Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Getting tard comed]

As we've seen in just about every single court case in the world on this matter, despite the sheer avalanche of people against it, they are still going to allow the petition/allow the mandate.

In almost every court case in the US mandates have lost and they have had to include exemptions. Idk what courts you're paying attention to.

Side note: it just clicked with me that the people I know under 30 have almost uniformally been complaining about aches and pains, and ibs in some cases have all been jabbed and were all jabbed 4-6+ months ago.

 

[PFM]

I seem to remember in spring 2020 being told there was a certain pain medication we shouldn't take because it makes COVID symptoms worse or something. It *may* have been Aspirin but I have no idea. I do definitely remember that going around though.

I distinctly remember at the start of all this they were saying NSAID's would somehow make the inflammation worse

 

[jje100010001]

Thoughts?

Using molecular modeling approaches, we show that enhancing antibodies have a higher affinity for Delta variants than for Wuhan/D614G NTDs. We show that enhancing antibodies reinforce the binding of the spike trimer to the host cell membrane by clamping the NTD to lipid raft microdomains. This stabilizing mechanism may facilitate the conformational change that induces the demasking of the receptor binding domain. As the NTD is also targeted by neutralizing antibodies, our data suggest that the balance between neutralizing and facilitating antibodies in vaccinated individuals is in favor of neutralization for the original Wuhan/D614G strain. However, in the case of the Delta variant, neutralizing antibodies have a decreased affinity for the spike protein, whereas facilitating antibodies display a strikingly increased affinity.

Thus, ADE may be a concern for people receiving vaccines based on the original Wuhan strain spike sequence (either mRNA or viral vectors).

Infection-enhancing anti-SARS-CoV-2 antibodies recognize both the original Wuhan/D614G strain and Delta variants. A potential risk for mass vaccination? - PubMed

Antibody dependent enhancement (ADE) of infection is a safety concern for vaccine strategies. In a recent publication, Li et al. (Cell 184 :4203-4219, 2021) have reported that infection-enhancing antibodies directed against the N-terminal domain (NTD) of the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein facilitate...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Wish I could access the paper to give it a read though.

 

[Yeeted Teet]

I distinctly remember at the start of all this they were saying NSAID's would somehow make the inflammation worse

Ibuprofen has previously been linked to worse cases of ordinary colds, I don't know if any research was specifically done on covid and it was too early for that at the time it was being said anyway.

Cough and cold patients advised not to take Ibuprofen | Nursing Times

They found ibuprofen, or a combination of both ibuprofen and paracetamol, provided no advantage to adult patients with respiratory tract infections,

www.nursingtimes.net

 

[borsabil]

I distinctly remember at the start of all this they were saying NSAID's would somehow make the inflammation worse

People were warned not to take Ibuprofen, but to use Paracetamol to treat Covid headaches instead, as Ibuprofen could mess with coagulation and make the disease worse.

It will come as a shock to precisely no one that it turns out Ibuprofen is not only harmless if taken as a pain reliever it may help to prevent micro clotting.

Basically if there's any medication out there that's beneficial and isn't owned by a large pharma company health authorities will warn the public not to use it.

 

[borsabil]

I know the feeling man, you feel so helpless when you've done your reading and digging and people still outright ignore or blow you off.

I wouldn't mind so much if they at least seriously listened to what you had to say and then decided to do what they were going to do anyway but it really is like a cult for some people.

It's worse than that, even when they know that the vaccines don't work they'll still advocate for them.

My wife, who's fully vaxxed, told me today that her friend and her friend's husband have caught Covid and are unwell in hospital. Oh OK so are they vaccinated? Yeah they've both had the double jab. Oh OK so well you think maybe I'm right? Yes maybe but they're better than nothing and they'd have been a lot sicker if they hadn't gotten it. How old are they? Early forties. They fat? No. So how exactly would they have been worse off? I mean they're in hospital.

The only reason she brought it up is that the health department put their kids in foster care which she thinks is terrible as their Aunt offered to look after them.

A work colleague called me a couple of days ago for a welfare check as she was worried about me lol. She told me about a lucky escape she'd had. She was going to break the lockdown rules and visit a close friend but had to call off at the last minute. The friends babysitter caught Covid and passed it to their 2 year old who then passed it to both their parents, she reckons she'd have gotten it if she'd visited. All of them are double vaxxed except the 2 year old. She's still a big believer in the vaccines.

Honestly I think the vaccines have become a kind of social religion. People are taking them because they want 'to do the right thing' and hopefully return to a normal life (ha). From that perspective even if you know the vaccines are useless you'd still want to take it.

 

[Urban Sombrero]

Apologies if this has been posted but those tyrannical old faggots are actually going after your right to freely move about the country:

H.R.4980 - 117th Congress (2021-2022): To direct the Secretary of Homeland Security to ensure that any individual traveling on a flight that departs from or arrives to an airport inside the United States or a territory of the United States is fully v

Summary of H.R.4980 - 117th Congress (2021-2022): To direct the Secretary of Homeland Security to ensure that any individual traveling on a flight that departs from or arrives to an airport inside the United States or a territory of the United States is fully vaccinated against COVID-19, and for...

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I don't get it. I just don't get it. We've heard from the airlines themselves that a plane is the last place you're likely to get sick and they now want you jabbed before you get on the damn thing. What is the goddamn point?

 

[NoSpiceLife]

So date for NSW Supreme Court judgement is in, it's Friday of course, another one for the 15th!

Someone somewhere has got to know what the 15th thing is, there are just way too many things all happening on/by Friday.

In almost every court case in the US mandates have lost and they have had to include exemptions. Idk what courts you're paying attention to.

Side note: it just clicked with me that the people I know under 30 have almost uniformally been complaining about aches and pains, and ibs in some cases have all been jabbed and were all jabbed 4-6+ months ago.

Have they really, they have all ruled in absolutely no mandatory vaccinations? Or have they said, 'well okay we'll let these certain groups have exemptions but everyone else is mandated'?

Thoughts?

Infection-enhancing anti-SARS-CoV-2 antibodies recognize both the original Wuhan/D614G strain and Delta variants. A potential risk for mass vaccination? - PubMed

Antibody dependent enhancement (ADE) of infection is a safety concern for vaccine strategies. In a recent publication, Li et al. (Cell 184 :4203-4219, 2021) have reported that infection-enhancing antibodies directed against the N-terminal domain (NTD) of the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein facilitate...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Wish I could access the paper to give it a read though.

The full pdf is available, it says it on the page, links go to the following:

Infection-enhancing anti-SARS-CoV-2 antibodies recognize both the original Wuhan/D614G strain and Delta variants. A potential risk for mass vaccination?

 

[Puff]

I assume there's some bullshit reason that "there is no fundamental right to bodily autonomy" doesn't immediately and utterly annihilate all laws barring abortion bans.

The right they "discovered" making abortion bans illegal is actually a privacy right.
A privacy right that has not yet been found to exist anywhere besides between a pregnant woman and her doctor.
Only when she's seeking to terminate her pregnancy.

 

[Getting tard comed]

Have they really, they have all ruled in absolutely no mandatory vaccinations? Or have they said, 'well okay we'll let these certain groups have exemptions but everyone else is mandated'?

No, but there hasn't been any rulings over any mandates yet because the court system is slow. In the lawsuits that have been filed almost everyone has had an injunction suspending the mandate or saying that you have to include a religious exemption which literally anyone can use even the clueless atheists in the world.

This is according to Barnes who is following these cases and is involved in quite a few of them. According to him, the anti-mandate side is winning in the courts when they actually get in the room because legally, in the US, they are actually unconstitutional. Who woulda thunk it that a government founded by people who rebelled against their goverment for perceived overreach based a goverment system on the idea the goverment couldn't make you do things.

The problem is the legal system is slow so while they are going to lose its going to take longer than everyone wants it to.

 

[Nique la mere de Macron]

So now our betters are talking about extending the "vaccination" passport through next July. So sorry so French, couldn't find an English-language source yet:

Covid-19 : le recours possible au passe sanitaire pourrait être prolongé jusqu’en juillet 2022, annonce le gouvernement

I would really, REALLY like to know what, if any, economic impact the decision to remove 25% of the population from public life has had. My guess is that if the news on that front were good, it would be plastered all over the papers, teevee, and Internet. But it isn't. Every business owner who I have (politely!) declined to spend money with on the ground that they are enforcing the pass has gotten EXTREMELY huffy about it, even by French standards. Something ain't right.

 

[Ruin]

So now our betters are talking about extending the "vaccination" passport through next July. So sorry so French, couldn't find an English-language source yet:

Covid-19 : le recours possible au passe sanitaire pourrait être prolongé jusqu’en juillet 2022, annonce le gouvernement

I would really, REALLY like to know what, if any, economic impact the decision to remove 25% of the population from public life has had. My guess is that if the news on that front were good, it would be plastered all over the papers, teevee, and Internet. But it isn't. Every business owner who I have (politely!) declined to spend money with on the ground that they are enforcing the pass has gotten EXTREMELY huffy about it, even by French standards. Something ain't right.

Been a while since you frogs chopped off your leader's heads. Might be time for a round 2.

 

[NoSpiceLife]

No, but there hasn't been any rulings over any mandates yet because the court system is slow. In the lawsuits that have been filed almost everyone has had an injunction suspending the mandate or saying that you have to include a religious exemption which literally anyone can use even the clueless atheists in the world.

This is according to Barnes who is following these cases and is involved in quite a few of them. According to him, the anti-mandate side is winning in the courts when they actually get in the room because legally, in the US, they are actually unconstitutional. Who woulda thunk it that a government founded by people who rebelled against their goverment for perceived overreach based a goverment system on the idea the goverment couldn't make you do things.

The problem is the legal system is slow so while they are going to lose its going to take longer than everyone wants it to.

Mandates are thought to be unconstitutional in Australia as well, but that is hotly debated, and ultimately the polies don't appear to give a shit, they are forging ahead, knowing that the judges are all in cahoots with the polies.

Scumo stated quite a few times that there will be no mandatory vaccination in Australia, so he's making the states do his dirty work, and Dictator Dan is off his rocker on power, to the point that Sutton made up some bullshit that the constitution allows for exemptions for judges, mps, etc., as if no one knows what the constitution is, doesn't know how to find it, and doesn't know how to read!

The larger issue we have is that the average Australian doesn't have the money to take this to court, and the lawyers (for the most part) are sitting on their arses, spouting the right words while waiting for the general public to crowd fund the cases, not willing to put their own money where their mouths are.

 

[The Wicked Mitch]

Mandates are thought to be unconstitutional in Australia as well, but that is hotly debated, and ultimately the polies don't appear to give a shit, they are forging ahead, knowing that the judges are all in cahoots with the polies.

Scumo stated quite a few times that there will be no mandatory vaccination in Australia, so he's making the states do his dirty work, and Dictator Dan is off his rocker on power, to the point that Sutton made up some bullshit that the constitution allows for exemptions for judges, mps, etc., as if no one knows what the constitution is, doesn't know how to find it, and doesn't know how to read!

The larger issue we have is that the average Australian doesn't have the money to take this to court, and the lawyers (for the most part) are sitting on their arses, spouting the right words while waiting for the general public to crowd fund the cases, not willing to put their own money where their mouths are.

I was under the impression that the average Australian home was at least $1.2 billion, surely there are plenty of Australians with oodles of equity?

 

[Evilronald]

Want a white pill?

Look at the open townhall on the Virginia Department of Healths website.

https://townhall.virginia.gov/L/comments.cfm?petitionid=352

I’m so sick of these fucking Covid cultists and their obsession with mandating everything. If the vaccine worked, they should be able to go on r/hermancainaward and laugh at the death of all of us rubes who refused it. Instead they become hysterical, almost like they might regret the decision and can’t stand the idea that WE might laugh at them if time shows that not getting vaccinated was right. To be a leftist in today’s America is to make every decision based on doing everything you can so the right cant laugh at you (and making it even funnier when that attempt backfired).

 

[NoSpiceLife]

I was under the impression that the average Australian home was at least $1.2 billion, surely there are plenty of Australians with oodles of equity?

All that equity must be on that tree in my backyard, must set a reminder to check it.

 

[Bibendum]

The right they "discovered" making abortion bans illegal is actually a privacy right.
A privacy right that has not yet been found to exist anywhere besides between a pregnant woman and her doctor.
Only when she's seeking to terminate her pregnancy.

This is why I wish the right would go after the mandates with Roe v. Wade. IANAL but it'd be hilarious and who knows, might even work.

 

[Smug Chuckler]

I’m so sick of these fucking Covid cultists and their obsession with mandating everything. If the vaccine worked, they should be able to go on r/hermancainaward and laugh at the death of all of us rubes who refused it. Instead they become hysterical, almost like they might regret the decision and can’t stand the idea that WE might laugh at them if time shows that not getting vaccinated was right. To be a leftist in today’s America is to make every decision based on doing everything you can so the right cant laugh at you (and making it even funnier when that attempt backfired).

And they made the anti-vax movement that used to be fringe that everyone laughed at a decade ago into a real legit thing. Good job cultists you overplayed your hand.

 

[Elysian]

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[Super-Chevy454]

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WTF is that?! Will they plan to raise the fines to $ 10,000 if that plan don't work?

Remember then some deadline to get a group of employees in healthcare vaccinated for October 15 in another post. Quebec had been forced to delay it to November 15.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/dube-update-health-services-plan-1.6208975

After weeks of insisting Quebec would go ahead and impose a vaccination mandate for health-care workers and suspend those who don't comply without pay, the province's health minister, Christian Dubé, has backtracked and is now giving them an extra month to get adequately vaccinated.

Health-care workers now have until Nov. 15 to get the necessary shots. The original deadline was this Friday.

Currently, 93 per cent of Quebec health-care workers are fully vaccinated, but that still leaves almost 22,000 facing suspension because they have had only a single dose or are unvaccinated. Dubé said the health system wouldn't be able to handle losing so much staff.

He said the decision to push back the vaccination deadline for health-care workers was "difficult," but one that was necessary to avoid "hitting a wall" when it came to providing health-care services to Quebecers.

"I have the responsibility to protect the health-care network of Quebecers," Dubé said during a news conference on Wednesday. "The risk right now is too high, and it would be irresponsible to roll the dice with the health of Quebecers."