Let's pretend for one moment that he does die before the election, just for the funsies. What happens then? Will the nomination revert to option number 2, aka Bernie Sanders? Or will his running mate automatically replace him just the way Vice-President is supposted to step in after the Big Man in the White House chokes on a piece of matzo? Does he even have a running mate yet?
US Joe Biden News Megathread - The Other Biden Derangement Syndrome Thread (with a side order of Fauci Derangement Syndrome)
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Jesus. You know shit's fucked if MSNBC is telling the Dems to abandon the far-left nutters.MSNBC Panel: DeSantis ‘Would Win By Over Double Digits’ In 2024, AOC Is ‘Suicide For The Democrats’
On-air personalities on MSNBC warned on Monday that Democrats need to quickly move away from the far-left-wing of the party they have embraced; otherwise, they will get blown off the map in 2024 if Donald Trump does not run again.
Frequent MSNBC guest Donny Deutsch made the comments while conversing with Joe Scarborough, who agreed with Deutsch, on the network’s “Morning Joe.”
“If the Republicans ran anybody but Donald Trump, they would win in a landslide,” Deutsch said. “Anybody just right of center, anybody.”
Deutsch said he wanted to see different polls of how potential 2024 candidates stack up against Biden, predicting that Trump would win in a rematch. Deutsch noted that a candidate like Florida Governor Ron DeSantis (R) “would win by over double digits” in 2024.
Scarborough responded by saying that he has “never heard such unrest in all my life against any party, as I am against the Democratic Party because of their policies, and how wildly out of step they are [with] mainstream America.” Scarborough said that many of the complaints that he is hearing about how extreme Democrats have become are from “lifelong liberals” and “lifelong progressives.”
“I’m going to get killed on Twitter today,” he continued. “And guess what? Guess what? I don’t care. You know why? Because Twitter isn’t mainstream America. Donny I’m hearing this from lifelong liberals, lifelong progressives on a variety of issues.”
“Joe Biden does not have the hearts and minds of this country,” Deutsch said. “And the other Democrats that we see being paraded forward, the AOC’s of the world, the far-left, are suicide for the Democrats. So the Democrats better get some new faces and the Democrats better figure out that this world lives just right of center or on a good year, just left of center and it’s this socialist kind of pulling all the way to the left is a disaster.”
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Man, what clown world are we living in? A mainstream rag like MSNBC daring to platform this hateful, divisive far-right rhetoric?
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Does it matter?
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it gets better friend:
Now you can mix the booster shots
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Over a decade ago I watched some presentation by warren were she explained some of the economic ills of the american middle class. Basically why our standard of living stalled out, why bankruptcy s went up, the horror show that is school districts and how they effect the price of housing.
I know A&N is down on her, and my information is waaay outa date but she always struck me as one dem that honestly talks about real problems facing real Americans.
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From the most popularly
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Warren is a shameless weathervane, just better than most at making her transitions less obvious. She'll have any position at any time so long as she believes that it will gain her support.
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I'm gonna collect them all!
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Yes, and the inevitable meltdown is going to be the most hilarious thing in world history.
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That pretty much tells me that these booster shots are bullshit.
When I had to get boosters for some esoteric shit when I was Active Duty, they always checked my shot records to see what my initial shot was to make sure I got the right booster shot.
They fucked it up once and I had hives for like a week and itched all over.
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The more time goes by, the more the universe proves right my mom's hypothesis that the elites' end goal of all this is population control.
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man, @celebrityskin must've really touched a nerve.
urbanization is a thing and has been for decades. all that culture means nothing if most people find it boring. and those jobs.. how many and what type? and again, doesn't mean much if you don't have people wanting to do it. I don't see many people going to medical school to become a country doctor. sure, you can say you don't need any of that, you already got all you need. but who are you gonna give all that culture to if your young population wanders off? who's gonna take over your business and jobs when people age out? it's getting to a point where banks don't want to open in rural areas. again, you might say you don't need no stinking banks, you got all the bills you need already and worst case you can just barter with your neighbors - but how are you gonna turn all those digits on bills into digits on the computer and vice versa?
then let's talk about that meat. of course it will be cheaper the closer you are to the producer, and you'll have a lot of meat for a long time... but nothing else. you read the thread, the problem is not having the goods, the problem is getting the goods from A to B. all that meat means nothing if you can't sell it, and no meat going out means nothing else coming in. are you willing to eat all that meat for weeks and months? and everything's geared towards just in time, do you even have the facilities to store all that meat? sure, you can always keep the cattle alive - but where's the food coming from? again, nothing's going out, nothing's going in. which btw also means you won't sell any of that meat that makes your livelihood, and I doubt you can pay your mortgage and bills with a juicy steak. who you gonna sell to, your neighbors feeling the pinch as well and over-supply wrecking the price (turns out "cheap" isn't always good)? how self-sufficient you gonna be when you default and the bank is taking your farm or your business (if they didn't already because you got no one else to sell it to)?
it's easy to sneed about those darn city slickers, but let's not pretend everything's fine in the countryside.
but that's not how it's gonna play out. "maga terrorists" are bad people doing bad things (according to headlines), go ahead and ask anyone if they think of themselves as "maga terrorists" and what should be done with bad people. where is the public outcry about boomerwaffen getting labeled traitors after the pearl harbor of 1/6? people will not only accept when "bad people" get vanned, they will cheer.
till at some point suddenly they are declared bad people themselves and are baffled why others cheer when they never did anything bad at all, just showed "undemocratic behavior" like asking questions or voting for the wrong party.
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The polling is really crazy right now if you take California and NY out. Like 1994 crazy.
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Plenty of people are objecting to the poor treatment of the 1/6 people. It just doesn't receive mainstream media coverage. I don't really believe that the establishment can really slowly boil the frog as it were, not literally, since frogs actually do jump out of the pot as the water gets hotter, and not figuratively either since we've seen a massive amount of work being done to de-fortify the elections after what happened in 2020. Also, the sheen has finally worn off of Biden and Harris for anyone who isn't on twitter all day long, so people will be much less inclined to believe them if they start claiming that "MAGA Terrorists" need to be locked up for the good of the nation or whatever.
Oh and the public is increasingly inclined to not listen to the mainstream media anymore, which makes it even less likely that an attempt to demonize Trump, conservatives in general and anyone who objects to what the dems are doing right now, will work.
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Christ, she's BEHIND him?
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You walk in and pay your bill with cash.
It's not hard. My piss-little town has that opportunity.
We also have our local banks. We're not too in to Bank of America or Key Bank or whatever opening up here. They can keep their fucking money and stay the fuck out.
We don't just grow fucking cows.
We grow wheat, barley, sorghum, corn, pumpkins, zucchini, tomatoes, potatoes, all kinds of stuff.
Holy shit.
Sure am.
It'll go good with the potatoes and green beans with bacon.
Yes. I have 2 freezers.
From the farms right across the way.
You realize that people not in the cities buy and produce stuff too.
Hell, I got a nice Menonite blanket just last month. Hand spun, hand made, all natural, spun by a matronly woman. Traded for it too.
It's a fuck of a lot better than the bug-man hives.
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As someone who grew up on a horse ranch, helped do hard farming alongside it, then moved to a big city... I find the views of people who have only ever lived in a city to be -fascinating-.
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Article: https://longisland.news12.com/trump-files-lawsuit-to-block-release-of-jan-6-documents
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Trump files lawsuit to keep Jan. 6 documents from Congress
Former President Donald Trump on Monday sought to block the release of documents related to the Jan. 6 Capitol insurrection to a congressional committee investigating the attack, challenging President Joe Biden’s initial decision to waive executive privilege.
In a federal lawsuit, Trump said the committee’s request was “almost limitless in scope,” and sought records with no reasonable connection to that day. He called it a “vexatious, illegal fishing expedition” that was “untethered from any legitimate legislative purpose,” according to the papers filed in federal court in the District of Columbia.
Trump’s lawsuit was expected, as he had said he would challenge the investigation and at least one ally, Steve Bannon, has defied a subpoena. But the legal challenge went beyond the initial 125 pages of records that Biden recently cleared for release to the committee. The suit, which names the committee as well as the National Archives, seeks to invalidate the entirety of the congressional request, calling it overly broad, unduly burdensome and a challenge to separation of powers. It requests a court injunction to bar the archivist from producing the documents.
The Biden administration, in clearing the documents for release, said the violent siege of the Capitol was such an extraordinary circumstance that it merited waiving the privilege that usually protects White House communications.
In a letter obtained by The Associated Press, the White House worked to undercut Bannon’s argument before a scheduled committee vote on whether to recommend criminal contempt charges against him. Bannon is a onetime White House adviser who left the administration years before the insurrection.
Deputy Counsel Jonathan Su wrote that the president’s decision on the documents applied to Bannon, too, and “at this point we are not aware of any basis for your client’s refusal to appear for a deposition.”
“President Biden’s determination that an assertion of privilege is not justified with respect to these subjects applies to your client’s deposition testimony and to any documents your client may possess concerning either subject,” Su wrote to Bannon’s lawyer.
Bannon’s attorney said he had not yet seen the letter and could not comment on it. While Bannon has said he needs a court order before complying with his subpoena, former White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows and former White House and Pentagon aide Kashyap Patel are negotiating with the committee. It is unclear whether a fourth former White House aide, Dan Scavino, will comply.
The committee has also subpoenaed more than a dozen people who helped plan Trump rallies ahead of the siege, and some of them have already said they would turn over documents and give testimony.
Lawmakers want the documents as part of their investigation into how a mob of Trump supporters stormed the Capitol building on Jan. 6 in a violent effort to halt the certification of Biden’s election win. The committee demanded a broad range of executive branch papers related to intelligence gathered before the attack, security preparations during and before the siege, the pro-Trump rallies held that day and Trump’s false claims that he won the election, among other matters.
Trump’s lawsuit says the “boundless requests included over fifty individual requests for documents and information, and mentioned more than thirty individuals, including those working inside and outside government.”
The files must be withheld, the lawsuit says, because they could include “conversations with (or about) foreign leaders, attorney work product, the most sensitive of national security secrets, along with any and all privileged communications among a pool of potentially hundreds of people.”
The suit also challenges the legality of the Presidential Records Act, arguing that allowing an incumbent president to waive executive privilege of a predecessor just months after they left office is inherently unconstitutional. Biden has said he would go through each request separately to determine whether that privilege should be waived.
While not spelled out in the Constitution, executive privilege has developed to protect a president’s ability to obtain candid counsel from his advisers without fear of immediate public disclosure and to protect his confidential communications relating to official responsibilities.
But that privilege has its limitations in extraordinary situations, as exemplified during the Watergate scandal, when the Supreme Court ruled it could not be used to shield the release of secret Oval Office tapes sought in a criminal inquiry, and following the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.
Monday’s lawsuit was filed by Jesse Binnall, an attorney based in Alexandria, Virginia, who represented Trump in an unsuccessful lawsuit late last year seeking to overturn Biden’s victory in Nevada. Trump and his allies have continued to make baseless claims about voter fraud in the 2020 election.
Trump’s suit quotes from the U.S. Supreme Court’s 2020 ruling in a case by House committees seeking the then-sitting president’s tax returns and other financial records. But that case involved courts enforcing a congressional subpoena. The high court in that case directed lower courts t o apply a balancing test to determine whether to turn over the records — it’s still pending.
Neither the White House nor the select committee had an immediate comment.
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Trump files lawsuit to keep Jan. 6 documents from Congress
Former President Donald Trump on Monday sought to block the release of documents related to the Jan. 6 Capitol insurrection to a congressional committee investigating the attack, challenging President Joe Biden’s initial decision to waive executive privilege.
In a federal lawsuit, Trump said the committee’s request was “almost limitless in scope,” and sought records with no reasonable connection to that day. He called it a “vexatious, illegal fishing expedition” that was “untethered from any legitimate legislative purpose,” according to the papers filed in federal court in the District of Columbia.
Trump’s lawsuit was expected, as he had said he would challenge the investigation and at least one ally, Steve Bannon, has defied a subpoena. But the legal challenge went beyond the initial 125 pages of records that Biden recently cleared for release to the committee. The suit, which names the committee as well as the National Archives, seeks to invalidate the entirety of the congressional request, calling it overly broad, unduly burdensome and a challenge to separation of powers. It requests a court injunction to bar the archivist from producing the documents.
The Biden administration, in clearing the documents for release, said the violent siege of the Capitol was such an extraordinary circumstance that it merited waiving the privilege that usually protects White House communications.
In a letter obtained by The Associated Press, the White House worked to undercut Bannon’s argument before a scheduled committee vote on whether to recommend criminal contempt charges against him. Bannon is a onetime White House adviser who left the administration years before the insurrection.
Deputy Counsel Jonathan Su wrote that the president’s decision on the documents applied to Bannon, too, and “at this point we are not aware of any basis for your client’s refusal to appear for a deposition.”
“President Biden’s determination that an assertion of privilege is not justified with respect to these subjects applies to your client’s deposition testimony and to any documents your client may possess concerning either subject,” Su wrote to Bannon’s lawyer.
Bannon’s attorney said he had not yet seen the letter and could not comment on it. While Bannon has said he needs a court order before complying with his subpoena, former White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows and former White House and Pentagon aide Kashyap Patel are negotiating with the committee. It is unclear whether a fourth former White House aide, Dan Scavino, will comply.
The committee has also subpoenaed more than a dozen people who helped plan Trump rallies ahead of the siege, and some of them have already said they would turn over documents and give testimony.
Lawmakers want the documents as part of their investigation into how a mob of Trump supporters stormed the Capitol building on Jan. 6 in a violent effort to halt the certification of Biden’s election win. The committee demanded a broad range of executive branch papers related to intelligence gathered before the attack, security preparations during and before the siege, the pro-Trump rallies held that day and Trump’s false claims that he won the election, among other matters.
Trump’s lawsuit says the “boundless requests included over fifty individual requests for documents and information, and mentioned more than thirty individuals, including those working inside and outside government.”
The files must be withheld, the lawsuit says, because they could include “conversations with (or about) foreign leaders, attorney work product, the most sensitive of national security secrets, along with any and all privileged communications among a pool of potentially hundreds of people.”
The suit also challenges the legality of the Presidential Records Act, arguing that allowing an incumbent president to waive executive privilege of a predecessor just months after they left office is inherently unconstitutional. Biden has said he would go through each request separately to determine whether that privilege should be waived.
While not spelled out in the Constitution, executive privilege has developed to protect a president’s ability to obtain candid counsel from his advisers without fear of immediate public disclosure and to protect his confidential communications relating to official responsibilities.
But that privilege has its limitations in extraordinary situations, as exemplified during the Watergate scandal, when the Supreme Court ruled it could not be used to shield the release of secret Oval Office tapes sought in a criminal inquiry, and following the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.
Monday’s lawsuit was filed by Jesse Binnall, an attorney based in Alexandria, Virginia, who represented Trump in an unsuccessful lawsuit late last year seeking to overturn Biden’s victory in Nevada. Trump and his allies have continued to make baseless claims about voter fraud in the 2020 election.
Trump’s suit quotes from the U.S. Supreme Court’s 2020 ruling in a case by House committees seeking the then-sitting president’s tax returns and other financial records. But that case involved courts enforcing a congressional subpoena. The high court in that case directed lower courts t o apply a balancing test to determine whether to turn over the records — it’s still pending.
Neither the White House nor the select committee had an immediate comment.
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I'm no expert but I'm fairly confident that this level of leniency in any treatment restriction is unheard of. This REEKS of oligarchic cooperation.
I dub thee the 'patchleather' vaccine.
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Hillary is gay? I don't believe it.
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