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Aussie Feds have announced the booster roll out to nursing home residents starting beginning next month. The booster will be 'made available' to everyone else in March 2022.



"A third dose is likely, at this stage, to be the last dose we have to do."

"We know a lot about vaccines from other viruses. With hepatitis, for example, two or three doses is likely to give lifelong immunity. And that is what we hope for these."

I must have been hallucinating when I read that the Israelis are already planning the 4th jab


Israel is moving to ensure that it will have enough coronavirus vaccines for a potential second round of booster shots, which would be a fourth dose, Israel's Health Ministry director general Nachman Ash said Sunday, according to Bloomberg.

Oh that's right I wasn't.

You see it's all about building blocks of immunity. It's just the same as the other vaccines. Science, safe and effective, anyway it's not a booster it's a third dose. We totally told you guys that a third dose would be needed. Sure it's going to be mandatory but promise this will be the last one. Lmao.

@Vic Viper T301

I had to look up exactly what Relative Risk Reduction (RRR) and Absolute Risk Reduction (ARR) are. They're standard measurements used for assessing all medical treatments in randomized controlled trials. This textbook explains it well and simply: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK63647/ (https://archive.md/pyDSk)

Their example is for a hypothetical randomized trial for a new treatment: 20% of their control group (C) got infected, whereas 12% of the group who got the treatment (T) got infected.

This makes the ARR 8%. That's 20%-12%, the difference of infections between control (C) and treated (T) group.
The RRR is 40%: the formula to get to that is 1-(T/C), so in this example 1-(12%/20%) = 1-(0.6) = 0.4 = 40%

So basically, RRR = 1-(T/C) and ARR = C-T

Rearrange that and you have C = ARR/RRR, and T = ARR/RRR - ARR

For the Covid vaccines we have the ARR and the RRR.

For example in Pfizer: RRR = 0.95, ARR = 0.0084. So you have C = 0.0084/0.95 = 0.01053, and T = 0.01053-0.0084 = 0.0021

So let's say the Pfizer study used 100'000 people in each group (control and treatment). That means that 1053 people in the non-vaccinated group got Covid, whereas 210 people got sick (breakthrough?) despite having the vaccination. So about a fifth. I wouldn't say it "really really doesn't work" but it still seems a bit suboptimal. I don't know how it compares to other traditional vaccines.

Maybe I'm completely off with my maths, correct me if I'm wrong.

The conclusion is that you need both the ARR and the RRR to get a better picture of how the trial worked, if you don't know the percentages that were infected in the two groups.

Why Reuters couldn't just post the simple calculation I just did but instead posted this inconclusive word salad as a "debunk" instead is beyond me: https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-thelancet-riskreduction-idUSL2N2NK1XA (https://archive.md/5EOw5)
It was a 3 month trial. They dosed the subject group with 100 times the antibody titre that comes from natural infection. It's almost like they knew their vaccines were complete shit and the antibody levels would start collapsing a few weeks after the jab and so they limited the time and dosed at a high level so it would pass.
 
White House details plans to vaccinate 28 million children age 5-11

Also this...

Article: https://longisland.news12.com/mayor...rtedly-announce-citywide-vaccine-mandate-soon
Archive: https://archive.md/gFUnz
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Mayor de Blasio announces vaccine mandate for all city workers, including NYPD, FDNY

Mayor Bill de Blasio announced today a COVID-19 vaccination mandate for all New York City workers including police and firefighters. The mandate excludes uniformed correction officers.

City employees will receive an extra $500 in their paycheck for receiving their first shot at a city-run vaccination site. This benefit will end at 5 p.m. on Oct. 29, by that point, all employees are required to have proof of at least one dose.

Unvaccinated employees will be placed on unpaid leave until they show proof of vaccination to their supervisor.
MORE: Stop the Spread

Health Commissioner Dr. Dave Chokshi will sign a commissioner’s order today to formalize the mandate. The mandate will apply to approximately 160,500 workers. According to city officials, 71% percent of the workers affected by this mandate have already received at least one vaccine dose.

“There is no greater privilege than serving the people of New York City, and that privilege comes with a responsibility to keep yourself and your community safe,” says Mayor Bill de Blasio. “We have led the way against COVID-19 – from fighting for the right to vaccinate front-line workers, to providing nation-leading incentives, to creating the Key to NYC mandate."

Earlier in October, the NYPD reported that a little less than 70% of their members were vaccinated. The FDNY had just less than 60% of their members vaccinated.

While the heads of both the FDNY and NYPD have backed this, some of the unions have not. The PBA released a statement saying, "The COVID-19 vaccine is a medical decision that members must make in consultation with their own health care providers."

"We have pushed to make the vaccine available to all members who seek it, and we will continue to protect the rights of members who are not vaccinated," says Patrick Lynch, president of the Police Benevolent Association.
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White House details plans to vaccinate 28 million children age 5-11

Also this...

Article: https://longisland.news12.com/mayor...rtedly-announce-citywide-vaccine-mandate-soon
Archive: https://archive.md/gFUnz
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Mayor de Blasio announces vaccine mandate for all city workers, including NYPD, FDNY
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Mayor Bill de Blasio announced today a COVID-19 vaccination mandate for all New York City workers including police and firefighters. The mandate excludes uniformed correction officers.

City employees will receive an extra $500 in their paycheck for receiving their first shot at a city-run vaccination site. This benefit will end at 5 p.m. on Oct. 29, by that point, all employees are required to have proof of at least one dose.

Unvaccinated employees will be placed on unpaid leave until they show proof of vaccination to their supervisor.
MORE: Stop the Spread

Health Commissioner Dr. Dave Chokshi will sign a commissioner’s order today to formalize the mandate. The mandate will apply to approximately 160,500 workers. According to city officials, 71% percent of the workers affected by this mandate have already received at least one vaccine dose.

“There is no greater privilege than serving the people of New York City, and that privilege comes with a responsibility to keep yourself and your community safe,” says Mayor Bill de Blasio. “We have led the way against COVID-19 – from fighting for the right to vaccinate front-line workers, to providing nation-leading incentives, to creating the Key to NYC mandate."

Earlier in October, the NYPD reported that a little less than 70% of their members were vaccinated. The FDNY had just less than 60% of their members vaccinated.

While the heads of both the FDNY and NYPD have backed this, some of the unions have not. The PBA released a statement saying, "The COVID-19 vaccine is a medical decision that members must make in consultation with their own health care providers."

"We have pushed to make the vaccine available to all members who seek it, and we will continue to protect the rights of members who are not vaccinated," says Patrick Lynch, president of the Police Benevolent Association.
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Imagine being the chump who took the vaccine when the bribe was a free pastry and not $500.
How high do you think they will go?
 
It was a 3 month trial. They dosed the subject group with 100 times the antibody titre that comes from natural infection. It's almost like they knew their vaccines were complete shit and the antibody levels would start collapsing a few weeks after the jab and so they limited the time and dosed at a high level so it would pass.
Wait so they gave a higher dose than is found in the real vaccine? Are you talking about Pfizer only? Did all the companies do 3 months trials and call it a day?
 
Yep, it's true. I killed colin powel by being unvaccinated. I'm on the other side of the atlantic and haven't travelled to the US for a decade, but I did it. Me. My unvaccinated body reached across oceans and time to strangle him in his sleep and poison his blood.
How do we add this to the Kiwi Farms kill counter? Does each unvaccinated user get +1 or is it a +1 overall for the Farms as a whole?
 
What exactly is the democratic endgame here? Expanded police powers? Perpetual pandemic? This has to come to an end at some point, right?

Basically when will I stop getting dirty looks for not wearing my mask?
The endgame is to purge as many of the nonbelievers as possible.

The dirty looks will never end.
Imagine being the chump who took the vaccine when the bribe was a free pastry and not $500.
How high do you think they will go?
I figure it’ll top out at $1k. I said this back when they first started to roll out $100 gift cards a couple of months ago.
 
Wait so they gave a higher dose than is found in the real vaccine? Are you talking about Pfizer only? Did all the companies do 3 months trials and call it a day?
Yes, no, yes.

They faked the test results to get this to pass, and that's with them lowering the standards to basically "lol did you die in the first 24 hours after getting the jab?"

and even then it's been killing people in the first 24 hours after getting the jab.
 
Reposting from the other Vaxx thread:
Reposting one of my older posts:

Interesting information about Biogen, who have just received a contentious FDA approval for an Alzheimer's drug.

First, let's look at early in the pandemic:
nytimes.com/2020/12/11/us/biogen-conference-covid-spread.html

A February conference by the drug company Biogen was initially thought to have infected 99 people. By the end of October, it was feared that the number had grown as high as 300,000.

When it was disclosed last spring that the coronavirus had stealthily infected 99 people after the Cambridge, Mass., pharmaceutical company Biogen held a two-day conference in February, it helped add the term “superspreader” to the pandemic lexicon

A new analysis of the Biogen event at a Boston hotel has concluded that the coronavirus strains loosed at the meeting have since migrated worldwide, infecting about 245,000 Americans — and potentially as many as 300,000 — by the end of October.

The virus strains spread to at least 29 states. They were found in Australia, Sweden and Slovakia. They wended their way from a room packed with biotechnology executives to Boston homeless shelters, where they also spread widely among occupants.

The analysis, by more than 50 health care experts and researchers based primarily in the Boston area, was published on Thursday in Science, the journal of the American Association for the Advancement of Science. It is based on genetic analyses of the coronavirus taken from 28 people who attended the Biogen annual leadership conference, at a Marriott hotel on the Boston waterfront, on Feb. 26 and 27.

At the time, only 30 coronavirus infections had been confirmed in the United States, according to data compiled by The New York Times. More than a month earlier, Chinese authorities had quarantined the 11 million residents of Wuhan, where Covid-19 was first detected. But the epidemics that would ravage Europe were still on the horizon; Italy had recorded its first death only days earlier.
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Huh. What are the odds? So we move on to a potential Covid-Alzheimer's link:

Study identifies how COVID-19 linked to Alzheimer's disease-like cognitive impairment
sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/06/210610162405.htm

A new Cleveland Clinic-led study has identified mechanisms by which COVID-19 can lead to Alzheimer's disease-like dementia. The findings, published in Alzheimer's Research & Therapy, indicate an overlap between COVID-19 and brain changes common in Alzheimer's, and may help inform risk management and therapeutic strategies for COVID-19-associated cognitive impairment

While researchers found little evidence that the virus targets the brain directly, they discovered close network relationships between the virus and genes/proteins associated with several neurological diseases, most notably Alzheimer's, pointing to pathways by which COVID-19 could lead to AD-like dementia. To explore this further, they investigated potential associations between COVID-19 and neuroinflammation and brain microvascular injury, which are both hallmarks of Alzheimer's.
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OK, now let's look at the drug Biogen developed, and the drama surrounding it:
khn.org

Another FDA Adviser Resigns In Wake Of Alzheimer’s Drug Approval Decision

The Washington Post and Axios report on the ongoing fallout from the “contentious” decision to approve Aduhelm while CNN covers the costs and side-effects of the new drug. The Cincinnat…
khn.org
khn.org

The Washington Post and Axios report on the ongoing fallout from the "contentious" decision to approve Aduhelm while CNN covers the costs and side-effects of the new drug. The Cincinnati Enquirer notes it will be available at UC Health and two other Ohio sites.

Two members of a Food and Drug Administration advisory panel resigned this week after the agency’s contentious decision to approve an Alzheimer’s drug over the objections of its outside advisers. David S. Knopman, a neurologist at the Mayo Clinic, said Wednesday in an email to The Washington Post that he did not “wish to be part of a sham process” that ultimately resulted in the agency’s approval Monday of Biogen’s Aduhelm, also known as aducanumab. ... Earlier this week, Joel S. Perlmutter, a neurologist at Washington University in St. Louis, resigned from the committee, according to the trade publications Stat News and the Pink Sheet. (

A new poll of more than 1,400 people who work in the biotech and pharmaceutical industries by John Carroll of Endpoints News reveals a clear consensus: The FDA made a big mistake approving Aduhelm, Biogen's Alzheimer's treatment, and the $56,000 price tag does not match any possible benefit. Even the industry's own experts are not defending the FDA and Biogen.
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Also, it seems they're establishing a new research center. Also going to make some serious bank off of this drug. Wonder if the two are related somehow:

Biogen CEO says $56,000 annually for Alzheimer’s drug is 'fair,' promises not to hike price for at least 4 years
Biogen CEO says $56,000 annually for Alzheimer’s drug is 'fair,' promises not to hike price for at least 4 years

Biogen CEO Michel Vounatsos told CNBC on Monday that the list price of $56,000 per year for the company's FDA-approved Alzheimer's disease drug aducanumab is "fair."

Shares of Biogen surged as high as 60% on Monday after the Food and Drug Administration announced it had approved the company's drug for the disease.

Biogen Announces Plans to Build a New, State-of-the-Art Gene Therapy Manufacturing Facility in Research Triangle Park, North Carolina

Biogen Announces Plans to Build a New, State-of-the-Art Gene Therapy Manufacturing Facility in Research Triangle Park, North Carolina | Biogen

The Investor Relations website contains information about Biogen's business for stockholders, potential investors, and financial analysts.
investors.biogen.com
investors.biogen.com

Biogen Inc. today announced its plans to build a new gene therapy manufacturing facility at its Research Triangle Park (RTP) manufacturing campuses in North Carolina to support its growing gene therapy pipeline across multiple therapeutic areas.

With this new facility, Biogen is investing in robust and scalable gene therapy manufacturing with the goal of ensuring reliable supply to patients worldwide. Gene therapy is an emerging therapeutic modality that may be suitable for a growing list of genetically validated targets in neuroscience.

So this company's conference was at the epicenter of one of the first outbreaks, they conveniently develop an expensive therapy for Alzheimer's just as studies are showing that Covid can cause an acceleration of Alzheimer's? Seems so, uh, coincidental.

(tried to archive for better links, but the queue is over 2K sorry)
 
@Vic Viper T301

I had to look up exactly what Relative Risk Reduction (RRR) and Absolute Risk Reduction (ARR) are. They're standard measurements used for assessing all medical treatments in randomized controlled trials. This textbook explains it well and simply: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK63647/ (https://archive.md/pyDSk)

Their example is for a hypothetical randomized trial for a new treatment: 20% of their control group (C) got infected, whereas 12% of the group who got the treatment (T) got infected.

This makes the ARR 8%. That's 20%-12%, the difference of infections between control (C) and treated (T) group.
The RRR is 40%: the formula to get to that is 1-(T/C), so in this example 1-(12%/20%) = 1-(0.6) = 0.4 = 40%

So basically, RRR = 1-(T/C) and ARR = C-T

Rearrange that and you have C = ARR/RRR, and T = ARR/RRR - ARR

For the Covid vaccines we have the ARR and the RRR.

For example in Pfizer: RRR = 0.95, ARR = 0.0084. So you have C = 0.0084/0.95 = 0.01053, and T = 0.01053-0.0084 = 0.0021

So let's say the Pfizer study used 100'000 people in each group (control and treatment). That means that 1053 people in the non-vaccinated group got Covid, whereas 210 people got sick (breakthrough?) despite having the vaccination. So about a fifth. I wouldn't say it "really really doesn't work" but it still seems a bit suboptimal. I don't know how it compares to other traditional vaccines.

Maybe I'm completely off with my maths, correct me if I'm wrong.

The conclusion is that you need both the ARR and the RRR to get a better picture of how the trial worked, if you don't know the percentages that were infected in the two groups.

Why Reuters couldn't just post the simple calculation I just did but instead posted this inconclusive word salad as a "debunk" instead is beyond me: https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-thelancet-riskreduction-idUSL2N2NK1XA (https://archive.md/5EOw5)

You can find the initial trial paper here for yourself. It's pretty easy to read:


At the end of the study period, they looked at 18,198 participants in the vaccine (BNT16b2) group and 18,325 participants in the placebo group. All of these participants were considered to be participants without evidence of infection prior to 7 days after they received their 2nd dose. They then looked at how many in these groups had confirmed Covid-19 with onset at least 7 days after the second dose. There are 8/18,198 in the vaccine group and 162/18,325 within the placebo group.

Here's how they defined "confirmed Covid-19."

"Confirmed Covid-19 was defined according to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) criteria as the presence of at least one of the following symptoms: fever, new or increased cough, new or increased shortness of breath, chills, new or increased muscle pain, new loss of taste or smell, sore throat, diarrhea, or vomiting, combined with a respiratory specimen obtained during the symptomatic period or within 4 days before or after it that was positive for SARS-CoV-2 by nucleic acid amplification–based testing, either at the central laboratory or at a local testing facility (using a protocol-defined acceptable test)."

So, basically, the participants needed to be symptomatic AND have a confirmed positive from a lab test to be counted as a confirmed COVID case. Remember that these vaccines were designed to stimulate antibody production in the blood (IgG), not in the mucous membranes (IgA), which is likely what would be needed to actually stop viral replication and thus further spread at the point of infection (the nasal cavity). While antibodies are amplified, the idea is that these vaccines will reduce symptomatic COVID, but they don't stop infection or from turning the infected into carriers to spread it to others. There is also evidence that the symptoms that do manifest in mild cases tend to be different in the vaccinated vs. the unvaccinated.

Simply put, the trial was set up in a way that would produce the most favorable results on paper for the product they made, but even then we're dealing with tiny infection numbers in both groups 8/18,198 (99.95604% not infected) vs. 162/18,325 (99.11596% not infected). The 95% efficacy number that was then touted by authorities and the media as the holy grail and our best way to eliminate Covid-19, despite the fact that the trial never actually demonstrated that a single infection was prevented. It just showed that it had a benefit for reducing symptoms, which is exactly what it was designed to produce.
 
I'm not going to defend the behaviour of my countrymen at this point but our parliament was in fact modelled on the US congress
To believe that is to be a complete moron. We modelled our self government on the Greeks. Much to our chagrin it doesn't appear to be working out. At least we are a Republic and have some free states. As intended.

You are a penal colony tied directly to the people who put you there. You are nothing but a colony, and you act like it. I will soften that blow by saying that I respect Australians who say enough is enough.
 

Everyone but the people who run our prisons will succumb:
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Just a reminder that during the Revolutionary War, you know, that insurrection, New York was the actual warzone, it was the only useful British controlled port:
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