Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

[aanoo]

not a fucking chance was olly Chad. contra is not that fucked to think it

Yeah, I still think Chad was the bobsledder guy, although Olly and Contra surely fucked

 

[narcissistic injury]

Yeah, I still think Chad was the bobsledder guy, although Olly and Contra surely fucked

I WANT to believe that

 

[AfghanBlue]

I WANT to believe that

Believe it, Tube was never really consectutively near contra for long enough to have the kind of relationship she described.
At most they'll have been jet set fuck buds for a lil bit

 

[narcissistic injury]

Believe it, Tube was never really consectutively near contra for long enough to have the kind of relationship she described.
At most they'll have been jet set fuck buds for a lil bit

On the contrary - To me, she described exactly that though.... the relationship seemed kind of surface level... "picnics in the park"...
It did not seem like a lived-in, together all the time, obsessed with one another, bf-gf relationship. The description was a bit vague, a bit off.
Despite the #relatable persona, I do think she's actually just permanently online - she considered theryn her "best friend" and then described going back and forth to see one another. They seemed more comfortable and obsessed for sure, and they were still long distance. She even said in the Shame video she forms "little crushes" on "other youtubers or whatever" -- pretty depressing but i think any socializing she does really is related to youtube

all of the info that olly's been stealthily dropping recently (versace present, hating a person who sounded a lot like theryn, disneyland), on top of the archives here on KF, leads me to believe that Contra had a lukewarm relationshit with Olly, felt bad for breaking up with him, and then overplayed how much she would have loved him if only she could, and how great of a guy he was/is

 

[esmeggs]

Olly has dropped dozens of Tweets, Youtube Comments, Reddit comments, etc., referring to himself as "Chad" because he needs everyone to know that HE was the one who fulfilled some drug-addicted troon's fantasy of having his own personal walking dildo to affirm his "womanhood". I don't get how anyone still thinks Nyk isn't delusional enough to convince himself that Olly is """""an absolute Chad""""" since it fits his autogynephile fantasy of being a smol dainty woman with a ""manly"" ""muscular"" boyfriend. Olly probably seethes at the comments on here refusing to believe that he's "Chad" so I can't get too annoyed though.

 

[AfghanBlue]

On the contrary - To me, she described exactly that though.... the relationship seemed kind of surface level... "picnics in the park"...
It did not seem like a lived-in, together all the time, obsessed with one another, bf-gf relationship. The description was a bit vague, a bit off.
Despite the #relatable persona, I do think she's actually just permanently online - she considered theryn her "best friend" and then described going back and forth to see one another. They seemed more comfortable and obsessed for sure, and they were still long distance. She even said in the Shame video she forms "little crushes" on "other youtubers or whatever" -- pretty depressing but i think any socializing she does really is related to youtube

all of the info that olly's been stealthily dropping recently, on top of the archives here on KF (versace present, hating a person who sounded a lot like theryn, disneyland), leads me to believe that Contra had a lukewarm relationshit with Olly, felt bad for breaking up with him, and then overplayed how much she would have loved him if only she could, and how great of a guy he was/is

Well, shit.
That paints a pretty depressing picture for Contra. The whole lot of it.

' hating a person who sounded a lot like theryn'
Dont recall, what was that about?

@esmeggs may i say how much that profile picture gets on my tits- WHY did he not blend in the forehead shadow? so it would look like the face actually being half and half real? the sharp edge at the hairline just ruins the look.
It constantly irritates me lmao

 

[narcissistic injury]

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People are saying this is about Theryn, is that likely true? I know fuck all about him aside from the fact he's a HSTS that Contra was obsessed with. Could see how there would be "personal [romantic] beef" there.

@AfghanBlue see above tweetz

Theryn beef. Love triangle- trans youtuber edition

What an insane story from anyone’s POV but esp Olly’s.

Date a transwoman you met online.
The transwoman realizes she’s a lesbian and leaves you for her best friend transwoman that you’ve been suspicious of…. Who swiftly rejects her.

Then you decide YOU are a trans woman.

You come out hoping to impress and rekindle the romance with your now lesbian ex gf………. and your ex gf swiftly rejects your transness and cuts off contact.

And now none of you are on speaking terms.

Olly has dropped dozens of Tweets, Youtube Comments, Reddit comments, etc., referring to himself as "Chad" because he needs everyone to know that HE was the one who fulfilled some drug-addicted troon's fantasy of having his own personal walking dildo to affirm his "womanhood". I don't get how anyone still thinks Nyk isn't delusional enough to convince himself that Olly is """""an absolute Chad""""" since it fits his autogynephile fantasy of being a smol dainty woman with a ""manly"" ""muscular"" boyfriend. Olly probably seethes at the comments on here refusing to believe that he's "Chad" so I can't get too annoyed though.

I mean like he’s so obviously not A CHAD

(That’s just self evident, he’s not muscular or manly. He’s a little fatty Brit who looks like he was rejected from the casting call for Harry Potter. I hate that awful British ruddy piglet face)

But I am now convinced he was contra’s chad

 

[AntiStan23]

Teehee, all this people who ask me to step on a soap box and entertain their protest don’t get, that I’m a world known movie star. On top, I’m a piece bringer like ghandi. That’s like the impact my videos have, right? I’m literally rescuing the world. So how could I possibly speak at their event without massive james bond like security, like snipers on the roofs everywhere and shit? I cannot dare to be run over and torn to pieces by the masses.

 

[Hongourable Madisha]

@AfghanBlue see above tweetz

Theryn beef. Love triangle- trans youtuber edition

What an insane story from anyone’s POV but esp Olly’s.

Date a transwoman you met online.
The transwoman realizes she’s a lesbian and leaves you for her best friend transwoman that you’ve been suspicious of…. Who swiftly rejects her.

Then you decide YOU are a trans woman.

You come out hoping to impress and rekindle the romance with your now lesbian ex gf………. and your ex gf swiftly rejects your transness and cuts off contact.

And now none of you are on speaking terms.

Nobody involved in this is a woman, much less a lesbian. They're all the creepy pervs who'd say "hurr hurr I'm a lesbian in a man's body" to lesbians at the bar until the older butches kicked them out.

 

[PennyAni]

is worse, Oliver Lennard or Shane Dawson? As of tonight both freakish predators are on the scene again, albeit in different forms. Who'd win in a fight (I think we all agree that Contrapoints has been knocked out, early rounds). Olly or Shane, which freak is the Awful Alpha, if confined to a small room? Who creeps you out more?

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Absolutely PT. I was never a big Shane Dawson fan though so I didnt care much about his drama and fall. Even though I'm semi-obsessed with the YouTube beauty community so you'd think it would have bothered me more. But nope.

EDIT: Ok- the 6 part "Beautiful Life of Jeffree Star" or whatever documentary that turned out to be a 6+hour infomercial for SD's mediocre little eyeshadow pallet kinda pissed me off. But still. It's nothing compared to what I see and feel about PT.

 

[esmeggs]

Livestream today was so boring I didn't even take notes. He'll be in Romania next week to film Django again. His Russian was so terrible because he used Google Translate to coach him on pronunciation. He doesn't name anyone, but he says that there is a trans youtuber that is "far more gorgeous and smarter" than he is that has gotten backlash from their trans audience in the past for giving their audience beauty tips or passing tips or something. I'm guessing he was referring to Contra there? His play is definitely happening in London next year. He's excited to start traveling to America again because he fetishizes American women. Nothing else is really coming to mind.
ETA- @AfghanBlue Don't worry I'll change it back after Halloween is over. The makeup near the hairline really ruins the look, looks like an exaggerated widow's peak.

 

[PennyAni]

This is soooooo brutal. Trying to incorporate a foreign language à la contrapoints but just failing. Why.

- What the fuck is with the ruski accent


- Was this thing insulting the quoting the dictionary a swipe d

I saw someone on twitter very politely asking Olly to not do the Slavic caricature again because it was offensive. Of course all of PT's stans shouted her down, but the original person's tweet had way more likes than the cultish followers' did. (At least this was the case last time I checked.)

how does he live with himself?
And how does hontra live with the fact that even though PT looks like this, he still passes better

Oh no, totes disagree! Nat passes so, so much better, IMO it's like a night and day difference.

I couldnt bear to get through the video. Watched a few clips but mostly I'm trusting you guys's recaps.

 

[fax machine]

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Breast augmentation, facial feminization, or the snip? Idc but expect lots of fist shaking at the outrageous difficulty of getting elective surgeries served on a silver platter by the NHS.

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fuck political alliances. all my homies hate political alliances. all my homies are bourgeois art kids spamming soviet vibes online. imagine reaching out to the majority and forming coalitions with imperfect people to do democracy with them lol sounds lame. I am a very serious political actor and also a philosopher who says no debate

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our sex lmao

class, race lmao

Olly is a posh white fuck with an expensive education and a degree in a discipline that signals his class. He regurgitated his lectures badly but was trusted by many regardless because he looked and sounded like an archetypal philosophy guy. He moves like every trust fund baby calling for guillotines on the rich: desperately seeking underdog aesthetics while savaging actual underdogs who cross his Internet friends. But class! But race! But saying the words doesn't mean you understand them. This is just painting his side with positive buzzword soup while claiming that the enemy rejects the soup and is therefore bad.

Most women on Earth would balk at this obviously male person talking about "our sex," but he'd never consider that intersection.

Livestream today was so boring I didn't even take notes. He'll be in Romania next week to film Django again. His Russian was so terrible because used Google Translate to coach him on pronunciation. He doesn't name anyone, but he says that there is a trans youtuber that is "far more gorgeous and smarter" than he is that has gotten backlash from their trans audience in the past for giving their audience beauty tips or passing tips or something. I'm guessing he was referring to Contra there? His play is definitely happening in London next year. He's excited to start traveling to America again because he fetishizes American women. Nothing else is really coming to mind.

The only serious criticism of the video that he addressed was that he didn't talk enough about Islam. He said the video was about racialized islamophobia in the West, so the religion itself was beyond its domain. No corrections to his claim that France and French Algeria banned the veil, which they didn't. There were many comments under the video pointing out the misinformation about France, too, so he must have deliberately ignored them.

 

[Rose_of_Troon]

I actually caught PT‘s postmortem stream live but had to stop it after only a few minutes because it was boring and the constant hysterical laughter was too aggravating. Abigail is like a delusional aunty who thinks she’s hot and funny it’s so fucking bad.

 

[Shotgun Badger]

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our sex lmao

class, race lmao

Olly is a posh white fuck with an expensive education and a degree in a discipline that signals his class. He regurgitated his lectures badly but was trusted by many regardless because he looked and sounded like an archetypal philosophy guy. He moves like every trust fund baby calling for guillotines on the rich: desperately seeking underdog aesthetics while savaging actual underdogs who cross his Internet friends. But class! But race! But saying the words doesn't mean you understand them. This is just painting his side with positive buzzword soup while claiming that the enemy rejects the soup and is therefore bad.

Most women on Earth would balk at this obviously male person talking about "our sex," but he'd never consider that intersection.

He's such an idiot, he manages to jam whats basically a non-sequitur into the space of one tweet. TERFs are perfectly willing to understand and even apply intersectionality to their analysis, the problem is that all the intersectionality in the world doesn't help with a simple question that trans people are never able to answer convincingly, Why should trans women be considered women? Its a slimy tactic since he's completely sidestepping this critical part of the debate because he knows that all answers bring a cavalcade of problems with them, and instead is pretending that TERFs have some great big problem with race, or class, or whatever.

No Oliver, its simple, Feminism as an ideology is meant to entail the historical repression of women and how it can be dismantled, that can entail women of all varieties in all kinds of different contexts, but the thing is that whether they are black or white, poor or rich, American or Chinese, they are still women. Trans people have a major issue in that a lot feminists fundamentally don't think they are women, and their arguments tend to be much more convincing than those going the other way, so by that definition Olly has no place coming up to feminists and demanding that they recognize him as a woman and make the movement all about him anymore than I, a pasty white weirdo, had any right to go up to a 60s Civil Rights activist and demand that they consider me black and make their movement revolve around me because 'I feel black'.

Also, as always, we see once again the conflation of Sex with Gender and deliberate erosion of the solid meaning for the term Sex, when years ago trans activists were swearing up and down that they were completely different and they weren't denying the obvious reality of binary sex differences between male and females, they were just talking about Gender and how that determined men and women. Now that ship has sailed, Olly and others have flushed the distinction between sex and gender down the toilet and try to make sure nobody else notices, he has absolutely nothing in common with actual women when it comes to his SEX, I can guarantee that his Chromosomes are XY, he has a dick and can't get pregnant, and yet here he is talking about the sex based oppression he experiences as a woman? What the fuck even is that in this context?

 

[narcissistic injury]

r/PhilosophyTube - Is Oliver Thorn the single most interesting person on the internet, or are his stories/anecdotes about "himself" just fiction, inserted to enhance the viewing experience?

102 votes and 26 comments so far on Reddit

www.reddit.com

 

[Chandelier]

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Breast augmentation, facial feminization, or the snip? Idc but expect lots of fist shaking at the outrageous difficulty of getting elective surgeries served on a silver platter by the NHS.

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fuck political alliances. all my homies hate political alliances. all my homies are bourgeois art kids spamming soviet vibes online. imagine reaching out to the majority and forming coalitions with imperfect people to do democracy with them lol sounds lame. I am a very serious political actor and also a philosopher who says no debate

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our sex lmao

class, race lmao

Olly is a posh white fuck with an expensive education and a degree in a discipline that signals his class. He regurgitated his lectures badly but was trusted by many regardless because he looked and sounded like an archetypal philosophy guy. He moves like every trust fund baby calling for guillotines on the rich: desperately seeking underdog aesthetics while savaging actual underdogs who cross his Internet friends. But class! But race! But saying the words doesn't mean you understand them. This is just painting his side with positive buzzword soup while claiming that the enemy rejects the soup and is therefore bad.

Most women on Earth would balk at this obviously male person talking about "our sex," but he'd never consider that intersection.


The only serious criticism of the video that he addressed was that he didn't talk enough about Islam. He said the video was about racialized islamophobia in the West, so the religion itself was beyond its domain. No corrections to his claim that France and French Algeria banned the veil, which they didn't. There were many comments under the video pointing out the misinformation about France, too, so he must have deliberately ignored them.

The best part about that thread is Katy Montgomerie whining about not wanting to get on a live broadcast to debate a feminist despite mocking and harassing women behind their backs on his YouTube Channel. He'll have hour long podcasts on how TERFs are wrong for saying only women have cervixes and mocking Alison Bailey for thinking kids had poisoned her dog with chocolate (she ended up clearing it up with said kids and forgave them) but the minute when he's confronted with his bullshit he'll tuck his tail (and his cock) between his legs.

Here are the screenshots for posterity.

He's all talk. Oliver chiming in there saying the cissies will never understand is peak comedy.

It hasn't even been a year and already Olly thinks he's a profound expert on women's issues. He won't go on GB News to debate anyone, and KM here only loves to posture in his echo chamber. HE is afraid of abuse, but he doesn't give two shits about the women he and Olly are driving out of their spaces.

Every single one of these males are retarded perverts. I truly wish Jane Claire Jones hadn't blocked KM so she could press him the way Rogan did Sanjay Gupta - keep pressing, and then get them to submit. I know I, a 'femme fascist' wouldn't be allowed on his call-in show because he'd throw a mantrum.

Both of these white males are so profoundly retarded that, in KM's case, he'll blame GC feminists for MUSLIM murders and Olly will flat out ignore Muslim violence altogether. If he doesn't know the difference between the burqa/niqab and the hijab - the former which is banned but the latter is not - that's done on purpose. When he isn't relying on others to do his own research he refuses to learn.

 

[Ophelia Jones]

r/PhilosophyTube - Is Oliver Thorn the single most interesting person on the internet, or are his stories/anecdotes about "himself" just fiction, inserted to enhance the viewing experience?

102 votes and 26 comments so far on Reddit

www.reddit.com

This didn't age well...

 

[Rose_of_Troon]

He's such an idiot, he manages to jam whats basically a non-sequitur into the space of one tweet. TERFs are perfectly willing to understand and even apply intersectionality to their analysis, the problem is that all the intersectionality in the world doesn't help with a simple question that trans people are never able to answer convincingly, Why should trans women be considered women? Its a slimy tactic since he's completely sidestepping this critical part of the debate because he knows that all answers bring a cavalcade of problems with them, and instead is pretending that TERFs have some great big problem with race, or class, or whatever.

No Oliver, its simple, Feminism as an ideology is meant to entail the historical repression of women and how it can be dismantled, that can entail women of all varieties in all kinds of different contexts, but the thing is that whether they are black or white, poor or rich, American or Chinese, they are still women. Trans people have a major issue in that a lot feminists fundamentally don't think they are women, and their arguments tend to be much more convincing than those going the other way, so by that definition Olly has no place coming up to feminists and demanding that they recognize him as a woman and make the movement all about him anymore than I, a pasty white weirdo, had any right to go up to a 60s Civil Rights activist and demand that they consider me black and make their movement revolve around me because 'I feel black'.

Also, as always, we see once again the conflation of Sex with Gender and deliberate erosion of the solid meaning for the term Sex, when years ago trans activists were swearing up and down that they were completely different and they weren't denying the obvious reality of binary sex differences between male and females, they were just talking about Gender and how that determined men and women. Now that ship has sailed, Olly and others have flushed the distinction between sex and gender down the toilet and try to make sure nobody else notices, he has absolutely nothing in common with actual women when it comes to his SEX, I can guarantee that his Chromosomes are XY, he has a dick and can't get pregnant, and yet here he is talking about the sex based oppression he experiences as a woman? What the fuck even is that in this context?

Although I reject the comparism of transwomen with white people ‚feeling black‘ (keeping in mind that their queerness usually makes transpeople outsiders in societey even long before they transition), I think you might be on to an important point here. It’s weird how some transwoman (not all of them) feel entitled to complain about the reduction of women to their biology and oppression that comes along with that. Speak for yourself, troons! You don’t have any periods that you are shamed about! I guess thats what you mean when you say sex based oppression.

Are transpeople however oppressed for their gender expressions? Well, just read some of this forum or ask every transperson on it. YES they are.

Do TERFs have the better arguments? Absolutely NOT, since much like patriarchy, they reduce women to their uteruses as well. Isn’t that a big ‚no no‘ in feminism? Frankly I’m stunned, that the TERF-movement hasn’t been shunned more by other feminists for that so far.
I feel like TERFISM is patriarchal thinking in its purest form when it comes to gender and unbased fearmongering when it comes to the predator-narrative around transwomen. I’m leaving transmen out of this.

 

[Ninon42]

Are transpeople however oppressed for their gender expressions? Well, just read some of this forum or ask every transperson on it. YES they are.

Do TERFs have the better arguments? Absolutely NOT, since much like patriarchy, they reduce women to their uteruses as well. Isn’t that a big ‚no no‘ in feminism? Frankly I’m stunned, that the TERF-movement hasn’t been shunned more by other feminists for that so far.
I feel like TERFISM is patriarchal thinking in its purest form when it comes to gender and unbased fearmongering when it comes to the predator-narrative around transwomen. I’m leaving transmen out of this.

Gender expression is a choice. Being female (or male) isn't. No amount of makeup, hormones, surgery, clothes, delusional thinking or performative femininity will change that. Fixating on desperately trying to be the one thing in this world that you can't, down to the nucleic acid in every molecule of your body, is mental illness and consumerist entitlement in its purest form.