Covid/mRNA Vaccine Info General - "Covid Seasonal Flu Vaccines is Society's New Normal" - FDA

[Dyn]

Thank you, Null!

You heard our doggo leader! Thread's back in session! That being said, let's be clear what we posters could do better from now on:
- Focus on the subject of the thread. Continue discourse and debate as we've always done. No more giving in so easily to bait posts, no matter how much they are spammed.
- Consider using the "Report" feature where appropriate instead of letting the thread be dragged into a spergatory dumpsterfire ( not on those who are just dishing out usual kiwi banter, and of course never on anyone simply voicing an opposing viewpoint, but on thread derailment).
- Finally, let's continue all the info gathering, discourse and further, not taking kiwi banter too seriously, keeping thread quality high and making this thread as effective as we hoped for from the start.
With this we can continue forward! View attachment 2612566

Spoiler: A word, though (also info on yet more Section 230 targeting from the government)

Reality of the matter is that disruptive derailing posters like HHH's ilk are nothing compared to what really looms overahead. The government and big tech in its entirety seek to censor and destroy all information contrary to their narrative. The "Infodemic" purge is massive and continues from site to site. They would even nuke Section 230 protection for websites that host "vaccine hesitancy/misinformation" just to get their Ministry of Truth firmly established, though thankfully it has not come to that yet.
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You know what this means, don't you? Null not only helped us in unlocking the thread but continues to help us by allowing threads like this on his site, threads which at this time (10/10/2021) are perhaps the most targeted across the web during the increasing fervor of global vaccine mandates (and otherwise). As the Internet shrinks in various aspects so, too, does our ability to even find, let alone disseminate, information contradictory to the gatekeepers.

Null could easily make his life easier by cutting whole portions of this site off ahead of time, just removing them like so many other site hosts have done preemptively to protect themselves from the powers that be. He has not. He does not. Take that to heart, guys. Let's show him it means something.

Here's how we show the Farms and Null our respect: We continue collecting verifiable information, articles etc., keep encouraging people on both sides of the isle to voice their experiences and to engage in discourse and debate. We don't take kiwi banter too seriously from either side but we also don't devolve the thread into back-and-forth hostile sperging. Let's be good sports in the jokes and in the truth, fellow farmers with golden shovels, always willing to discuss rather than just dismiss. We remain focused on the subject of the thread and encourage one another.

And yes, although there are pod people (not literal) aplenty, most posters on both sides genuinely mean well or are even simply afraid. Can anyone blame them for fear, be it of the virus or vaccine? Further, the severity of the divide between us, as directly encouraged by the government, media and major institutions, would have all threads like this devolve into hostile derailment just to impede our cohesion. Let's not give the cult-like freaks in charge, people like the NY Gov. herself, the satisfaction of dividing us. Jokes aside, most posters on this site who stand on opposing sides of this subject are sincere in their beliefs. Let's meet that sincerity with our own--and meet jokes with jokes evenly, without hostility.

Beneath the bantz and between the debates let's always remember that this is the Farms, not Reddit, and we are all kiwis. This is our home.

shut up faggot you're not a janny don't tell us what to do

 

[EyelessMC]

Updated the OP and MEGA with the recent Section 230 "medical misinformation" article and this one, which is even more important:

Turns out the Facebook Whistleblower is also championing Section 230 reform. I haven't kept up with that whole fiasco but let's remember that Section 230 was in Facebook's crosshairs, too. Check the OP and you'll find an article about Zuckerburg and Google's CEO both agreeing to and even encouraging the reform of 230. The whistleblower here is also encouraging it, but specifically to somehow take into consideration Facebook's harmful algorithms. Quote:

Instead, she suggested that lawmakers revise Section 230 to make Facebook responsible for its algorithms, which are used to rank content. In doing that, Haugen thinks the company would get rid of engagement-based ranking, which feeds a cycle of feeding harmful, inflammatory or untrue content to users.

Those last three descriptors of content immediately echo the entire "infodemic" argument. Democrats (like Republicans, just for different reasons) want to mangle or outright kill Section 230. Big Tech wants it also. Now this whisleblower is factoring into that now, too.

 

[northstar747]

88th Circuit Coart of Appeals has found that dumpster fires are the norm in anything that HHH ends up being involved in and if we're going to let him derail threads we can't then lock them for being derailed.

I just wanted to say thank you for rejecting the path Somethingawful took with moderation.

Shitting up and derailing a thread on SA (like shmorky's) became standard trolling tactic.

I still remember how GBS had some mod that just didnt want Epstein talked about at all

 

[Null]

Trombonista has an understandable opinion about vaccine skepticism informed by years of dealing with a literal diaper shitting sperg who socked on pre-Null CWCki Forums hundreds of times a week to spread the good word of how Chris is the product of vaccination.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Trombonista has an understandable opinion about vaccine skepticism informed by years of dealing with a literal diaper shitting sperg who socked on pre-Null CWCki Forums hundreds of times a week to spread the good word of how Chris is the product of vaccination.

That's dumb. Everyone who's anyone knows that it's actually autism that causes vaccines.

 

[EyelessMC]

Trombonista has an understandable opinion about vaccine skepticism informed by years of dealing with a literal diaper shitting sperg who socked on pre-Null CWCki Forums hundreds of times a week to spread the good word of how Chris is the product of vaccination.

lol what a nightmare. I appreciate you trying to bring understanding into the picture and that does sound like a pain in the ass to have had to deal with. That said, that would have been over eight years ago by now, in a completely different context and didn't have a deluge of factual information regarding a specific vax and specific subject. Also thankfully no one here is shitting diapers.
If Trombonista has PTSD about it then he shouldn't be looking at threads involving the subject of vaccination in general. That'd be like me looking at threads where people speak passionately about socialism or abortion. It'd just be:

 

[Null]

If Trombonista has PTSD about it then he shouldn't be looking at threads involving the subject of vaccination in general. That'd be like me looking at threads where people speak passionately about socialism or abortion. It'd just be:

Trombonista is a moderator and is welcome to read any thread she pleases on this site.

 

[Jan_Hus]

Also thankfully no one here is shitting diapers.

I admire the optimism.

 

[EyelessMC]

Trombonista is a moderator and is welcome to read any thread she pleases on this site.

Absolutely. I was simply replying to what you said about her misgivings about all vaccine skepticism, which I took to be the reason for her misapprehension of the thread's intention and subject matter.

 

[CryptoHermit]

One only needs to look through the scandals all these megacorps get into constantly to be justified in being skeptical of all this fearmongering and drive to vaccinate people as much as possible. That Australian health minister who was a complete tyrant was recently indicted on corruption where pfizer were gifting her millions in donations. I wonder how common this is around the world right now?

Pfizer Hit with Largest Criminal Fine in US History - FindLaw

Drug maker Pfizer, Inc. and one of its subsidiaries have agreed to pay $2.3 billion dollars to settle civil and criminal charges regarding its marketing of the drug Bextra. The criminal portion of the fine is the largest fine ever levied by the United States government for any matter. As part of...

www.findlaw.com

 

[Israel did nothing wrong]

One only needs to look through the scandals all these megacorps get into constantly to be justified in being skeptical of all this fearmongering and drive to vaccinate people as much as possible. That Australian health minister who was a complete tyrant was recently indicted on corruption where pfizer were gifting her millions in donations. I wonder how common this is around the world right now?

You can buy a scientist for the same amount as you can a politician. It seems that over time people forgot that it's megacorps and governments working together to fuck the average citizen raw, rather they think it's the other side responsible. Shame.

 

[EyelessMC]

One only needs to look through the scandals all these megacorps get into constantly to be justified in being skeptical of all this fearmongering and drive to vaccinate people as much as possible. That Australian health minister who was a complete tyrant was recently indicted on corruption where pfizer were gifting her millions in donations. I wonder how common this is around the world right now?

Pfizer Hit with Largest Criminal Fine in US History - FindLaw

Drug maker Pfizer, Inc. and one of its subsidiaries have agreed to pay $2.3 billion dollars to settle civil and criminal charges regarding its marketing of the drug Bextra. The criminal portion of the fine is the largest fine ever levied by the United States government for any matter. As part of...

www.findlaw.com

And here I thought the the scandal of their lethal philanthropic drug trial in Nigeria was the only instance of major fines. Thanks for the info. More to the point on this matter, though, is that by the government, media and major institutions broad-brushing the Covid vaccine subject alongside all vaccination it creates a cascading effect of suspicion which ultimately leads to unmerited wariness, if not outright antagonism toward, vaccines as a whole.

Even disregarding the conniving nature of Big Pharma the science regarding the Covid vaccines is not only continually being shown contrary to what was promised but is even admitted to by the CDC itself every step of the way. There is no reason for anyone to conflate the subject of the Covid vaccines with vaccines in general, and there's always studies looking into autism and vaccines if people are interested in that. This thread is not for that and it's explicit about its motivation and focus from the first line of the OP.

But sometimes prior experiences cause misunderstandings, among other things, particularly what is being trumpeted on a daily basis over radio, TV and the net: anyone who is wary of or against the Covid vaccines is "anti-vax". If someone was to aquiesce to this messaging then they would naturally believe that any discussion which conveys the Covid vaccines in a negative light would also somehow be conveying all vaccines in a negative light. Those presupposed misgivings can be redirected without even realizing it, and in some people (like my friend I mentioned previously who got it for his job and got angry) is burgeons hostility towards anyone speaking contrary to the vaccines.

Similarly you have people swinging in the opposite direction, saying they'll never get another vaccination again or that all vaccines are cancer, etc. This is actual anti-vax mentality and it's happening as a direct response to the suffocating Covid vaccine mandates and messaging--which itself vehemently censors and attacks even the most factual information contrary to it. The more you push people in a direction, the more they will push in the opposite direction. Isn't that reflected in how elections often go, typically swinging one way for an election cycle before swinging to the other?

TL;DR I hope everyone reads the OP and not just the thread title before they come into the thread with misunderstandings.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Updated the OP and MEGA with the recent Section 230 "medical misinformation" article and this one, which is even more important:
View attachment 2612699 Turns out the Facebook Whistleblower is also championing Section 230 reform. I haven't kept up with that whole fiasco but let's remember that Section 230 was in Facebook's crosshairs, too. Check the OP and you'll find an article about Zuckerburg and Google's CEO both agreeing to and even encouraging the reform of 230. The whistleblower here is also encouraging it, but specifically to somehow take into consideration Facebook's harmful algorithms. Quote:

Those last three descriptors of content immediately echo the entire "infodemic" argument. Democrats (like Republicans, just for different reasons) want to mangle or outright kill Section 230. Big Tech wants it also. Now this whisleblower is factoring into that now, too.

You still haven't told us what your credentials are? You spazed out about me not having credentials to talk about vaccine safety, so what are your credentials?

 

[Status-6.]

if anybody wants to watch a bunch of German doctors talking and looking at strange stuff they found while looking at covid vaccines under the microscope heres a video for you.
skip to 1:27:10.

Cause of death after COVID-19 vaccination & Undeclared components of the COVID-19 vaccines

https://pathologie-konferenz.de/en/

odysee.com

 

[CreamyHerman’s]

You still haven't told us what your credentials are? You spazed out about me not having credentials to talk about vaccine safety, so what are your credentials?

Hello, I am a big fan of your work in IT administration. I was wondering if I should move away from a MAN and join a WAN for fiber utilization. Should I pull the trigger? Since I'm sure you have the credentials

 

[Gay Mouth]

I don’t personally like the shrug of “everyone who died was fat or old” - because it’s pretty much true, but I don’t believe everyone who’s fat or old deserves to die, and I really dislike how callous everyone has become on both sides of the aisle. No, it’s not funny or irrelevant if you died of the coof because you’re out of shape, geriatric, or had a serious comorbidity. It’s also not funny if you died while unvaccinated (and fat or old). With that out of the way I’ll put in my expirience.

Spoiler: Russian Novel

I got the kung flu in January. I got the sniffles, got tested, it was positive, so I stayed home locked up with my husband for two weeks. We got groceries delivered and just holed up for 14 days. I got all the symptoms successively, one after the other: sore throat, coughing, sneezing, congestion, loss of smell and taste, body aches, and finally shortness of breath. I was fully recovered by day ten. My husbands symptoms lagged behind mine, starting two days after me and ending two days after me.

I ate spicy soup, I like to eat really spicy food when I’m sick to ‘burn out’ my congestion, so I barely noticed the loss of taste and smell until I ate something bland. We used tons of Vit C, this great Vick’s flu therapy tea which is like a honey & lemon powder with 500mg of tylenol and pine vapor. The worst symptom was the body aches, which I had for about two days. My muscles and bones just felt crampy, like really bad lactic acid buildup. The shortness of breath was weird, it was day 8 of 10 and it was like I had to remind myself to inhale every now and then. Overall for me it was a middling flu, and felt exactly like one aside from the shortness of breath.

I’m young and relatively healthy, but technically I’m a ‘vulnerable demographic’. I was sickly as a child, had my tonsils removed, and got frequent sinus infections (that stopped when I stopped taking the flu shot).

TL;DR- I got it and recovered fine.

 

[mr.moon1488]

Trombonista has an understandable opinion about vaccine skepticism informed by years of dealing with a literal diaper shitting sperg who socked on pre-Null CWCki Forums hundreds of times a week to spread the good word of how Chris is the product of vaccination.

Insanity, everyone knows it was the Fanta.

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

Insanity, everyone knows it was the Fanta.

Explains German humor.

 

[EyelessMC]

So Pfizer is again pushing for kids to be vaccinated, this time as young as 5 years old.

If these two articles and their dates being less than two weeks apart gives the impression that Pfizer is rushing toward emergency approval to cut red tape in distributing more vaccine, and if such a notion reminds you of what transpired when they did something similar to get kids as young as 16yrs old vaccinated, then you might be seeing patterns in Pfizer's behavior. Whether those patterns are there or not is entirely up to observable reality you.

Spoiler: Do YOU member? I member...

Let's not forget the initial rush to vaccinate kids as young as 12. Let's not forget the reassurances that everything was perfectly safe. Let's not forget the CDC's VaST committee's sudden investigation into the almost immediate influx of heart inflammation reports among vaccinated teenagers (16yrs old) and adults after approval. Let's not forget the CDC's resultant conclusion that the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines do and can cause Myocarditis and Pericarditis even in 16yr olds.

You can find all of this in the OP under the "Science" section, which is the most robust section in the OP and in the Archival Post (hyperlinked in the OP).

 

[Ebonic Tutor]

I just wanted to say thank you for rejecting the path Somethingawful took with moderation.

Shitting up and derailing a thread on SA (like shmorky's) became standard trolling tactic.

I still remember how GBS had some mod that just didnt want Epstein talked about at all

It was probably cause it was adjacent to Pizzagate and they couldn't stand the idea of anybody actually being right about it even though similar shit done happened in Britain and got covered up with Jimmy Saville. Also we know SA and it's mod's proclivities.

Additionally I've been hearing the young as 5 for Pfizer for a while now, despite the problems it's had in other countries and even here with giving young people heart issues.