Are you getting the vaccine? - Absolute trashfire thread, please enter with caution

[Ponzo]

If you dropped hundreds of millions of people out of planes with parachutes, quite a few would die.

Your posts are proving how completely inept you are at statistics and it's hilarious. If a vaccine is even 99% effective and you vaccinated 200 million people, that would still mean 2 million people would get it and be able to spread it. And due to our news cycle, you'd only hear about those 2 million people, not the 298 million people. Now, again, I know you anti-vax spazes have a well-deserved reputation for being inept at math and statistics, but you're really proving it here. Thank you for helping prove the stereotypes about you guys.

Most people getting covid are in fact unvaccinated. And again, I know you have autism and thus can't comprehend anything that isn't 0% or 100%, but ask your case worker to help you with that.

Again, retard, how many breakthrough cases of polio or smallpox do you see? How many of your vaccinated friends ended up in a wheelchair from polio?

There are vaccines that took decades to make and are working and then there are covid jabs that were rushed for profit and were handed out like candy with an EUA.

Lol Sweden had way more deaths per capita than their Nordic neighbors. Again, I know you are going to ignore this info because it doesn't suit your narrative and thus it gives you prickly wicklies, but that's how it is. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1113834/cumulative-coronavirus-deaths-in-the-nordics/

Why only nordic neighbors? Because otherwise it would completely ruin your narrative? Italy, UK, USA, France, Belgium, all countries with strict lockdowns that had far worse per capita deaths.

COVID-19 deaths per capita by country | Statista

COVID deaths worldwide were highest in Peru, topping a list that compares deaths per million in 206 countries worldwide.

www.statista.com

PROTIP: Look at the date of that tweet. Again, I know you are inept at how science works, but scientists change their stance as new data comes in. If they were like you and refused to ever change their mind as new data comes in, they'd never change their stances and we'd still think the universe was geocentric and that disease was caused by humors being out of whack.

I have no idea how you are still completely unable to read what I write. I have to write the same things over and over again because your debilitating autism is so bad that you just can't comprehend the very simple things I am writing.

Because you are trying to spin and lie your way out of facts. If you can still get and spread the virus it is not effective. Does not matter if only 10% or 20% can get it. I have never heard of a pox vaccinated person spreading the pox to a unvaccinated person. You see it on a huge scale with the covid jabs. You want to know the stats for the pox vax?

"since 1995, only 11 healthy vaccinated people have been documented as spreading vaccine virus to 13 unvaccinated persons."

So spare me your pseudo science, people like you are tribalist assholes who accept nothing besides "yes daddy jab me"

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Again, retard, how many breakthrough cases of polio or smallpox do you see? How many of your vaccinated friends ended up in a wheelchair from polio?

There are vaccines that took decades to make and are working and then there are covid jabs that were rushed for profit and were handed out like candy with an EUA.

Polio and smallpox vaccine were not 100% effective, but the number of people vaccinated against them is way higher (well, not smallpox anymore because it's eradicated due to vaccines). And that's because of anti-vax spazes like you who refuse to believe that maybe, just maybe, scientists know more about this than uneducated retards like you who hate scientists.

When you have 40% of the population that acts as disease reservoirs because they're retarded enough to believe boomer anti-vax memes on Facebook, of course that's gonna happen.

Now, let me ask you... do you actually believe something that is 80% effective is 0% effective? Because that is literally what you are arguing right now.

Why only nordic neighbors? Because otherwise it would completely ruin your narrative? Italy, UK, USA, France, Belgium, all countries with strict lockdowns that had far worse per capita deaths.

COVID-19 deaths per capita by country | Statista

COVID deaths worldwide were highest in Peru, topping a list that compares deaths per million in 206 countries worldwide.

www.statista.com

You can't compare countries against countries with totally different cultures. I know it's hard for you to understand, but different countries have different cultures and behavior and such, so you need to compare them against countries with similar cultures. Sweden did way worse than their Nordic neighbors. Again, sorry this kills your narrative, but maybe, just maybe, scientists know more about this than your boomer uncle on Facebook.

Because you are trying to spin and lie your way out of facts. If you can still get and spread the virus it is not effective. Does not matter if only 10% or 20% can get it. I have never heard of a pox vaccinated person spreading the pox to a unvaccinated person. You see it on a huge scale with the covid jabs. You want to know the stats for the pox vax?

"since 1995, only 11 healthy vaccinated people have been documented as spreading vaccine virus to 13 unvaccinated persons."

So spare me your pseudo science, people like you are tribalist assholes who accept nothing besides "yes daddy jab me"

Do you not know what herd immunity is? Again, the amount of people vaccinated against varicella is way higher than the amount vaccinated against covid. Varicella vaccine is indeed more effective than the covid vaccine, I do agree, but as newer generation covid vaccines come out, that should get better.

However, since you claim that anything that isn't 100% effective is ineffective, you also think the varicella vaccine is ineffective, right? I mean, that's what you're arguing with the covid vaccine. Then again, you also are gullible enough to believe Russian anti-vax propaganda because you hate scientists, so I should expect you to do some fancy logic jumping on this

Look, I know your parents coddled you due to your autism, but it's okay to admit that people who have devoted their entire career to studying a subject know more about said subject than you do. I am very willing to admit that a doctor knows more about a virus than I do. You are a narcissist with an ego the size of the galaxy, though, so you are unable to do this.

 

[Ponzo]

Polio and smallpox vaccine were not 100% effective, but the number of people vaccinated against them is way higher (well, not smallpox anymore because it's eradicated due to vaccines). And that's because of anti-vax spazes like you who refuse to believe that maybe, just maybe, scientists know more about this than uneducated retards like you who hate scientists.

When you have 40% of the population that acts as disease reservoirs because they're retarded enough to believe boomer anti-vax memes on Facebook, of course that's gonna happen.

Now, let me ask you... do you actually believe something that is 80% effective is 0% effective? Because that is literally what you are arguing right now.

Lmao you always bring up the same scapegoats when its urban blacks and latinos who are also refusing the jab. You were literally told by your scientists that life will go back to normal when you get the jab and that you can't get covid anymore, how did that turn out?

You can't compare countries against countries with totally different cultures. I know it's hard for you to understand, but different countries have different cultures and behavior and such, so you need to compare them against countries with similar cultures. Sweden did way worse than their Nordic neighbors. Again, sorry this kills your narrative, but maybe, just maybe, scientists know more about this than your boomer uncle on Facebook.

Imagine thinking that all nordic countries share the same culture, did you even leave your state let alone travel outside the US?

Sweden is part of the European Union, Norway for example is not. There is no "cultural" difference when it comes to COVID protocol but your retarded spazzing brain will pull shit out of his ass to try and deflect. The shit you wrote there should disqualify from giving anyone advice.

Do you not know what herd immunity is? Again, the amount of people vaccinated against varicella is way higher than the amount vaccinated against covid. Varicella vaccine is indeed more effective than the covid vaccine, I do agree, but as newer generation covid vaccines come out, that should get better.

However, since you claim that anything that isn't 100% effective is ineffective, you also think the varicella vaccine is ineffective, right? I mean, that's what you're arguing with the covid vaccine. Then again, you also are gullible enough to believe Russian anti-vax propaganda because you hate scientists, so I should expect you to do some fancy logic jumping on this

Look, I know your parents coddled you due to your autism, but it's okay to admit that people who have devoted their entire career to studying a subject know more about said subject than you do. I am very willing to admit that a doctor knows more about a virus than I do. You are a narcissist with an ego the size of the galaxy, though, so you are unable to do this.

A looky here, the "covid lockdowns are great" guy is now talking about herd immunity.

There is a gigantic difference between infecting a dozen people over 25+ years and hundreds of thousands of "breakthrough cases" that are so bad that the CDC director tells you to wear a mask if you visit your grandparents. Thats how confident she is in the jab she promotes.

Do you think everyone got the small pox jab at day 1? Shouldnt there have been countless "breakthrough cases" as well in the years after?

Please, do some critical thinking, Talking to you is destroying my confidence in humanity.

 

[HunterHearstHelmsley]

For a real look at Covid, use Case Fatality Rates (CFR). Number of people infected/probable infection and divide by the of deaths.

CFR is based on confirmed positive cases, not infections. You’re trying to big league us with a bush league level of understanding.

It means (if you use these stats) that 1 in a 1000 will die of Covid if we vaccinate.
But if Not vaccinated it will be 2 in a thousand.

That means your chances of NOT dying from Covid if vaccinated improve 200%.

Another way of saying this is that a vaccine has a 1 in 2,000 (edit: 1 in 1,000, maybe I am a fucking idiot) chance of saving your life.

Ivermectin has clinical studies proving its safety, decades of them. Your wonderjabs earliest is done in 2022.

Lol no it doesn't. The data was literally made up. https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58170809

Ivermectin has been FDA approved since 1969 and was prescribed hundreds of millions of times. It is a safe drug with countless studies proving its safety.

That's not the point, though. It doesn't work against covid, which is the whole damn point. Stop changing the goal posts. No one is saying it's unsafe, they're saying it doesn't work for covid and the studies showing it worked had made up data (shown in the link I posted).

What a retarded argument.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Lmao you always bring up the same scapegoats when its urban blacks and latinos who are also refusing the jab. You were literally told by your scientists that life will go back to normal when you get the jab and that you can't get covid anymore, how did that turn out?

Lol they were wrong because of anti-vax spazes like you who believe boomer Facebook memes over scientists. In the US, the vaccination rate isn't much between different ethnic groups: https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-cov...a-on-covid-19-vaccinations-by-race-ethnicity/

Overall, across these 43 states, the percent of White people who have received at least one COVID-19 vaccine dose (54%) was 1.2 times higher than the rate for Black people (46%) and 1.1 times higher than the rate for Hispanic people (51%) as of October 4, 2021.

They only mention 43 states, but it's probably similar.

Now, I know you are an imbecile with a very low IQ who doesn't understand statistics, so the chart they show in that link is the total population, so it shows other ethnic groups as lower because they also represent a lower percentage of the total population.

Imagine thinking that all nordic countries share the same culture, did you even leave your state let alone travel outside the US?

Sweden is part of the European Union, Norway for example is not. There is no "cultural" difference when it comes to COVID protocol but your retarded spazzing brain will pull shit out of his ass to try and deflect. The shit you wrote there should disqualify from giving anyone advice.

The reason you have to use similar countries is because of population density, culture, behavior, etc... The fact you can't see this yet you think you are smarter than scientists is fucking hilarious.

A looky here, the "covid lockdowns are great" guy is now talking about herd immunity.

Considering you don't even know what herd immunity is, that's really cute coming from you.

There is a gigantic difference between infecting a dozen people over 25+ years and hundreds of thousands of "breakthrough cases" that are so bad that the CDC director tells you to wear a mask if you visit your grandparents. Thats how confident she is in the jab she promotes.

Except, again, the number of vaccinated is still lower because of retards like you who believe you know more about a subject than people who have devoted their lives to studying it. I wish I was as arrogant as you, it must be nice to feel that intelligent when you're actually a frothing retard. I admit that the covid vaccine is not as effective as smallpox, etc.. but those vaccines have also been around longer. The effective rate of the first polio vaccine for polio type 1 was lower than the covid vaccine effectiveness (it was 60-70%): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccine#1950–1955

The results of the field trial were announced 12 April 1955 (the tenth anniversary of the death of President Franklin D. Roosevelt, whose paralytic illness was generally believed to have been caused by polio). The Salk vaccine had been 60–70% effective against PV1 (poliovirus type 1), over 90% effective against PV2 and PV3, and 94% effective against the development of bulbar polio.

I guess the first polio vaccine was 100% ineffective because some inept retard on Kiwi Farms with crippling autism says that if something isn't 100% effective, it's 0% effective

Do you think everyone got the small pox jab at day 1? Shouldnt there have been countless "breakthrough cases" as well in the years after?

Please, do some critical thinking, Talking to you is destroying my confidence in humanity.

You still didn't answer my question and are redirecting it as usual. You legitimately believe something that isn't 100% effective is 0% effective. Thus, you're arguing that every vaccine ever, seat belts, ever medicine ever, etc are ineffective.

Just admit you hate scientists because they give you prickly wicklies by being smarter than you at a subject. But don't lie and say the vaccines are "ineffective" because I have clearly shown to you they are not ineffective.

 

[infamousbeing]

wow these votes are oddly even

 

[MadStan]

CFR is based on confirmed positive cases, not infections. You’re trying to big league us with a bush league level of understanding.


Another way of saying this is that a vaccine has a 1 in 2,000 (edit: 1 in 1,000, maybe I am a fucking idiot) chance of saving your life.








What a retarded argument.

Still having trouble with finding statistics?

If you are trying to find one that leans towards your argument that the vaccine is pointless, you won't find it. Except on your Gov's Cards at press conferences.

I was wondering, do you have any statistics for your horse De-wormer? Or is that all just hype too?

Do tell us the amazing studies behind the de-wormer and what we can look forward to if a retard like yourself was actually allowed into the CDC and approved it as a treatment.

Perhaps also you could tell us the latest on Trump's much sought after and prized UV light injection system to kill the virus.

Eagerly awaiting.

 

[HunterHearstHelmsley]

If you are trying to find one that leans towards your argument that the vaccine is pointless, you won't find it. Except on your Gov's Cards at press conferences.

People’s misgivings about the vaccine relate primarily to the unknown long-term side effects of a novel vaccine technology, paired with the political-media establishment’s willingness to lie and mislead.

I’ve looked at the statistics, the vaccines are as effective as they are claimed to be. I am genuinely concerned that short-term adverse events are underreported/ reporting is suppressed by zealots, but I couldn’t imagine it being beyond 1 order of magnitude greater than reported.

The risk differential for my demographic is very small. Prima facie it favours vaccination, but in my own personal risk evaluation the unknown long-term risks posed by a novel technology are sufficient to outweigh the minuscule level of absolute protection provided by a vaccine. If I was obese, had a morbidity, or over 45 then my personal risk evaluation would favour vaccination.

As the vaccines do not provide sterilising immunity, “get it to stop transmission” argument falls flat.

I was wondering, do you have any statistics for your horse De-wormer? Or is that all just hype too?

There’s a good one out of Egypt which was funded by the US CDC. They investigated the use of Ivermectin as a prophylactic. They found good effectiveness of Ivermectin at preventing infection of household contacts. The major flaw in this study is the dosages weren’t discussed in-depth and the control arm was 100 versus 200 in the treatment arm (out of ethics concerns). IVM META also has a large number of Ivermectin studies linked, for your viewing pleasure.

I’ve actually never taken Iverectin, as I haven’t had one of the many conditions for which it is prescribed to humans to treat.

I think the most interesting thing about the Ivermectin hate is that the scientific data is no worse than for Remdesivir (arguably better), yet Remdesivir has had a bloody big shake of the sauce bottle and Ivermectin gets left in the corner. Merck recommending against using Ivermectin to treat COVID gets touted as proof it doesn’t work, while ignoring that they were developing a $700 treatment the whole time. (Ivermectin is much much much cheaper than $700).

 

[Israel did nothing wrong]

Don't take the horse paste lest this happen to you

 

[CreamyHerman’s]

View attachment 2615572

Don't take the horse paste lest this happen to you

This is so sad, I think we should ban this horse dewormer for everything

 

[MadStan]

I gotta ask you PONZO, what is it we are even discussing anymore?

I see people throwing around statistics and in the fog, I don't even know why. Is there a narrative either I or you have that is being debated?

I thought the thread was about the premise that the vaccine is effective at preventing serious infection of Covid.

 

[AnOminous]

A relative of mine is jabbed and still got the coof while on vacation. It was bad enough she was bedridden for a while. So much for prevention.

Anecdotes are not data.

I thought the thread was about the premise that the vaccine is effective at preventing serious infection of Covid.

Which it is. Just like seat belts and air bags are effective at reducing fatalities in auto accidents, even though some people die despite having both.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Which it is. Just like seat belts and air bags are effective at reducing fatalities in auto accidents, even though some people die despite having both.

Thinking things that aren't 100% are 0% is a tell-tale sign of autism: https://www.psychedconsult.com/no-room-for-gray-here/

Black and white, also known as polarized thinking patterns, are ways of thinking that just make sense to people with ASD. Individuals on the spectrum struggle with the nuances and non-verbal gestures and communication that exist in interpersonal interactions and communication standards that may come more naturally to others.

For example, anything lower than a 100% on a math quiz = failure. And, that’s even if the actual grade earned is a 97%.

 

[Car Won't Crank]

Anecdotes are not data.

It's a data point for me since it's personal. Doesn't have to be for you.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

This thread still going? This is a level of focus previously unseen in NPCs.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

Thinking things that aren't 100% are 0% is a tell-tale sign of autism: https://www.psychedconsult.com/no-room-for-gray-here/

So tell your vaccine lunatics that we don't need to take some 50% luck shot to get out of the gestapo.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Hulk is just angry because he's already on his fifth booster shot but yet still incapable of achieving an erection.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

Hulk is just angry because he's already on his fifth booster shot but yet still incapable of achieving an erection.

Being a ragey little bitch gets him on, being laughed at by others finishes the job.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Being a ragey little bitch gets him on, being laughed at by others finishes the job.

He used to be able to get a semi by concentrating on his Reddit karma, but now even that doesn't work. That's why he's filled with impotent rage.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

He used to be able to get a semi by concentrating on his Reddit karma, but now even that doesn't work. That's why he's filled with impotent rage.

I see you're still upset that you lost your life savings to a pump and dump scheme on 4chan so you're tardraging about me still. You need to listen to the Hulkster and not believe every conspiracy you read on the internet. You right-wingers with crippling autism are indeed more gullible and susceptible to being scammed, but just be a bit more skeptical, friend.

Being a ragey little bitch gets him on, being laughed at by others finishes the job.

lol calm down. Sorry me pointing out how you have severe autism symptoms enrages you so much, son.