Tabletop Community Watch

[Adamska]

They are fucked either way. Cave in to the demands, and it will be the clowns running the woke circus, right into the ground. Expect the upcoming adventure path modules all be about dismantling fantasy colonialism through troon power and collective action, and the company get policed to the depths of woke hell. Resist, and find yourself instantly on the Greatest Anime Betrayals list, getting smeared by the press, and boycotted by half your buyers and much of the game industry. It's a losing game with no good way out.

Spoilers: they made their mistake when they let the poz enter their system. Every company who hires the likes of Jessica Price will end up having to pay the price. They have made their bed, now time to sleep in it.

"Buyers"

I still hold and believe that most of this crowd don't buy the product and just pirate the basics or talk about it pretending they play. What will hurt them is if they rely on kickstarter scams though since these idiots can and will throw money at anything no matter how garbage or much it's a legit scam.

 

[TerribleIdeas™]

Yes, after writing the Darrick Dishaw thread who is full of weird shit and overflowing with milk on its own, we are starting to realize that a lot of his orbiters and enemies are possible thread contenders.

Which actually, Darrick did something similar to the creators of LoFP with his expansion of his Magnum Opus, Chaalt: Fuchsia Malaise. He put him and his wife Danielle on the cover of the book and gave her huge tits:
Wife:
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Book:
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Why does that look like Davis Aurini?

 

[Fialovy]

Why does that look like Davis Aurini?

It isn't it is him on the cover and he wants to look like Anton LaVey because he is an edgy Satanist. The thread is a good read.

 

[Loose Goose]

"Buyers"

I still hold and believe that most of this crowd don't buy the product and just pirate the basics or talk about it pretending they play. What will hurt them is if they rely on kickstarter scams though since these idiots can and will throw money at anything no matter how garbage or much it's a legit scam.

Paizo is perhaps the second largest RPG company, if not larger than the WotC D&D division. Their adventure paths sell (and sell well enough to sustain their bloated company), so they have a buying audience who have been sufficiently on board with their politics to keep buying.

 

[HTTP Error 404]

told ya (over in the other tabletop thread).

Wait, which thread?

 

[ZMOT]

Wait, which thread?

the one over in games.

Paizo is perhaps the second largest RPG company, if not larger than the WotC D&D division. Their adventure paths sell (and sell well enough to sustain their bloated company), so they have a buying audience who have been sufficiently on board with their politics to keep buying.

for all the memes they are still far less pozzed than WOTC, even when they had shitstains like jessica price working for them. with the pozz they had it never got really bad, and they've been at it for a long time, so by all accounts they should've imploded a long time ago.

dunno about bloat at paizo, but I remember a lot of smaller shops only surviving via contracts really, they simply don't have the revenue or pockets to hire lot of staff full time. the lead designers being in on it could be worrying, but the rest are literally replaceable wagies (and even leads get changed often enough). gotta have to wait and see.

 

[Kabuki Actor]

So look for Tourettes-esque bursts that's what you're saying?

That's not obviously not going to help much, it is 4chan after all, just noticed that he swears like a child pretending to be adult. His image choices will stand out more, Bumpfag has no sense of aesthetics except for preferring tween cartoon styles, so he picks terrible results from his google image searches, like Alegria fortune teller graphics in a thread about capeshit-style psychics, or some random gacha character with a watermark.

And here's the only reaction image I've seen him using, he even made a big deal out of downloading it from 4chan when he first found it.

So - take this with a grain of salt after all of my ravings - I think it's interesting that of every image on the internet, this was the only one to express his feelings. An expressionless face that was sent into the uncanny valley by its incompetent artist, and it's still not a reaction, it's not a feeling, there is no feeling to be seen here. It would be meaningless without the caption, except as an example of the terrible art of its source material. That's probably why people made it into a reaction (a lot of people apparently, I had to check three different hashes for variants of it before I found the posts to link), for ironic humor. That's his mood, that's how he feels, like poorly drawn Shirou Emiya from a King Arthur Rule 34 franchise.

 

[Ghostse]

I always heard it was basically impossible to fire people after they've unionized, but I was deep in the lefty bubble back then, so...

You pretty much have to be able to afford to fire every worker at once, and live in an at-will employment state where you don't need to give a reason for the firing. If you don't have that you need to find a legitimate grievance to fire the employees in the union for in order to avoid a wrongful termination suit. Being part of a union is usually protected by law so you can't be fired just for that.

Passing the first bar is easy since these are some of Paizo's least valuable employees. They can afford to fire them all or have a walkout end with them being replaced. Getting a good excuse to fire them would be harder. Hell, Paizo might just let them do this as long as they never have any real demands.

As I'm reading from the twitter thread, they haven't officially unionized. They have declared they recreating the campus socialists because that's the last time they felt powerful. That's why they want voluntary recognition. If this was a real union, Paizo wouldn't have a choice.

know this because I was going to start a union at a place I worked (ended up deciding fuck it and got a new, better paying job)
If you want to create a real, honest-to-god, federal labor department recognized union, there is a process you must follow. For starters, you need to declare your intent to request a union vote to your management. Once this happens, you are now unfireable until the vote concludes, unless your employer is dumb as fuck - if you win, you are now employed for life. (If it falls through, if your employer is smart they also don't fire you - they simply stall your career and salary until you move on.)

Anyway, in your notice to management, You need to declare what sort of workers you are unionizing, and what union you intend to join. Here you have CSRs and some Art Fags; so I think a Service Workers union would take up the CSRs, I imagine there's a creative union for the art fags, and the computer touchers go into really weird unions a lot. Anyway, each of these areas being unionized has to vote - the entire department. So the whole CSR department has to vote.

The Federal Department of Labor will be made aware of this and will be watching the whole process like a hawk, ready to pounce on fuck ups by either side. If the vote succeeds, the employer has to work out a contract with the union. Terms can and will vary.

So Paizo can easily say "Fuck off, where's the union letter? We need to have a vote."

Regarding the difficulty of firing people in the union:
It really, really depends. It definitely ups the difficulty to the point (depending on how involved the union is) they usually prefer to just shove you into a corner and ignore you until you leave.

Unless you have done some grevious, illegal or borderline illegal, shit it is nearly impossible to shit can you, personally. When Union Employers downsize, they tell the Union "we are eliminating X positions" and the Union usually does the firing, usually based on seniority. If you are insolent, insubordinate, or otherwise you personally are a shitbag, management has to go through the Union. Depending on the Union contract, Management can also request (or require) performance metrics.

Anyway, tl;dr clearly none of these faggots have done their homework, they just to performatively live out their communist crusader fantasies.

for all the memes they are still far less pozzed than WOTC

Yes but also no.
They were more intelligent about how they inserted woke; they had a long standing policy of no 'sexy art'*. I mean they got their start with a fag paladin quest giver in their first module. So they were more about going 'big tent' and less about declaring men in dresses are women. Part of this was they didn't just hire wokeites and based on skin color or if they liked getting gangbanged in the men's room, they also hired normal people.
Principally, they knew how to not alienate their core audience.


*Which I don't necessarily disagree with; I don't need tits out in my source books. But they did it for woke points.

 

[ZMOT]

Yes but also no.
They were more intelligent about how they inserted woke; they had a long standing policy of no 'sexy art'*. I mean they got their start with a fag paladin quest giver in their first module. So they were more about going 'big tent' and less about declaring men in dresses are women. Part of this was they didn't just hire wokeites and based on skin color or if they liked getting gangbanged in the men's room, they also hired normal people.
Principally, they knew how to not alienate their core audience.

*Which I don't necessarily disagree with; I don't need tits out in my source books. But they did it for woke points.

well, they nerfed seoni's boob window, which triggers me more tbh.
but if we assume the slippery slope is real things should be way worse than fag paladins now. my point was paizo might have been at it longer, but never got as bad as wotc. not trying to defend paizo, but apparently they were always super pozzed, worse than wotc (most people don't know or care about interestingly, while being the bigger name), but when you look into it it's pretty much a nothingburger, like the pf2 playtest everybody who never read the final corebook likes to meme about. if they're that pozzed they'd double down, not cut it out and move it the GM section most people don't read anyway. heck even the tranny npc in one of the APs made sense to some degree, and was easy to retool into a sickness or whatever if you wanted to.

at this point the people screeching about woke are almost as bad as the wokeshit itself. you always had gay dudes in media, it always depends how it's done, it's existence alone doesn't mean dilation feats will make it into the next edition (and if they do it's easy to still drop it then and there). heck considering the size of the lore it's statistically likely you run into a few of them. it's also not surprising a company pays lipservice to wokeshit the in current year, a customer's a customer; imo it doesn't really matter why but how it's done (which as always the biggest issue really, most woketards can't write for shit and are so high on their own farts they dismiss every criticism that would make them better writers).

 

[Autistic Joe]

it's existence alone doesn't mean dilation feats will make it into the next edition

LOL! Sounds like something F.A.T.A.L. would have if it was being written today. Maybe part of a "Troonador" prestige class.

 

[ZMOT]

LOL! Sounds like something F.A.T.A.L. would have if it was being written today. Maybe part of a "Troonador" prestige class.

ironically I actually read it last year, and the biggest pro and con was trying to be realistic as possible. there were not many troons in the middle ages, then he would pull up statistics how viable such a procedure would be, it's mortality rate and then put it in probably at least 3 tables to roll on.

 

[Shaka Brah]

LOL! Sounds like something F.A.T.A.L. would have if it was being written today. Maybe part of a "Troonador" prestige class.

ironically I actually read it last year, and the biggest pro and con was trying to be realistic as possible. there were not many troons in the middle ages, then he would pull up statistics how viable such a procedure would be, it's mortality rate and then put it in probably at least 3 tables to roll on.

I think it would be a lot more like Alpha Blue or w/e Venger Satanis's game is called. FATAL always sounded like it was written by the kind of autist who would be mostly against tranny stuff and probably align with a right-libertarian trolling type of deal (It's edgy as fuck), but he also had his own fetishes and shocking content to insert.

 

[Emperor Julian]

Would troons even exist in most D&D settings? I mean changing sex is pretty easy and gender doesnt really have the same clout as irl so I imagine making a big deal out of being a one would be really odd, it seems more like you might make a matter of fact comment if relavent at most.

 

[Corn Flakes]

Would troons even exist in most D&D settings? I mean changing sex is pretty easy and gender doesnt really have the same clout as irl so I imagine making a big deal out of being a one would be really odd, it seems more like you might make a matter of fact comment if relavent at most.

I think we've been through this before. Basically, in more classical, more "conservative" low-powered settings (if those even exist anymore) you wouldn't openly do that. At most you'd be a transvestite like what happened through... well, centuries of history.

In a high-magic setting like Forgotten Realms, though? There's no need for a "transgender" tag. There are so many ways to go from male to female and vice-versa that if you're that uncomfortable with who you are you can just get a potion, a ritual, a prayer, a magic item, or any of a billion other things that would genderbend you at the genetic level on the spot.

 

[Wallace]

In a high-magic setting like Forgotten Realms, though? There's no need for a "transgender" tag. There are so many ways to go from male to female and vice-versa that if you're that uncomfortable with who you are you can just get a potion, a ritual, a prayer, a magic item, or any of a billion other things that would genderbend you at the genetic level on the spot.

But would they still e-beg for said genderbending magic?

 

[Adamska]

But would they still e-beg for said genderbending magic?

Probably, since it costs a decent bit to do that magically unless you get a very nice priest or wizard to do it pro-bono.

 

[Ghostse]

well, they nerfed seoni's boob window, which triggers me more tbh.
but if we assume the slippery slope is real things should be way worse than fag paladins now. my point was paizo might have been at it longer, but never got as bad as wotc. not trying to defend paizo, but apparently they were always super pozzed, worse than wotc (most people don't know or care about interestingly, while being the bigger name), but when you look into it it's pretty much a nothingburger, like the pf2 playtest everybody who never read the final corebook likes to meme about. if they're that pozzed they'd double down, not cut it out and move it the GM section most people don't read anyway. heck even the tranny npc in one of the APs made sense to some degree, and was easy to retool into a sickness or whatever if you wanted to.

For me, I got the impression Paizo was actually woke, and WOTC was just performative "Hello fellow children Queers and Negros" for money. Like Paizo wanted to EXPAND their market to also get the gays, and WOTC just wanted to target wokes because the market analysis department figured they could probably get more sales from faggots to replace any white cishet male paypigs who did actually stop buying their products instead of just grognarding about trannies in the Shire.
So Paizo seemed to have people who were interested in presenting a message of equality in a universal way, instead of "What does the twitterbot say faggots want? Says they like Harry Potter, Glee, and dressing up like Liberace during Carnivale... and recommends Gay Tranny Magic Prom? Alright, that's the new book. Make it happen."


Which is why Paizo often made me roll my eyes at some of their 'principalled stance' positions but I never put them on the naughty list over their politics; mainly I didn't buy Pathfinder stuff because I wasn't a huge fan of the powergamer design goals or where they took 3.75e in general.

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

I think we've been through this before. Basically, in more classical, more "conservative" low-powered settings (if those even exist anymore) you wouldn't openly do that. At most you'd be a transvestite like what happened through... well, centuries of history.

In a high-magic setting like Forgotten Realms, though? There's no need for a "transgender" tag. There are so many ways to go from male to female and vice-versa that if you're that uncomfortable with who you are you can just get a potion, a ritual, a prayer, a magic item, or any of a billion other things that would genderbend you at the genetic level on the spot.

You can always handle it the fun way when some fucker tries to slip that shit by you in character creation.

"OK, it says here that your character feels like they were born in the wrong body and secretly thinks they are a woman and is out to turn into a woman because she was actually born in the wrong body?"
"Yes."
"I said no stupid shit like this. Is this what you're really going to go with?"
"Yes. Why is it stupid? Trans people existed in ancient times!"
"OK. THis is why: Your character wakes up to the sounds of trumpets and horns. An angel is at the foot of your bed. He says "Hey, Dongus, God of Gender, was going through the records. Looks like you got the wrong body, we were kind of in a rush that day. He sent me to fix it. Bippity Boppity Boo, no penis for you!" and turns you into a woman. There."
"STOP INVALIDATING ME! REEEEEEEEEEE!"

 

[Corn Flakes]

You can always handle it the fun way when some fucker tries to slip that shit by you in character creation.

"OK, it says here that your character feels like they were born in the wrong body and secretly thinks they are a woman and is out to turn into a woman because she was actually born in the wrong body?"
"Yes."
"I said no stupid shit like this. Is this what you're really going to go with?"
"Yes. Why is it stupid? Trans people existed in ancient times!"
"OK. THis is why: Your character wakes up to the sounds of trumpets and horns. An angel is at the foot of your bed. He says "Hey, Dongus, God of Gender, was going through the records. Looks like you got the wrong body, we were kind of in a rush that day. He sent me to fix it. Bippity Boppity Boo, no penis for you!" and turns you into a woman. There."
"STOP INVALIDATING ME! REEEEEEEEEEE!"

I mean, that's what I would do if I wanted to yeet a genderspecial out of the table.

This reminds me of the one time I saw a transgender character played in an interesting way in one of my groups. It was right at the start of 5e: one of our most veteran players (a mother of two) rolled up a Warlock who got polymorphed from female to male by their Fae patron as part of their pact (before the game started, during chargen), and the character's service to the patron was basically them paying for the genderbend in installments.

The character was otherwise played as a completely standard male with no mention of their previous life, with a few funny interludes in social situations where the character had to come to grips with certain male things and expectations they hadn't originally thought of. Things such as "what do you mean, I have to learn how to aim this thing?" and "wait, do I get Advantage in Strength checks for opening jars?"

It was actually a lot of fun. Sadly, that character was eaten by a Grue (read: the player had to drop out of the campaign due to having her second kid) at around level 6 or so.

ETA: for clarification, the player dropped out of her own volition since she knew she wouldn't be able to make time for the sessions for at least a few months. She took over an important NPC when she rejoined near the end of the campaign about a year later.

 

[Sir Joahim Browinson III]

You can always handle it the fun way when some fucker tries to slip that shit by you in character creation.

"OK, it says here that your character feels like they were born in the wrong body and secretly thinks they are a woman and is out to turn into a woman because she was actually born in the wrong body?"
"Yes."
"I said no stupid shit like this. Is this what you're really going to go with?"
"Yes. Why is it stupid? Trans people existed in ancient times!"
"OK. THis is why: Your character wakes up to the sounds of trumpets and horns. An angel is at the foot of your bed. He says "Hey, Dongus, God of Gender, was going through the records. Looks like you got the wrong body, we were kind of in a rush that day. He sent me to fix it. Bippity Boppity Boo, no penis for you!" and turns you into a woman. There."
"STOP INVALIDATING ME! REEEEEEEEEEE!"

I once had a player who literally was in a wrong body. Basically, he almost got his soul sucked out by a necromancer, but because of botched cast he got his soul torn out of his old elf male body and then accidently got in planted into a female one. His motivation was to find his own old body and get back in somehow and also take vengance on necromancer who stole it.
Mad lad actually made his entire character about alegorical detrooning. This is probably the only time I allowed stuff like that.