General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

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[Tatsunoko]

you see, people have been predicting Vtubing "plateauing" for almost a year now, so now any slowdown whatsoever will be claimed as "see look the plateau is happening"

Are we in schizo meteoric rise mode like we were this time last year? no of course we aren't

But Vtubing overall is still growing quickly and healthily, Hololive EN2 isn't skyrocketing as fast as EN1, but they are still outpacing anyone else in their market by a long shot overall.

Even Nijisanji where everyone so commonly gripes about their debut speed is still doing great, Niji I would say is doing even better than they were this time last year. Their latest JP wave was a hit, and EN is paying dividends for them.

I think folks just have their perceptions skewed by being holocentric at the time of Hololives greatest growth period and now anything less than that and suddenly it's "the golden days are over, the plateau is here"

Just because it's not growing at turbo speed doesn't mean it's not growing quickly, Just because you can't personally follow every single chuuba you want doesn't mean it's saturated If the market were really dying down and oversaturated Nijisanji just wouldn't be dropping waves like they are, they aren't retarded, they're doing it because it keeps working out for them, if it weren't they'd shut it down (NijiIN anyone?)

A good first step for most people would just be to stop using hololive as your baseline because it's far far far far from the norm and has been for quite some time now.

I see it just becoming a mainstay branching off from regular streaming. Which ironically is also still seen by a lot of people as a fad or not a real job. Granted, for most people, it's not but there are people who are able to make a living from it to varying degrees.

And in some regards, Vtubers have even more longevity since their characters are ageless. You can also fairly successfully reinvent yourself if you're a lesser-known streamer. Look at Luna, who had multiple attempts at it till she settled with Hololive.

 

[thirteenorphans]

A good first step for most people would just be to stop using hololive as your baseline because it's far far far far from the norm and has been for quite some time now.

This was something I also mentioned a short while ago. I was looking at non-HL cover songs and realised I don't really have a good baseline for what numbers a "successful" cover should expect. Not that numbers are the "be all and end all" but you have to admit that putting out a cover and getting barely 4 digit views must be pretty demoralising.

 

[Bogged_account887744]

That room. Filthy degen otaku.
Not like anyone thought otherwise.

I'm more surprised that her room was really clean

 

[Present Mouse]

Outside of ID3, which probably costs less than Yagoo's suits to run, could Cover have correctly saw the plateau and shifted focus?

I'd certainly hope they did. Anyone who understands even basic business concepts could guess that as the world started getting back to normal demand for entertainment was gonna drop and vtubers are part of that. The biggest surprise to me is that the market shocks held off this long.

Edit: to be clear, I fully expect Cover and Nijisanji to survive the drop in demand fine. The big players always do. Hell even Vshojo will probably be ok assuming theyre not managed by a moron. I would not want to be an indie rn though

 

[Scuttle]

I'd like to know what world you live in that Gura earning 40-50k subs per week is plateauing.

I agree with you, but Gura is an outlier member of an outlier company. Analysts never look at the upper anomaly and make it the new baseline. Gura's metrics are bonkers but they're also not representative of HoloMyth - never mind the entire company.

I don't agree that V-Tubing has plateaud, though. It's moreso that the culture of corporate V-Tubing is to frontload subs before they even debut, so when you look at graphs on a month-to-month basis it'll always look like it's on the decline because the majority of people who plan to watch are not going to take weeks to figure out there are new members. It's very likely we've reached the upper limit of new fans per interval and that could be a good excuse for companies to take a breather and restructure what they have.

Whereas others like Nijisanji are still throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks? Right now they have a wall covered thick, and the wall isn't getting any bigger.

I've heard the phrase 'Niji throw shit at a wall to see what sticks' so often that I fear it's lost all meaning. This isn't some desperate attempt to strike viral gold (though I don't doubt they'd appreciate it if they did), it's simply what they do. It's what they've always done and will continue to do. They have treated EN no differently and that in and of itself isn't a symptom of Hololive's overseas successes.

'Seeing what sticks' also implies that the stuff that doesn't is ignored and tossed aside when it isn't. Nagi So has just had new life breathed into her channel after a stellar 2.0 model. There is a waiting list of 3D debuts for reaching 100K and the ones who took a while to get there don't get left behind.

Right now, Rosemi Lovelock is averaging about 520 new subs a day. Kiara Takanashi is averaging 660 a day. Selen is averaging nearly 800 a day. Ina 1000 a day. They're all doing just fine bringing new folk in, so to be mulling over how methodical Cover are being whilst inferring that Anycolor's approach is erratic and desperate (I know you probably didn't mean it like this but it's how the phrase has been come to have connotations with) has never quite felt like an opinion in tune with reality.

 

[thhrang]

Tenma's made a Twitch account.

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Pippa's not feeling well.

Also:

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Spoiler: /pcg/ continues talking about Half-Life

(I've gotta say, the G-Man impression actually isn't completely terrible somehow. Wow )

Main takeaway was this:
Both the original game or Black Mesa would make for a great stream. Now I'm hoping that she plays one of them sometime in the future.

 

[Girlboy69]

No Tenma! Twitch is gross!

 

[SparklingWaves]

初心者がピンクの可愛い塗装にチャレンジしたのですが…

#お部屋かわいくし隊 ですアームの塗装より撮影と編集に手こずりました。音声後付け難しいけど文字入れ死ぬほど簡単だったから意外とありだな~と思ったり。テロップも試行錯誤でサイズ変えたりしてみてる、T：https://twitter.com/BabutarOfficialL： https://lin.ee/GVXgp...

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Seems gibara is not afraid in showing her irl face

How certain are we that this is Gibara?

 

[murdered meat bag]

Tenma's made a Twitch account.
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Spoiler: /pcg/ continues talking about Half-Life

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Main takeaway was this:
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oh man the oishii is a hibakusha.

 

[Motto Fine Rolas]

No Tenma! Twitch is gross!

Yeah, there's a lot of vtubers I'd watch if they didn't stream on twitch. My PC barely manages to run a YouTube stream smoothly with the chat closed so it suffers a lot with twitch, apart from that, I just really don't like it, I don't know what it is that makes me hate it that much.

 

[Diya]

Yeah, there's a lot of vtubers I'd watch if they didn't stream on twitch. My PC barely manages to run a YouTube stream smoothly with the chat closed so it suffers a lot with twitch, apart from that, I just really don't like it, I don't know what it is that makes me hate it that much.

Could be worse. They could be streaming on fucking Mildom. The thing we do for love, man.

 

[kuuu]

How certain are we that this is Gibara?

Once I heard the voice I didn't even need to ask this question.
The guy seems to get his info on JP related sites. That's second time he brings up Gibara's roommate stuff itt, I think.

 

[Girlboy69]

Yeah, there's a lot of vtubers I'd watch if they didn't stream on twitch. My PC barely manages to run a YouTube stream smoothly with the chat closed so it suffers a lot with twitch, apart from that, I just really don't like it, I don't know what it is that makes me hate it that much.

For me, I just hate the unavoidable ads. Even with a blocker, Twitch's ads come through and ruin streams. YouTube wins by a long shot in that department.

Also, Twitch office culture has been described roughly the same way as Blizzard's was so I'm looking forward to that eventual shitstorm.

First I heard of it was when Horror went on a podcast and talked about Twitch. Someone else on Twitter, I forget who. Said he'd quit both Blizzard and Twitch because of how the officers were like fucking frat houses. I get a half-chub thinking about the day I see a mass shitstorm heading towards Twitch HQ.

 

[Hotdogs Aplenty]

Right now, Rosemi Lovelock is averaging about 520 new subs a day. Kiara Takanashi is averaging 660 a day. Selen is averaging nearly 800 a day. Ina 1000 a day. They're all doing just fine bringing new folk in, so to be mulling over how methodical Cover are being whilst inferring that Anycolor's approach is erratic and desperate (I know you probably didn't mean it like this but it's how the phrase has been come to have connotations with) has never quite felt like an opinion in tune with reality.

The shit metaphor was a poor one, as I do like the Nijisani tubers. If it was retail, I'd say Cover and Nijisani have different growth strategies. Cover opens a few big stores in the region that everyone can shop at, so they have huge sales, where Nijisani a tonne of smaller stores that are a bit more niche so the sales per store is small, and they need to worry about cannibalizing their own locations.

 

[horni]

Subaru's English now seems about as good as Kronii's Japanese

Subaru's English is okayish, but Kronii's Japanese surprised me - I only heard her saying Japanese sentences and not actually talking to someone. I would say Kronii's Japanese is on Polka's English level, I rate it: funny to listen to/10.

She basically said biological sex is real

Wait what, it isn't? You can either have XX or XY chromosomes...? Someone has arguments proving otherwise?

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Did you know? Some vtuber with a name "Kson ONAIR" is debuting soon, maybe it's worth giving a watch?

 

[masterstocking]

Kronii won't b awlright.

 

[Moth Enjoyer]

There's no way it will hapen but I would be very happy if Tenmas collab partner was just pippa using her Yuni account I would kneel to the fish man if he allowed it

 

[masterstocking]

Mumento

 

[murdered meat bag]

There's no way it will hapen but I would be very happy if Tenmas collab partner was just pippa using her Yuni account I would kneel to the fish man if he allowed it

money talks brother. i wonder how much donos that'd cost.