Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

lol stop watching the media. It's rotting your brain.

The Chinese are using traditional vaccines. The Indians are too plus Ivermectin.

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What are the long-term consequences of Sinovac/China vaccines? I've heard they have a fairly high rate of short-term effects like all the others (because they're shit) and are much less likely to prevent symptoms of the disease in the few months the "immunity" is actually there, but is there any reasonable (i.e. not "this study funded by Pfizer") suspicion they'll fuck up your immune system long-term?

There's a theory that says China is using their vaccine because in addition to financial reasons (they aren't paying billions to NATO countries), they're using the vaccine because of issues with infertility (China knows the fertility rate is their biggest hurdle in the next century) and because other vaccines theoretically could backfire if China released SARS-3 which could target the spike protein in the vaccine and cause debilitating and lethal disease in anyone who's taken it. This biowarfare campaign would spare China's puppets/vassals in Africa, Latin America, elsewhere in Asia, etc. (for the sake of China's resource security) but kill NATO countries dead.

 

[Obie]

 

[Protistology]

because other vaccines theoretically could backfire if China released SARS-3 which could target the spike protein in the vaccine and cause debilitating and lethal disease in anyone who's taken it. This biowarfare campaign would spare China's puppets/vassals in Africa, Latin America, elsewhere in Asia, etc. (for the sake of China's resource security) but kill NATO countries dead.

Why are you asking questions you already know the answer too lol?

 

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What are the long-term consequences of Sinovac/China vaccines? I've heard they have a fairly high rate of short-term effects like all the others (because they're shit) and are much less likely to prevent symptoms of the disease in the few months the "immunity" is actually there, but is there any reasonable (i.e. not "this study funded by Pfizer") suspicion they'll fuck up your immune system long-term?

There's a theory that says China is using their vaccine because in addition to financial reasons (they aren't paying billions to NATO countries), they're using the vaccine because of issues with infertility (China knows the fertility rate is their biggest hurdle in the next century) and because other vaccines theoretically could backfire if China released SARS-3 which could target the spike protein in the vaccine and cause debilitating and lethal disease in anyone who's taken it. This biowarfare campaign would spare China's puppets/vassals in Africa, Latin America, elsewhere in Asia, etc. (for the sake of China's resource security) but kill NATO countries dead.

It's a Coronavirus. No vaccine is going to work for any significant length of time, is it? They mutate constantly.

 

[The Wicked Mitch]

That's my fear.

The elites are so devoid of anything resembling a conscience, that they will gladly erase history in order to bring about (and sustain) pod world. After all, it would be harder to control a population of human cattle if they can easily look back in time and see that things weren't always this shitty, and people were much healthier, happier and freer. The highest elites will probably have access to the true history books, but definitely not 99.99999% of the populace.

No pun intended, but it really will be an end of history scenario. I have no idea how a clinically gaslit population will be able to break out of a system that feeds them nothing but false information and monitors their every move as if they were all prison inmates.

Suicide will undoubtedly be preferable to living in that world

Spoiler:

This is already the case, practical skills like writing aside 90%+ of what most of us learned in school was either outright false or heavily manipulated.

 

[Keystone]

Spoiler:

This is already the case, practical skills like writing aside 90%+ of what most of us learned in school was either outright false or heavily manipulated.

Ties in with what someone else said -- write the important stuff down or record it somehow. Because some other asshole out there is probably writing down lies.

 

[The Wicked Mitch]

Ties in with what someone else said -- write the important stuff down or record it somehow. Because some other asshole out there is probably writing down lies.

Absolutely. Before you know it your natural immune system is memoryholed and True and Honest immunity is only available through our Lord and Savior Pfizer-BioNtech

 

[Fliddaroonie]

We need more time to gather data and they know it. These world wide mandates are a nightmare, the pressure to get the vaccine or be fired does make more question if they should get it or if it's ethical, but on the other hand they have very little time to make a decision... every day counts now.

Very few people will remain untouched by the poison by Christmas. Millions and millions of bodies irreparably damaged. We may never again know what a post 2020s human body is like.

I got this piece of paper from my parents below. They are against the vaccine being forced on us but they want me to get it so I don't end up jobless and living with them (I don't live in a city and there are not many jobs out here) -

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What the hell is going to happen when all of these people are fired? Liberals really don't give a damn about the logistics, they have an incredibly single minded goal. Imagine how terrible the American health care experience is going to be in 2022 when half of the nurses are gone.

Are you really going to take life advice from someone who can't use an apostrophe or spell "hassle" correctly?

Work on getting a religious exemption or whatever you need to not get it, and keep your parents out of your decision unless you're still on their insurance.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

Gov. Newsom is a champion of hypocrisy with his vax mandate.

Tyrannical Lockdown CA Gov Newsom Fights To Exempt Union That Gave His Recall Campaign $1.75 Million From His COVID Vax Mandate

California’s tyrannical governor is a hypocrite. Don’t let the good looks of Nancy Pelosi’s radical nephew fool you—the man who […]

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California’s tyrannical governor is a hypocrite.

Don’t let the good looks of Nancy Pelosi’s radical nephew fool you—the man who is about to force kids to get the COVID jab is evil to the core.

At the peak of the CCP virus pandemic, governors across America were trying to find a balance between protecting citizens without destroying lives and protecting businesses in their state from financial ruin. California Democrat Governor Gavin Newsom, Michigan Democrat Governor Gretchen Whitmer, and disgraced, former NY Democrat Governor Andrew Cuomo had no regard for their citizens or the businesses in their states. They locked down businesses and demanded citizens hide under their beds until they deemed it safe to come outside again.

In November 2020, at the peak of the pandemic, GovernorNewsom was forced to issue a statement after he got caught breaking his own authoritarian COVID order.​

The San Francisco Chronicle reported that maskless and not-socially distanced Gavin Newsom and his wife attended a birthday party with at least a dozen people from several different households for his advisor Jason Kinney.

Newsom attended a dinner party at French Laundry, a restaurant in Napa Valley that charges $800 per person for their tasting menu while he tells Californians they could not gather with their families for Thanksgiving.

Citizens of California who were fed up with Governor Newsom’s tyrannical rule successfully petitioned for a recall vote for the iron-fisted governor. Newsom was in real danger of being recalled, but thanks to unions and other radical leftist groups that dumped a fortune into his recall campaign, Newsom narrowly survived the recall effort.

Now, Governor Newsom has been caught helping to exempt one of his top donor groups from his tyrannical COVID jab mandates.​

Life Site News – California Democrat Gov. G avin Newsom, one of the most prominent supporters of COVID jab mandates in the United States, is facing criticism for his efforts to stop a vaccine mandate affecting members of a union that donated $1.75 million to help him survive this summer’s recall election.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

It's a Coronavirus. No vaccine is going to work for any significant length of time, is it? They mutate constantly.

Yeah and using HCQ, Ivermectin or even Aspirin against corona-chan is a blasphemy for the Pzifer lobbyists.

 

[Dog-O-Tron 5000v5.0]

That's my fear.

The elites are so devoid of anything resembling a conscience, that they will gladly erase history in order to bring about (and sustain) pod world. After all, it would be harder to control a population of human cattle if they can easily look back in time and see that things weren't always this shitty, and people were much healthier, happier and freer. The highest elites will probably have access to the true history books, but definitely not 99.99999% of the populace.

No pun intended, but it really will be an end of history scenario. I have no idea how a clinically gaslit population will be able to break out of a system that feeds them nothing but false information and monitors their every move as if they were all prison inmates.

Suicide will undoubtedly be preferable to living in that world

It's especially going to be easy with the digitization of all information. We see it daily, and it's why we archive things here, but even that's fragile. It is laughably simple for anyone to go back and edit and erase history, news articles, biographies, encyclopedia (wiki) entries, etc.

Orwell had made it seem almost impossible with his incredibly elaborate system of hundreds of people rewriting old newspapers and books and replacing them in libraries daily. He couldn't foresee how easy the digital information age would make the Memory Hole.

 

[borsabil]

So I wasn't crazy, they could be doing this the traditional way but aren't? Any ideas why not? Was this a result of them rushing it, or of them wanting to try out a new toy? Not wanting to give up the money it's gonna make them? I remember they were having trouble getting COVID19 to reproduce in a lab environment, is that more shit I don't remember right?

Any word on when COVI-VAC (Codagenix, the Indian company's vax) is gonna be available in the US? Looking into it they're sure dragging their fucking feet on it, only 48 people trying it out over the past year. ... But they'll allow if not attempt to force DNA/RNA reprogramming of our immune systems?

Fucking weird.

Immunization with SARS coronavirus vaccines leads to pulmonary immunopathology on challenge with the SARS virus - PubMed

These SARS-CoV vaccines all induced antibody and protection against infection with SARS-CoV. However, challenge of mice given any of the vaccines led to occurrence of Th2-type immunopathology suggesting hypersensitivity to SARS-CoV components was induced. Caution in proceeding to application of...

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Multiple trials using inactivated vaccines were attempted with SARS Cov-1. The doses required to induce a sterilising immune response always led to horrific mortality in animal subjects due to Th2-type immunopathology with associated release of cytokines an acute inflammatory response and death.

The CCP are using an inactivated vaccine but at very low dosage. No they're not killing anyone but they're doing zero parts of nothing to impart immunity.

The difficulty, make that impossibility, of fabricating a vaccine for a coronavirus was widely discussed in the MSM during Trump's tenure (when it was acceptable to do so).

If we find a vaccine for COVID-19, it will be the first time ever for coronaviruses

For those pinning their hopes on a COVID-19 vaccine to return life to normal, an Australian expert in vaccine development warns the quest poses unique challenges.

www.abc.net.au

"One of the problems with corona vaccines in the past has been that when the immune response does cross over to where the virus-infected cells are it actually increases the pathology rather than reducing it," Professor Frazer said.

"So that immunisation with SARS corona vaccine caused, in animals, inflammation in the lungs which wouldn't otherwise have been there if the vaccine hadn't been given."

"Yes, you get antibodies after a [cold] infection, and yes it lasts for a while, but it's not lifelong... sort of months rather than years," he said.

"I think it would be fair to say that the natural immunity that you get after infection from this coronavirus is probably going to turn out like the coronaviruses we've seen in the past.

"There will be some natural protection over a period of months, maybe even years, but it won't be lifelong.
"The good news is that if you get reinfected with the virus a second time some months down the track, there will probably be enough immunity there to stop you becoming seriously ill."

Correct. Even after infection and recovery from Covid neutralising antibodies will eventually drop below seroconversion levels in the majority of people. This is the case with all circulating respiratory viruses which is why we catch the common cold and seasonal flu multiple times during our lives. The good news is that our immune system prioritises long term memory immunity. Having large numbers of circulating antibodies for every virus or bacteria is inefficient and expensive so nature has provided us with T-cell immunity, the ability to recognise when we are being challenged by a pathogen we've encountered in the past which causes our B-cells to immediately start producing neutralising antibodies which will usually prevent replication of a virus and if it doesn't is good enough to prevent severe life threatening illness. When it comes to respiratory viruses, including Covid-19, T-cell immunity is all that matters. Those who recover from Covid have long lasting neutralising antibodies. we're over 18 months into the pandemic and the vast majority of cases still have circulating n-protein antibodies. This can only be occurring if there is B-cell recall and so all recovered cases will have long lasting T-cell immunity. In the vaccinated? Not so much with S-protein antibody titres collapsing a few weeks after the second dose hence the need for boosters.

The makers of the mRNA and Adenovector vaccines knew all this and worked around the problem. How to provide a vaccine against Covid at a high enough dosage to induce an immune response without killing everyone who takes it? The answer was not to vaccinate against Covid-19 itself but to expose the immune system to the spike protein instead. This "worked' in that the immune system does make antibodies against the s-protein but the response is not the same as natural immunity. It's narrow, the spike component is the most mutable part of the virus and so the vaccines will always be leaky and prone to breakthrough and it turns out the immune system does not recognise Covid as a viral infection in the vaccinated but rather as a spike exposure and is not able to produce n-protein antibodies, or perhaps any antibodies. If the vaccines are messing with innate immunity we have a big fucking problem and it won't just be limited to Covid.

 

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The makers of the mRNA and Adenovector vaccines knew all this and worked around the problem. How to provide a vaccine against Covid at a high enough dosage to induce an immune response without killing everyone who takes it? The answer was not to vaccinate against Covid-19 itself but to expose the immune system to the spike protein instead. This "worked' in that the immune system does make antibodies against the s-protein but the response is not the same as natural immunity. It's narrow, the spike component is the most mutable part of the virus and so the vaccines will always be leaky and prone to breakthrough and it turns out the immune system does not recognise Covid as a viral infection in the vaccinated but rather as a spike exposure and is not able to produce n-protein antibodies, or perhaps any antibodies. If the vaccines are messing with innate immunity we have a big fucking problem and it won't just be limited to Covid.

Oh goodie. The pharmabros might have given everyone artificially created HIV.

This does explain the news stories of people who get infected after getting the jab and getting violently ill, though.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Wait, how the hell do you die from an asymptomatic infection?

Its percentage of people who died.
For example the 70-79 age cohort experienced mortality in 20% of symptomatic infections, but just under 10% of total infections.
So lets say hypothetically speaking 100 people showed symptoms of COVID, and 20 of them died; however 200 people total caught it, meaning that the total number is actually 1-in-10 per infection, but 1-in-5 for those who showed symptoms.

It's actually fairly revealing because it shows that even at older ages there is still a very plausible possibility of having no symptoms. That even old farts might get the so-called "Boomer Doomer" and have an asymptomatic case.

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Also found this gem in the weddings thread of the salon subforum. Thought it was funny the extreme shit people will do to avoid Dudley Varus:

 

[Dona Morte]

Really losing their minds...
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Okay, HANG ON.
First of all this is wrong on SO many levels.
Where was this posted?
I have seen ANOTHER regarded comparison-
Seat belts.

 

[MichaelScarn]

Even after infection and recovery from Covid neutralising antibodies will eventually drop below seroconversion levels in the majority of people. This is the case with all circulating respiratory viruses which is why we catch the common cold and seasonal flu multiple times during our lives. The good news is that our immune system prioritises long term memory immunity. Having large numbers of circulating antibodies for every virus or bacteria is inefficient and expensive so nature has provided us with T-cell immunity, the ability to recognise when we are being challenged by a pathogen we've encountered in the past which causes our B-cells to immediately start producing neutralising antibodies which will usually prevent replication of a virus and if it doesn't is good enough to prevent severe life threatening illness. When it comes to respiratory viruses, including Covid-19, T-cell immunity is all that matters. Those who recover from Covid have long lasting neutralising antibodies. we're over 18 months into the pandemic and the vast majority of cases still have circulating n-protein antibodies. This can only be occurring if there is B-cell recall and so all recovered cases will have long lasting T-cell immunity. In the vaccinated? Not so much with S-protein antibody titres collapsing a few weeks after the second dose hence the need for boosters.

The makers of the mRNA and Adenovector vaccines knew all this and worked around the problem. How to provide a vaccine against Covid at a high enough dosage to induce an immune response without killing everyone who takes it? The answer was not to vaccinate against Covid-19 itself but to expose the immune system to the spike protein instead. This "worked' in that the immune system does make antibodies against the s-protein but the response is not the same as natural immunity. It's narrow, the spike component is the most mutable part of the virus and so the vaccines will always be leaky and prone to breakthrough and it turns out the immune system does not recognise Covid as a viral infection in the vaccinated but rather as a spike exposure and is not able to produce n-protein antibodies, or perhaps any antibodies. If the vaccines are messing with innate immunity we have a big fucking problem and it won't just be limited to Covid.

This is one of the most concise and accessible explanation of how this works that I've seen, thank you. I'm basically mentally retarded though.

 

[Kona_A9]

It's not when you follow the money and power involved. Also, inactivated vaccines, typically take years to develop. By they time they are done, the disease has mutated and the vaccine is useless. Influenza is a prime example. Why do you think you have to get a new vaccine every year and our numbers tend to stay about the same?

I had posted an analogy about someone showing up on your doorstep with tens of thousands of dollars begging you to sell them a car. Any car. As long as it is fast. Do you sell them the crappy underdeveloped Kia in your garage, or do you spend years designing and building a brand new car? You sell them the underdeveloped POS and take the money.

The U.S. Government met the pharma companies, demanded a solution to a pandemic, damn the costs, and these assholes, knowing it wasn't nearly ready or effective, sold the mRNA vaccine to them, and made billions. And here we are.

Info on inactivated vaccines:

Inactivated Viral Vaccines

Straight from the NIH, you can't make this stuff up:
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That quote really shows how rudimentary our understanding of human immunity and what vaccines can do to stimulate it truly is. And yet they all speak with such confidence.

 

[George Lucas]

Spoiler:

This is already the case, practical skills like writing aside 90%+ of what most of us learned in school was either outright false or heavily manipulated.

I would say even handwriting is fucked. Zoomers literally can’t read cursive.

 

[aphelion]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/wellness/taste-blood-run-exercise/2021/10/07/cc024ce6-26b2-11ec-9de8-156fed3e81bf_story.html

Just thought it interesting that I've never heard of such a thing before. Perhaps clot shot related? Trying to normalize like how they're pushing articles about kids having heart attacks and it being normal?

 

[Marchesa of the Vast]

We need more time to gather data and they know it. These world wide mandates are a nightmare, the pressure to get the vaccine or be fired does make more question if they should get it or if it's ethical, but on the other hand they have very little time to make a decision... every day counts now.

Very few people will remain untouched by the poison by Christmas. Millions and millions of bodies irreparably damaged. We may never again know what a post 2020s human body is like.

I got this piece of paper from my parents below. They are against the vaccine being forced on us but they want me to get it so I don't end up jobless and living with them (I don't live in a city and there are not many jobs out here) -

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What the hell is going to happen when all of these people are fired? Liberals really don't give a damn about the logistics, they have an incredibly single minded goal. Imagine how terrible the American health care experience is going to be in 2022 when half of the nurses are gone.

"Pros - Get Vaccinated
Life goes on normally"

I regret to inform you that your parents are nigger cattle. It's a disability many of us have to live with but you're doing great already. I almost feel sorry for the retards. Regardless of if the jabs actually work (they don't), we aren't going back to normal. Anyone that can't catch onto that is just useless to discuss things with.