Covid/mRNA Vaccine Info General - "Covid Seasonal Flu Vaccines is Society's New Normal" - FDA

[RollerGator]

Nice dodging of the question there. Answer the question, retard

The whole thread is waiting for your qualifications to be the Karen of covid, the jobber of jabs if you will. So far all you've told us is that you're an IT nerd at a hospital.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

The whole thread is waiting for your qualifications to be the Karen of covid, the jobber of jabs if you will. So far all you've told us is that you're an IT nerd at a hospital.

I am still waiting on you to answer my question. You know I am right, which is why you won't answer it

You are just another autistic special-ed high schooler who has the politics of a boomer, which is why you won't admit the boomers who you look up to were wrong about Michelle Obama. Plus, you're a racist retard so you can't admit that a black woman was correct about something

 

[RollerGator]

I am still waiting on you to answer my question. You know I am right, which is why you won't answer it

You are just another autistic special-ed high schooler who has the politics of a boomer, which is why you won't admit the boomers who you look up to were wrong about Michelle Obama. Plus, you're a racist retard so you can't admit that a black woman was correct about something

You're getting pretty off topic here so I'm just going to say that you want to suck that tranny dick again and stop replying to your nonsensical Michelle Obama fanfiction.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

You're getting pretty off topic here so I'm just going to say that you want to suck that tranny dick again and stop replying to your nonsensical Michelle Obama fanfiction.

You seem obsessed with Michelle Obama's dick and are quick to call someone gay as an insult. I think someone is projecting. Something you want to tell us, son?

 

[RollerGator]

Something you want to tell us, son?

The vaccine made hulks penis stop working. Even more than it didn't work in the first place.

Ok last reply.

 

[Nom Carver]

HHH feels like a left-wing clone of this guy I used to be friends with. He was a staunch Q-anon fucktard. The guy legitimately believed in perpetual motion devices, and he would basically argue every little minute thing into oblivion while simultaneously never being able to admit he was wrong, instead just shifting the entire argument to something else until he was 'right'.

I told him "The sky isn't red" and he literally tried to argue with me for half an hour that it was red in infrared so therefore I'm wrong. It's surreal to see HHH engage in the exact same running-in-circles total idiocy.

 

[EyelessMC]

You should always post a link and archive to the actual article. Screenshots of article are not very trustworthy.

I used to do that until the information to archive became too large and we started hitting the character and media limits of the OP. For the sake of expedience and to save on issues I keep the archive link in the images of the articles so people can check it out for themselves. Sometimes an article is too long so I can't fit it all into a single pic and it helps to have the archive link there as well for clarity.

In this case it's all legit though. Here's the original link to the article: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/06/health/covid-vaccine-children-dose.html
and here's an archive: https://archive.md/DhNWz
But for some reason the "correction" bit doesn't show up in the archived version, wtf?

OH! You're absolutely right! I need to change that ASAP! Also I echo the wtf here because I tried re-archiving it and it doesn't suggest it, just goes to the archive. I think this is a perfect example that the easier method we had previously just won't cut it. Gonna have to start posting original and archive links from now on and keeping a look out for discrepancies like this.
Man, it was so much simpler with pics before since we could just upload them to the MEGA link. I suppose I could always post the original link and the archive link into the pics, too. Never did that since original links can be altered or purged, but clearly it needs to be done since alterations can be necessary.

Also, in the OP, in the part about the FDA Stream (17th of September):
- you should mention that Steve Kirsch is not a medical doctor, he's an engineer.
- the presentations where he and others are bringing up vaccination casualties etc are part of the "guest round", it's not people from the actual panel.
- "Their panel of doctors in the stream are disapproving any mandatory use of boosters": where does this actually happen? Again, are you sure you're not mixing up guest speakers and the FDA Panel doctors? Maybe I'm wrong on this because I didn't watch the whole 8 hour stream.

The overall consensus by the end was disapproval of the boosters and I'm certain it was stated in the stream, but until I can find specifics to clip what we do have is the conclusion (boosters not approved for those under 65) and Dr. Kirsch's team. That said, I'll go make the clarifications and corrections about Kirsch and the guest round right now.
This post was a godsend for such a great heads-up. Thanks!

EDIT: I've finished making the edits to the FDA Livestream/Kirsch section and added an article that acts as a counterpoint to the man himself, titled, "This tech millionaire went from covid trial funder to misinformation superspreader After boosting unproven covid drugs and campaigning against vaccines, Steve Kirsch was abandoned by his team of scientific advisers—and left out of a job."
Tried to hyperlink this but the site didn't wanna: https://archive.is/rNZMj/again?url=...re-steve-kirsch-covid-vaccine-misinformation/
As stated in the OP, it's clearly got an "Infodemic" bias and misrepresents certain information about treatment drugs which medical doctors like Dr. Peter McCullough have spoken about. However, if you sift out those parts then you can glean quite a bit from the info and details provided.

Gonna go and make the necessary edit to the NYT child vaccination update in the Science section now.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Confirmed fat piece of shit IT desk jockey who only eats junk food. But from your recent post history looks like the only thing you're hungry for is Michelle Obama's tranny dick!

He only said he's an IT desk jockey at least twice
(Also fantasizes about nurses leaving their husbands for him)

It's also funny how you're terrified of the spike protein from the vaccine, which even you admit is the same from covid itself, yet you aren't at all concerned about the spike protein from covid itself (which, as you admit, is the same), even though in the vaccine it's more controllable.

When the fuck did I say that?

InB4 "You upvoted someone who called me a faggot"

 

[jewelry investor]

he posts but it doesn't match his mood when he posts it.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

He only said he's an IT desk jockey at least twice
(Also fantasizes about nurses leaving their husbands for him)

And you lie about being a biologist. You didn't even know what herd immunity was earlier in this thread, nor how evolution works, nor that there's vaccines that aren't mRNA for covid, nor how math involving percentages work Like I've said, you're either legitimately dangerously unqualified for your job, or you're lying. Your choice.

You legitimately thought that covid only had a 0.00003% death rate. Anyone who has even a 4th grade math education knows how stupid that is. Admit you're lying, chump.

When the fuck did I say that?

InB4 "You upvoted someone who called me a faggot"

You posted stuff in support of that, so yes you did. Or are you now also denying saying that like how you deny everything stupid you say when I call you on it?

Or, if that isn't the case, what are your concerns with the vaccines? Other than you agree with schizos who claim everyone who takes the vaccine will die. Legit question here.

Right here, btw:

Because the Boomers would rather kids get heart inflammation and young women miscarry from the vax than let a mild respiratory virus shave off <5% of their overextended lifespan.
When the former happens, its just acceptable causalities and part and parcel of serving the greater good; when the latter happens its a preventable tragedy that must be avoided at all costs.

You: Spike protein from vaccine is bad, even though it's same thing as covid itself, while spike protein from covid is totally fine and harmless. Totally a real biologist here, folks

I am usually not autistic enough to go through someone's post history, but you always deny saying that kind of shit when called on it. Sorry but your mom buying you a pet turtle doesn't make you a biologist

 

[SCSI]

Welp, this sucks: Tried to use Pastebin as an alternative to archive the text of the OP and even after censoring out our colorful usernames I still get this:
View attachment 2620190
Can't recall there being any offensive language. Put it into a doc and ran through the list of naughty words I knew but couldn't find any. Might be something on my end or Pastebin doesn't want text about Covid or the vaccines. Any ideas for alternatives? I'd prefer to back up all of this stuff as much as possible in case something ever happens, and although the MEGA link is secure I understand people's trepidation on clicking something they might wonder is dolphin porn.

Give rentry a try -- if they allow /pol/ content, I don't think they'll bat an eye at a little Kiwi spice.

Also, on the subject of corporate vaccine mandate news, a Texas judge just issued a restraining order blocking United Airlines from continuing their company mandate. (Archive) The United Airlines CEO flounces and says "this is all in the rearview mirror for us" in a video response. (Archive)

 

[Getwhatyou]

No vaccine. No job for you. Good luck eating plague rats.

 

[jewelry investor]

No vaccine. No job for you. Good luck eating plague rats.

typed with glee

 

[Gar For Archer]

Give rentry a try -- if they allow /pol/ content, I don't think they'll bat an eye at a little Kiwi spice.

Also, on the subject of corporate vaccine mandate news, a Texas judge just issued a restraining order blocking United Airlines from continuing their company mandate. (Archive) The United Airlines CEO flounces and says "this is all in the rearview mirror for us" in a video response. (Archive)

This needs more context. It’s “all in the rearview mirror” because 99.7% of the employees already got vaccinated, so they don’t give a fuck what happens after.

That figure in and of itself is pretty surprising to me, though, considering they’re the third-largest airline in the world and employ around 67,000 people.

 

[SCSI]

This needs more context. It’s “all in the rearview mirror” because 99.7% of the employees already got vaccinated, so they don’t give a fuck what happens after.

That figure in and of itself is pretty surprising to me, though, considering they’re the third-largest airline in the world and employ around 67,000 people.

CEO is also playing cute little word games with that "99.7%" figure -- that number is excluding all employees who've specifically filed for an exemption on some specific grounds. It's still an insanely high compliance rate, though, even taking that into account.

United ready to fire 600 noncompliant employees (Sept 2 (Archive)

United has received requests for vaccine exemptions from employees for religious and medical reasons. Those employees account for less than 3% of the airline's 67,000 U.S. workforce, United officials said.

United down to 232 noncompliant employees (Oct 13) (Archive)

United CEO Scott Kirby and President Brett Hart told employees in a joint memo that more than 99% of its U.S.-based employees, aside from those who submitted for accommodation, have been vaccinated since the airline rolled out its policy on Aug. 6.

 

[Car Won't Crank]

This needs more context. It’s “all in the rearview mirror” because 99.7% of the employees already got vaccinated, so they don’t give a fuck what happens after.

That figure in and of itself is pretty surprising to me, though, considering they’re the third-largest airline in the world and employ around 67,000 people.

Keep in mind UAL is the same airline that also thought it was fine to bloody up a doctor and drag him off the plane for doing nothing.

 

[CreamyHerman’s]

https://mobile.twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/1448478540685463552

Joe Rogan has now buck broken Sanja Gupta

 

[EyelessMC]

Give rentry a try -- if they allow /pol/ content, I don't think they'll bat an eye at a little Kiwi spice.

Also, on the subject of corporate vaccine mandate news, a Texas judge just issued a restraining order blocking United Airlines from continuing their company mandate. (Archive) The United Airlines CEO flounces and says "this is all in the rearview mirror for us" in a video response. (Archive)

Gonna update the OP. Thanks for making my life easier with the original and double links!
This is unreal to me. Firstly, it's a good thing and that's always as welcome as a drop of rain on parched earth. However, it's not like the judge's ruling established something against the mandates or otherwise. It's literally just the judge reinforcing basic American rights. "Hey, stop penalizing your employees for seeking medical and religious exemption." - That's it. That such a basic fundamental function of law would be regarded as a "win" to anyone goes to show how severely we've accelerated down the path of madness.

Still, though, it is a win. Every court ruling in favor of the common man is yet another piece of strength to finally stop this chaos. I wish more employees would start taking their employers to court like these and the hospital workers in Lancaster, Pennsylvania. The more people just roll over the worse it will get.

This needs more context. It’s “all in the rearview mirror” because 99.7% of the employees already got vaccinated, so they don’t give a fuck what happens after.

It has a sort of petty air to it, like "Yeah, you ruled against us but we got to do what we wanted anyway so whatever!". Reminds me of a bratty high school girl.

That figure in and of itself is pretty surprising to me, though, considering they’re the third-largest airline in the world and employ around 67,000 people.

Sadly the grim truth of "the path of least resistance" is not just a meme.

Spoiler: melancholic musing

It really feels horrible to witness what everyone already expected just from a cursory glance of history, that the overwhelming majority in every country would sooner capitulate to just about anything rather than endure the consequences and stand up for themselves. Turns out you don't even need the threat of gulags and rifles to make people just do whatever you tell them. Honestly sets me in a weird mood. The way my friend had spoken to me makes me think he'd literally sooner let them sterilize him than give up his job and find another way to make money with his credentials. Dude is licensed as a repairman and plumber or something. There's just no excuse. People in China are under constant threat of being Black Mariah vanned or disappeared if they get too roudy, and yet in America we have guys who'll goatse themselves just so they don't have discomfort. Just...

https://mobile.twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/1448478540685463552

Joe Rogan has now buck broken Sanja Gupta

I've never had so much fun watching a gorilla buck break a worm. Might as well add this beneath the Joe Rogan clip in the OP.

 

[N hollandicus]

Ive been concerned about the Pfizer shot for some time now. If the science isn't lying, it DOES help reduce the chance of hospitalization and death if infected by covid, but the potential severity of side effects especially in young boys seems a tad too high to be acceptable for a vax that is pushed so hard on the population. Does any other commonly-taken vaccine have as high of a chance of bad side effects as Pfizer and other similar covid vaccines?
In my country we have no choice but to use Pfizer, there are no other options available. That, and there is going to be a two-class system due to the introduction of covid certificates, mandates, etc. Honestly I am more concerned about political overreach over this whole covid/vaccine fiasco than the vaccine itself.

Aside from the serious side effects like perimyocarditis, why does the pfizer vax cause such a long lasting pain in the muscles? Does the contents of the vaccine break down tissue or something? Because I got my first vax about 5 days ago and my arm still feels like it has experienced internal bleeding or trauma and hasn't recovered yet, like a deep bruise that covers a large area. By what mechanism does the vaccine cause such damage in the muscle tissue? I get yearly flu vaccinations and have had plenty of other jabs, none of which have causes such a long lasting soreness. Some sources online say that it is just the body causing inflammation in reaction to the virus proteins, but then why haven't other vaccines done this for me?

Edit: Also just heard on the local radio of our Health Minister saying "If you catch covid you are VERY LIKELY to get VERY SICK and end up in HOSPITAL". Isn't it more likely that people just get flu symptoms that dont require hospitalization, not to mention some proportion of the population dont get symptoms at all? I do agree that it can be very scary to be hospitalized with severe covid symptoms but i don't think these make up the majority of cases like the country's health minister seems to imply. Its always lying and fearmongering....

 

[EyelessMC]

Ive been concerned about the Pfizer shot for some time now. If the science isn't lying, it DOES help reduce the chance of hospitalization and death if infected by covid, but the potential severity of side effects especially in young boys seems a tad too high to be acceptable for a vax that is pushed so hard on the population. Does any other commonly-taken vaccine have as high of a chance of bad side effects as Pfizer and other similar covid vaccines?

Nothing in the way of what we're seeing regarding heart inflammation, at least not that I know of.

Spoiler: On Vaccines and Covid

Adverse effects can arise from many different vaccines, even those presumed to be the safest. Anything from severe fever to permanent neurological damage. See, vaccines are normally as subject to allergy as anything else the body is exposed to, and that's why VAERS and other adverse event reporting programs exist. It's also why the CDC in the USA and other similar agencies have committees dedicated to verifying and researching these reports of adverse events. By doing so they can gather who is most at risk for/most available for certain vaccines and people can, with their God given autonomy, choose whether or not to get themselves or their kids vaccinated based on the resultant information provided.

Spoiler: slightly off-topic

By the way this is also what caused such a ruckus about vaccines and autism, since certain kinds of vaccine were showing different effects in between different age ranges, race and sexes. The CDC even did a study on this and, despite controversy, it ultimately showed that there was a reason to be cautious about demographics and when/how to administer vaccines. However many people took the reasonable concern too far (while others like Bill Gates advised heavily against even investigating any issues) and went full-tilt into anti-vax territory. Sadly that's why there are people today who are afraid of giving birth in a hospital, because they're so afraid they believe their healthy baby could be vaxxed mentally retarded by medical staff before they even wake up. Many even avoid doctors altogether, much to their and their childrens' detriment. Then there's others who think the vax has nanobots in them but those are just genuinely crazy people.

No one really paid much attention to this before Covid since, well, it's not like people were being forced en masse to get a jab that was rush-developed by companies seemingly hellbent on jamming it through to full approval for all ages. I don't even think most vaccines are administered for age ranges as old as 75+ and young as 5yrs old. They certainly aren't enforced by mandates like the Covid ones.

For the Covid vaccines in particular, the major problem is their ineffectiveness compared to what was previously trumpeted only six months ago and their increasing danger of heart inflammation -- myocarditis and pericarditis in particular. That, plus the fact that we have no long-term testing for them like any other vaccine ever made AND that real world study is proving the aforementioned ineffectiveness with regards to stopping viral spread/infection (and joined with the refusal to expose them to critique for fear of making people "vaccine hesitant" or being labeled "anti-vax") is proving to be a wholly unique subject in the field of immunology and vaccinations.

TL;DR Although vaccines can cause horrible damage it was always a rarity and depended on what the vaccine was, how/when it was administered and especially the patient's genetic make-up and health history. We knew more about the vaccines before they got into the arm and had rigorous testing and reporting measures in place. With the Covid vaccines we know less about the vax then we do about Covid or any of its rising variants. There is more consistent information on offer for the public about the virus(es), their function and consequences than about the effectiveness, let alone adverse effects, of the Covid jabs, and the global enforcement of vaccinating literally everyone of almost every age range is only making it worse, leading to countries outright halting certain forms of the Covid jab (namely Moderna for now).

Spoiler: more reply

In my country we have no choice but to use Pfizer, there are no other options available. That, and there is going to be a two-class system due to the introduction of covid certificates, mandates, etc. Honestly I am more concerned about political overreach over this whole covid/vaccine fiasco than the vaccine itself.

Everyone who isn't a demoralized pod person feels the same, even people who are pro-Covid vax, when being sincere and not bantering for fun, are against the mandates and messaging of the governments. I'm sorry to hear your country has such a problem. I wish more people would recognize the situation of other countries like yours. If Americans alone could see that, maybe they could find the spine and brain to stand up for themselves. If America then changed away from the mandates then other countries might follow suit, especially since Pfizer is American-based and fully endorsed (FDA approval).

Aside from the serious side effects like perimyocarditis, why does the pfizer vax cause such a long lasting pain in the muscles? Does the contents of the vaccine break down tissue or something? Because I got my first vax about 5 days ago and my arm still feels like it has experienced internal bleeding or trauma and hasn't recovered yet, like a deep bruise that covers a large area. By what mechanism does the vaccine cause such damage in the muscle tissue?

It might just be a side effect or it might've been injected awkwardly. I don't know specifics but I did hear that bruising (which is normal in some instances with any vaccine or booster) was a side effect from early on. Someone like @Secret Asshole or @Fanatical Pragmatist could tell you more about why we get bruising sometimes.
I don't know if it's damaged your muscle tissue, though.

Spoiler: more reply

I get yearly flu vaccinations and have had plenty of other jabs, none of which have causes such a long lasting soreness. Some sources online say that it is just the body causing inflammation in reaction to the virus proteins, but then why haven't other vaccines done this for me?

These vaccines are very different. That much we do know. They're unique from the ground-up so it's a mistake to compare them to flu shots, a mistake we all make.

Edit: Also just heard on the local radio of our Health Minister saying "If you catch covid you are VERY LIKELY to get VERY SICK and end up in HOSPITAL". Isn't it more likely that people just get flu symptoms that dont require hospitalization, not to mention some proportion of the population dont get symptoms at all?

Again, it depends on many health factors for an individual (age, immune system, life style, etc.). Overall most people are not in the risk demographic so they won't end up hospitalized. They can get really sick after initially experiencing no symptoms and, like the flu, it can get dangerous depending on how they handle it. But Covid is definitely not the flu. It's serious, yes, but it's not the death plague our governments and media say it is--and the vaccines are not the silver bullet/armor against it like they say either.

I do agree that it can be very scary to be hospitalized with severe covid symptoms but i don't think these make up the majority of cases like the country's health minister seems to imply. Its always lying and fearmongering....

True, but at least you don't have governors telling you the vaccine is God's will and calling on people to be their apostles. That's a little something to be grateful for lol