands of food pantries and feeding programs, Big Brothers Big Sisters, the Red Cross, and other volunteer-dependent charities.